POLES DO POOR AT OLYMPIC GAMES IN VANCOUVER 2010

Michaelle	Feb 21, 10, 16:47 #1
I noticed Poland aren't doing well in Olympic Game in Vancouver, Canada. American people do have lot of skills which is very difficulties to be trained. American deal with pressures very well. Poland isn't dealing with pressure which is why you people can't control your country Poland. Sorry People of Poland. It is time for you all to wake up.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 17:53 #2
The Portuguese team isn't doing so well either. I would have thought they would own the Ice Fishing competition.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 18:55 #3
Congratulations, Polish Olympic Medalists! Skiers Adam Malysz (2 Silver) Justina Kowalczyk (1 Silver, 1 Bronze) Only 1 medal less than the Russian Federation!

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Feb 22, 10, 09:57 #4
she really "reached" for the bronze

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 11:12 #5

Michaelle:

I noticed Poland aren't doing well in Olympic Game in Vancouver, Canada. American people do have lot of skills which is very difficulties to be trained. American deal with pressures very well. Poland isn't dealing with pressure which is why you people can't control your country Poland.
Sorry People of Poland. It is time for you all to wake up.

Ha ha, quite amusing statement. It is funny to see when trool fails to start flamewar properly... Before you moron start to post try to see when in the last ten years Poland had at least one month of proper cold winter. I'll tell you, except this year there wasn't any. Second thing you should check is medal table from Vancouver. What you will notice there is, that except admirable Netherlands and maybe Korea exception, every other state with more number of medals has some huge mountain area with long periods of cold winter.

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Feb 22, 10, 11:30 #6

jwojcie:

Before you moron start to post try to see when in the last ten years Poland had at least one month of proper cold winter. I'll tell you, except this year there wasn't any.

Really? The proper winter argument can be used all over Europe. But anyway, There has been snow in Karkonosze every year for the last 5 years. Does Germany have huge mountain areas? Germans usually go to Switzerland or Austria to ski...

Maybe it's more of a question of training and support? Same reasons that Polish football is in such a miserable state.

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 13:20 #7

convex:

But anyway, There has been snow in Karkonosze every year for the last 5 years

Yeap, every year for few weeks, then few days of thaw, and then again couple of days of proper winter. I live in Wroclaw, I know how it looks like. I have skis ready for fun in November, and I can assure you that this winter is exceptional in last years. Last wasn't all bad, but not nearly as good. Two years or three years ago there was almost no snow. With such changable wheater there is no incentive to invest in winter infrastructure.

As for Germany, there is plenty of mountains above 2000 in southern Germany and as you said Alps are close, I've done that to when I was pissed enough with lack of snow in Poland ;-) With exception of Tatras, which are practically closed for skiing (I support that by the way) there is no mountains in Poland above 1800. Look at UK, great country, no fine mountains, only one medal...

Anyway, personally I don't care about Olimpics both in winter and in summer, I think it lost "sport spirit" long time ago and don't watch it anymore (but it is hard to hide from it in modern media directed world). Anyway, it is monday and I was just pissed of in the morning, the guy who started this thread was perfect victim... Now I can peacefully say, yes we suck in winter sports...

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Feb 22, 10, 14:27 #8

jwojcie:

Before you moron start to post try to see when in the last ten years Poland had at least one month of proper cold winter.

Whats that got to do with it? Surely these people train in other countries or there are facilities where they can train? Poor excuse...

Anyway, Poland are doing just fine..carry on the good work!

convex:

Maybe it's more of a question of training and support? Same reasons that Polish football is in such a miserable state.

Bingo...

Personally I couldnt give a flying fook about Poland, Im just chuffed we got a gold..first in 30 years!! :D - btw way england doesnt have a full track for this, she trained hard and made use of what she had...just shows you really doesnt it? Also note I dont make excuses for us not getting medals in other bits of the games...We're just crap :D Bring on the sailing at the next olympics!

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Feb 22, 10, 14:36 #9

overall those are pretty compelling arguments but what about x-country skiing? are large mountain areas needed for that? I suppose it isn't as fun as downhill but i don't know if that's the only reason it's not a strong sport for Polish athletes
Korea and Netherlands? Aren't they primarily strong in the speed skating events?

