Mariusz Pudzianowski vs. Poland Marcin Najman

impete82Threads: 7 Posts: 33 Joined: May 7, 08 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 06:18 #1
i want to watch the fight but no sure how i can. someone watch it for me and tell us how it goes, or record it and upload somewhere :P Pudzianowski looks like one badass mofo :D

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 00:16 #2
I'll look into the options here. I saw the initial press conference. Pudzian will use his skill as a bouncer but I question his stamina. Najman is a tough dude too and will ask many questions of him. I favour Najman to take it as boxing is such an asset. He will be too nimble for Pudzian but a punch from Pudzian could be deadly.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 11, 09, 23:53 #3
the fight starts in one minute if u can't get it on tv... try: Justin TV

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 11, 09, 23:55 #4
It's on Polsat.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 11, 09, 23:57 #5
its all over

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Dec 11, 09, 23:58 #6
I think he would have questioned Fedor with that display. Fedor will want to avoid him! Brock Lesnar wouldn't have an answer to that power!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 12, 09, 00:01 #7
it happened so quickly. I hadn't even got myself seated comfortably

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 00:04 #8
Najman tapped, I didn't see it at first. Pudzian should go into the UFC. He's the same age as Fedor so that shouldn't be a major factor.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Edited by: Wroclaw Dec 12, 09, 00:16 #9
pudzian held the centre of the ring... it was those kicks that started the damage... once I saw the aggression it was obvious who was taking it seriously and going to win. got to be honest. up until the start i thought this was just a joke/sham fight. I don't know the other fighters you mention, Seanus. I don't usually watch the sport.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 00:29 #10
Brock Lesnar is reigning UFC Champion and Fedor Emelianenko is probably the best MMA athlete ever to grace a ring or cage. They are no1 and 2 in the world

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 12, 09, 00:34 #11
are there plans for pudzian to continue fighting ? i didn't pay attention to the post fight chat.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 00:38 #12
He is contracted for 4 more fights I believe. I don't know if he can handpick his opponents. He should go to the UFC and take on sb like Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin but he wouldn't get such a bout so quickly. He could beat up Crocop first.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 12, 09, 00:44 #13
Seanus: He is contracted for 4 more fights I believe. thanx. i'll keep an eye out for them. It bothers me that half of poland had an interest in the fight. there's been so much talk about it in the media... but no-one on the forum seems interested.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 00:47 #14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIsgzIJ8hk, this is the coverage for those that missed it. Pudzian needs a big name for his next fight. Many fear armbars from top MMA practitioners but he is so strong that he won't be caught. Take that out of the mix and people like Fedor would have to use other skills to beat him.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 12, 09, 00:54 #15
the video shows the only man to put pudzian on the floor.... the referee :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 00:57 #16
I saw that at the end but he looks rather sheepish and afraid when Pudzian pins him down. It's too early to comment on him but sometimes there is no answer to such lunging and brute force. Brett Rogers should get a go at Pudzian. Brett fought Fedor a month ago and held his own for a while. He is bigger than Najman too.

WulkanThreads: 1 Posts: 344 Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 09, 01:12 #17
Seanus: Brett Rogers should get a go at Pudzian o yeah! I would love to see Pudzian kicking some black ass !

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Dec 12, 09, 01:14 #18
The forums are predicting a bout against Paweł Nastula next. Nastula has a lot of MMA exp and has fought some of the best, like Nogueira and Fedor's bro. His videos are on Youtube, he's pretty good but Pudzian could steamroller him with a barrage of punches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TycEqym1ZaM&feature=related, this is an impressive win against Drago who is no slouch.

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Dec 12, 09, 21:33 #19

If Pudzian is seriosly thinking about MMA he should take it slowly and gain some experiance before taking on big names. This fight looked a little bit like a street brawl... I can't even comment on his technique as it ended so quickly.

One thing that really did surprise me is that despite his size that guy is bloody fast. I thought that Najman's advantage over Pudzian in this fight would be his speed but dear God Mariusz was light years ahead of him. Impressive.

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Dec 12, 09, 21:44 #20

Najman is a little docile, truth be told. Like Gołota, his mentor of sorts. Good point, Matyjasz. Some people are suggesting Bobb Sapp and James Thompson for him but I would guard against that. They are laughing stocks amongst the upper echelons of MMA and Sapp has the power to hurt Pudzian, Thompson the MMA prowess to catch him out. Nastula's record isn't impressive but he held his own in all of his fights so he's out the picture.