Why are the tatras so unskiable (avalanches) in Poland but not in Slovakia (maybe it is and I just don't know about it)?

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 15:45 #10

Foreigner4:

Why are the tatras so unskiable (avalanches) in Poland but not in Slovakia (maybe it is and I just don't know about it)?

Because Poland has 1/5 of Tatry mountains, Slovakia has 4/5 of it. In short it is very small area and the only one of this kind in Poland. So the choice is destroy it for skiing or preserve it as a National Park. Poland choosen the second option and personally I support it.

Amathyst:

Surely these people train in other countries or there are facilities where they can train?

Yeap, generally speaking there is possible to obtain good sport results by two methods or both combined:
1. massive participation of population in some sport
2. state organized and financed teams

As far as winter sports are concerned because of unpredictable weather and poor winter sport infrastructure first option is out of qustion for Poland.
Second option is possible, but what is the point? I'm against it. The main point of sport from national budget point of view is in my opinion mass participation of society in it. I see no reason for wasting my tax money for someones vacation on Austrian ski slopes. I prefer instead use it for my own vacation. I certainly will not get a golden medal for my skiing abilities but at least I'll have much more fun than watching others people skiing..

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 22, 10, 15:54 #11
Honestly, that sounds like losers talk, sour grapes and all that.... Poles get all nuts about Malisz, but how many do actually ski jump in their past time???

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Feb 22, 10, 16:03 #12

jwojcie:

The main point of sport from national budget point of view is in my opinion mass participation of society in it. I see no reason for wasting my tax money for someones vacation on Austrian ski slopes.

Oh I agree with you 100% on this. I wish more people would come around to this approach.

Interesting though is how well Norway performs in the winter Olympics, I'm aware of their weather and environment but still, with such a small population they are the lb. for lb. winter olympic champs. I wonder if it's a question of 1 or 2 or both.

Regarding the "function" of the Tatras in Poland, thanks for the quick breakdown (very well put) I think I agree with the decision somebody made in Poland, but it seems so sensible that i can't believe it was made by politicians.

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 16:04 #13

Bratwurst Boy:

Honestly, that sounds like losers talk, sour grapes and all that....

Nah, I just don't like modern Olimpics and professional sport... It kills the idea, I prefer to do not to watch, all this milions of couch potatoes cheering because some undernourished guy was lucky and wind didn't blow him the other way is just funny anomaly of modern civilization to me..
Or maybe I just have a bad day... :-)

Foreigner4:

Regarding the "function" of the Tatras in Poland, thanks for the quick breakdown (very well put) I think I agree with the decision somebody made in Poland, but it seems so sensible that i can't believe it was made by politicians.

Tatra National Park exists since 1954. Every year ski lobby tries to trim it one way or another, but fortunately "National Park" status is very hard to walk around from legal point of view regardles of political environment.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 22, 10, 16:11 #14

jwojcie:

It kills the idea,

On the other hand the youth needs idols and rolemodels to get interested into sports.
And sport idols are not the worst a youth can have IMHO!

Whenever a German wins something the people and the media develop interest and the number of new subscribers into sport clubs grows rapidly. And that goes for all countries!
Sometimes it needs only one successfull idol to start a wave which spawns a row of successfull athlets during the coming years ...

jwojcie:

all this milions couch potatoes cheering because some undernourished guy was lucky

Then you should try to banish ALL sports in the media! ;)
Because competitions are the ultimate goal for training so hard.
Then to be chosen to represent your country in international tournaments and ultimately the Olympics is the absolute crown for all this yearlong hard work.

The athlete needs and wants all that cheering from those couch potatoes..it's his reward for all this hard work (even if it isn't enough to win a medal).

jwojcie:

Or maybe I just have a bad day... :-)

O god I hope so! :):):)

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 16:28 #15

Bratwurst Boy:

On the other hand the youth needs idols and rolemodels to get interested into sports.