I think Pudzian needs to step in with someone of respectable stature in MMA but sb he can pound on, just to show that pounding works. Kevin Randleman would be a good bet, or Bobby Lashley. They are almost as heavy as Pudzian and he could have a proper fight with them and show his power. Arlovski might be too good for him.

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Edited by: Matyjasz Dec 12, 09, 22:20 #21

Seanus:

Najman is a little docile, truth be told. Like Gołota, his mentor of sorts.

Yeah, Gołota didn't have this inner urge to destroy the opponent. He always needed few rounds to convince himself that he can win and show his full potential. Najman was there because a lot of people recognise him from BigBrother show. His role was to get on the ring, get smashed and get KSW more popular here.

I just found an interview with Mariusz where he states that he plans to be the best HW in MMA just in 4 years but he is reluctant to fight Nastula in his next fight.

Interview with Mariusz Pudzianowski

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Edited by: frd Dec 12, 09, 23:32 #22

Can't wait to see Pudzian fighting with some mma pros. I was pretty amazed with that kicking, I would never think he's gonna go there - all the weight lifting experience is more connected to strong arms, although I heard he trained karate or something with more kicking earlier. Well done... I'm a little bit afraid if he can take defeat, like other "street brawlers" who were all muscular and bulky - like Kimbo Slice and his friend Sean Gannon who stopped fighting in mma just after first lost matches.

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Edited by: Seanus Dec 12, 09, 23:54 #23

Kimbo Slice recently beat Houston Alexander so he's right back in the frame. Houston KO'd Keith Jardine very quickly, who in turn KO'd Chuck Liddell (UFC legend). Pudzian would likely take Kimbo as Kimbo doesn't show the passion that he showed when street brawling. Pudzian would force him to wake up.

Pudzian is 4th kyu in kyokyoushin (karate) and has boxed before. I believe he would take Nastula out. Crocop, to my knowledge, hasn't signed the contract for UFC 110 so Pudzian should try his luck with him. He's a Pride legend but the life has gone out of him. Still, he has some shreds of respect amongst some.

He won't get a shot at Lesnar. Even Shane Carwin has to wait for that. Brock is recovering from an illness but he doesn't have great submission skills, only wrestling. He relies on his strength and anger, much like Pudzian. Brock only moves slightly faster due to his wrestling agility but Pudzian could get round that. Carwin and Velasquez are more rounded than Pudzian but I really believe that Mariusz could strike fear into Brock. Brock's main aces would be nullified by him and he could beat Brock on the ground through sheer girth.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Dec 13, 09, 04:54 #24

Seanus:

but I really believe that Mariusz could strike fear into Brock. Brock's main aces would be nullified by him and he could beat Brock on the ground through sheer girth.

Pudzianowski would get murdered by Lesnar - he would be giving up 2 inches in height and would have to lose about 20 kilos to meet the UFC's Heavyweight criteria. Then you throw in the fact that Lesnar is an ex NCAA Heavyweight champion in wrestling and you'd probably see Pudzianowski losing in the first round. Lesnar was working like a demon on his submission skills too - and let's be honest, could Pudzianowski really defend himself after getting taken down? I'm not convinced he would have the heart if Lesnar threw him to the ground - and running at a wrestler is just going to see you taken down hard.

Look at the way that Mir was thrown around by Lesnar in the second fight - and Mir is hardly a slouch! Someone like Pudz wouldn't know how to defend against submissions - look at the fight, his technique was like Lesnar's in the first Mir fight - all fists and no brains.

My prediction - Mariusz stays in Poland, becomes an MMA star here and is content with his lot - think Klitschko or Valuev in Germany/Switzerland ;)

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Dec 13, 09, 10:39 #25

I don't think he would get murdered at all. For a start, he matches the weight limitations for sure. He got down to 126kgs from 144. He's not even 300lbs. He would devise his own strategy and wouldn't go lunging in. Besides, I don't think Brock could hip toss him so easily. Think how much the man can bench press, he could get Brock off of him with ease. Pudzian, no heart? You don't know him then! The man is all heart and he's a natural born winner.

Mariusz is also a smart guy. People make the mistake of thinking otherwise but he knows what he is doing. As I said, he could eliminate Brock's main plusses and then what? What else does Lesnar have? Lesnar has better cardio but Mariusz is working on that.

Simply put, don't be so sure.

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Dec 13, 09, 11:45 #26

IT WAS A WORK-Najman received some extra money to take a dive.
Watch the videos of Pudzianowski's training camp- he doesn't punch, he swats. Zero hip movement and zero cardio.

Seriously guys, I know a lot of Poles want their superhero Pudzi to be the next big thing in everything but if you couldn't see how an experienced boxer failed to even throw a serious punch against Pudzianowski then you've no business commenting any further.
Notice how he thought about throwing when Pudzi rushed in but he actually had to hold himself back.

It was a work. The promoters never could have allowed him to lose. Sorry but he'll get laid out by the first fighter with half-decent hands who hasn't received "special instructions."

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Dec 13, 09, 15:45 #27

I suspected a fix too but I thought against it as Najman is pretty slow and was ripe for the pickings. Pudzian turned the screw quickly and there was no looking back.

I think the best opponent for Mariusz would be Heath Herring. Both Brock and Fedor beat him convincingly but it took time. There would be no easy finish for Pudzian this time round. Heath is big and knows the MMA game.

However, it ain't gonna happen for a while as Pudzian is gonna stay put in Poland for the next 3 fights anyway.

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Edited by: Foreigner4 Dec 13, 09, 18:34 #28

Seanus:

I suspected a fix too but I thought against it as Najman is pretty slow and was ripe for the pickings.

Didn't that strike you as odd? That a former pro boxer seemed slow against a former strongman? Did you watch Pudzi's training camp videos? Watching those should really put to rest any doubts you may have about the veracity of my statements and the confidence with which I put them forth.

Seanus:

I think the best opponent for Mariusz would be Heath Herring.

Say what you will about Heath in his showing verses O'brian and Lesnar but he'd absolutely rape Pudzianowski barring a similar "insentive" making its way over to him. Heath has been know to try dumb moves in matches or use dumb strategies on a whim (sometimes a guy has to wonder about the goofy things he's done) but should they ever fight and Heath come in as a professional then the only way for Pudz to win is via a payoff.

Seanus:

However, it ain't gonna happen for a while as Pudzian is gonna stay put in Poland for the next 3 fights anyway.

Where he will enjoy opponents who will be paid to either lose, not train or both. After those fights he'll either retire and say he's proven to himself that blah blah blah or go where similar fixes can be negotiated (Dream, K1, [can you say Sapp] or smaller production in Europe).
Anyone that reads this, and doesn't agree then by all means present any argument through a logical framework and convince me.
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this guy knows what's up:

delphiandomine:

Pudzianowski would get murdered by Lesnar - he would be giving up 2 inches in height and would have to lose about 20 kilos to meet the UFC's Heavyweight criteria.

delphiandomine:

My prediction - Mariusz stays in Poland, becomes an MMA star here and is content with his lot - think Klitschko or Valuev in Germany/Switzerland ;)

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Dec 13, 09, 18:41 #29

It did strike me as weird, yes, but Najman really is a plodder. Mariusz caught him out through a quick show of aggression. He lulled him into a false sense of security and then unleashed fury on him. The fear factor had to have played its part.

Heath can really hurt his opponents but he got overwhelmed against Fedor and Brock. I don't know how good Pudzian's chin is but Herring would test it out for sure. MMA fighters are very good at sucker punches and anyone can be caught out by them.

I agree with the last part. No fighter in Poland is really top drawer, even Nastula. There is a lot of BJJ potential here but, as of yet, there are no truly big names that wow you. Pudzian needs to decimate the competition and show more sides to his game.

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Edited by: Foreigner4 Dec 13, 09, 18:58 #30

Seanus:

He lulled him into a false sense of security and then unleashed fury on him. The fear factor had to have played its part.

Seanus, fear doesn't play a part in the mindset of a professional fighter. Maybe in their debut but not at the level of experience Najman has.

Seanus:

No fighter in Poland is really top drawer, even Nastula.

wrong wrong wrong, but the promoters here don't like letting the best fight the best, they black list some of the best talent due to "politics." But in terms of heavyweights then yes i'd agree.
As condescending as this is Seanus, I'll be blunt. Statements like the following lead me to believe you haven't really grasped what MMA is:

Seanus:

Mariusz is also a smart guy. People make the mistake of thinking otherwise but he knows what he is doing. As I said, he could eliminate Brock's main plusses and then what? What else does Lesnar have? Lesnar has better cardio but Mariusz is working on that.

You couldn't be more wrong except for that Mariusz is working on his cardio and he's smart. He's not dumb and won't risk actually losing, he knows the fix will always be in. And he'll get sponsorship money coming in. As likely it is for BJ Penn to win the world strong man, it is that likely for Pudz to win a clean match against any top flight competition.
Watch the match again, tell me how many punches Najman threw with even a smidgen of conviction. What, a former proboxer just forgot how to punch in a fight? C'mon

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