With that I agree, but only to the point when choosen sport is not some kind of activity which because of objective reasons like climate or expensive infra for example aren't possible to go in for masses. This is the case of ski jumping for example, milions watching and only a few doing it (but I must add that if I'm not mistaken Ski Jumpers thanks to Malysz earned their money themselves, so it is not my bussiness what they are doing for fun).
Besides get real, regardless of all this propaganda from various sport associations most of sports is unhealty. As a committed sport activist I've learn it hard way. At begining I was fooling myself that I do it for health. But no more. The only reason I jeopardize myself with some sport is because adrenalin is one of the best drug ever made...
[woow, I've just learned that adrenalin was discovered by some Pole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Cybulski
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Cybulski]

Bratwurst Boy:

Then you should try to banish ALL sports in the media! ;)

Oh, I can only abolish something to myself, what I successfully do :-) Unfortunatelly I like news in radio so sometimes I cann't escape from knowing all this useless info :-)

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 22, 10, 16:42 #16

jwojcie:

Besides get real, regardless of all this propaganda from various sport associations most of sports is unhealty.

Doing nothing and going only fat is even more unhealthy....We are the first generation in the fat western world who dies earlier and sicker than our ancestors!

It needs one idol to get thousands interested in sports, only a handful of them will become full time professionals but all (especially the amateurs) will more or less profit from the experience in the long run!

If for example one Olympic finale where billions of people watch on their TV's make the also watching kiddies to leave their playstations for a moment and maybe get interested in trying out the nearest sports club then the reason for the Olympics is fullfilled if you ask me....also justifying the media coverage.

jwojcie:

[woow, I've just learned that adrenalin was discovered by some Pole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Cybulski

Hmmm....you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline

Japanese chemist Jokichi Takamine and his assistant Keizo Uenaka independently discovered adrenaline in 1900.[4][5]
In 1901 Takamine successfully isolated and purified the hormone from the adrenal glands of sheep and oxen.[6]
Adrenaline was first synthesized by Friedrich Stolz and Henry Drysdale Dakin, independently, in 1904.[5]

matteroftaste	Feb 22, 10, 16:46 #17
joepilsudski: Only 1 medal less than the Russian Federation! yep, comparing to the Russians, you guys are really doing great indeed.

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Feb 22, 10, 16:50 #18

Amathyst:

Personally I couldnt give a flying fook about Poland, Im just chuffed we got a gold..first in 30 years!!

Rhona Martin one Gold at salt lake city in 2002, in curling.

Amathyst:

Also note I dont make excuses for us not getting medals in other bits of the games...We're just crap :D Bring on the sailing at the next olympics!

that statement says it all, Britain is an island and we excell at sailing GB doesnt have a mountain range to speak of or facilities, result - poor winter olympic games. We were fourth behind China, Russia and USA at the last summer games.

I used to play lots of ice hockey up untill the gae of 14, i travelled all around the country playing other teams, it was my life. Then they sold the local ice rink and it became apartment blocks. Game Over.

convex:

There has been snow in Karkonosze every year for the last 5 years.

Technically yes but crap conditions with hardly any snow, boarding on ice is horrible and the mountains arent big enough to train for the big events.

Look at ski jumping Poland excells in that sport, many rising stars, they have two jumps in Zakopane and one in Karpacz. Malsyz has planted seeds in all children all over Poland.

The infrastructure, support, money and coaching is unfortunately just not there for most sports in Poland.

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Feb 22, 10, 16:54 #19

Bratwurst Boy:

Doing nothing and going only fat is even more unhealthy....We are the first generation in the fat western world who dies earlier and sicker than our ancestors!

I'm not talking about doing nothing. Let for example compare two popular sports swiming and football. Swiming is a nice sport for amateurs, basically the only danger is drowning ;-) On the other hand football is sport with high percentage of injures. And it is not only about broken limbs but what is even worse, problems with joints and especially knees. I love that game, I play often, but I know many guys who are just before or after serious knee surgery.

To sum it up, if state must advertise some sport, then it should be only those kinds of it which don't undermine it future tax base by to high percentage of injures :-)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 22, 10, 16:58 #20
jwojcie: To sum it up, if state must advertise some sport, then it should be only those kinds of it which don't undermine it future tax base by to high percentage of injures :-) Well, sport always was and ever will be a matter of taste....hence the diversity. Or as the Germans say: "Was uns nicht umbringt macht uns härter" :)

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 17:00 #21

Bratwurst Boy:

Hmmm....you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline

Higher level question :-) My wiki says that Cybulski was "The discoverer of adrenaline, he was the first to isolate and identify the substance in 1895" and Jokichi Takamine "In 1901 isolated and purified the hormone adrenaline" what also could mean as other source says that Takamine was the first one who got pure adrenaline in "crystalic form"...

Well we need microbiologist to explain the difference more deeply ;-)

matteroftaste	Feb 22, 10, 17:01 #22
Not doing any sport is definately worse than doing something.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 22, 10, 17:03 #23
jwojcie: Well we need microbiologist to explain the difference more deeply ;-) How about we slug it out? We would doing something sporty fitting to the Olympics at least...:):):)

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Feb 22, 10, 17:07 #24
I don't think Poland was ever that much into Winter sports. But we crush the rest of world in polka dance ;-)

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 17:09 #25

Bratwurst Boy:

How about we slug it out? We would doing something sporty fitting to the Olympics at least...:):):)

Ok, you can choose the weapon ;-)

Oh, I found something interesting, I think it went like this:

- 1895 - Pole, Napoleon Cybulski get some dead body and extract adrenaline from that
- 1901 - Japanese Jokichi Takamine makes crystal form of adrenaline which probably enables to see molecule structure by using X-rays
- 1904 - (Bratwurst Boy, you will be in heaven...) German, Friedrich Stolz chemically synthetizes adrenalin

Now, Bratwurst Boy, tell me, why weren't Poland invited into Axis?... ;-)
Hm, probably the answer is: because Poles do poor in winter sports :-) :-) :-)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 22, 10, 17:30 #26
jwojcie: - 1895 - Pole, Napoleon Cybulski get some dead body and extract adrenaline from that Astounding! I would had thought adrenalin is for the living....to avoid dying... jwojcie: Now, Bratwurst Boy, tell me, why weren't Poland invited into Axis?... ;-) Hm, probably the answer is: because Poles do poor in winter sports :-) :-) :-) Ha! Last I heard you were to snobby! ;)

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♀	Feb 22, 10, 17:32 #27
Gee why I am not suprised.

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: jwojcie Feb 22, 10, 17:37 #28
Bratwurst Boy: I would had thought adrenalin is for the living....to avoid dying... Typical mistake made by over 50' years old people dying from heart attack during marathon...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 08:06 #29
They are popular here but Poland has a tendency to hold onto past glories. Małysz is yesterday's news. There are many better ski-jumpers than him. Americans are almost always up for the big occasion. They demolish the opposition. America and demolition go hand-in-hand ;) ;)

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Feb 23, 10, 10:17 #30

I have to make a confession...

When I was riding my bicycle yesterday evening (in a totally flat area, with the entire snow changed into small lakes (paddles) in the middle of one of the harshest winters in the recent years... [cutting remark toward those who argue that Poland is such a great place to go for winter sports.. ;-) ]) I had a revelation.

I found contradiction in my thinking. In order to remove it, I need to revoke some of my previous argumentation almost entirely. You see, I have converted and I can clearly state that professional sport and television are ultimate good! From now on I think that visions of artists such as Woody Allen in ‘Sleeper’, where people switch entirely to virtual sex, or some others, where some convicts fight brutal tournaments on some deserted planets, which is transmitted into the entire galaxy, that those visions are neither fantasy nor obscene. I think that those visions are a realistic prophecy. If my conviction is built on the central idea that sport is about adrenaline and basic emotions not about health, then TV is not an obstacle but a solution! Why? Because TV has the ability to evoke almost the same emotions in people’s minds so it literally enables them to "have a cake and eat it" ;-)
So, I think that States should donate huge amount of money for some very expensive sports like:
- bungee jumping on the Moon
- walking a tightrope between two planes
- sledging in the narrow gutter 140 km/h (err.. we already have that, don't we?)
Governments should choose the best of the best and allow every one of them to use every possible doping one can imagine. Of course tournaments should be made and transmitted globally. Thanks to that most of the population would get emotions without real participation and injures (because bungee jumping on the Moon won't be obtainable for everybody)...

So, please forgive me my previous statements, I'm a sinner. I'm going to buy a big TV, popcorn, crisps and beer, have a good seat and curse our Polish sportsmen for acting so badly ;-)

Amen

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