Polish Bjj practitioners= high level players.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 10, 11, 20:37 #31
Not hold down, no. I can only say osaekomi and toketa. I'd be more likely to push the arm away and then wind them by hitting them in the spot near the sternum. Kicks can keep them at a distance but it's all about pushing that arm away first. What are the plusses of BJJ for you?

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Edited by: Foreigner4 Aug 10, 11, 21:00 #32

Y'know I've never given it much though but here goes

Personally, the benefits are:
1) It keeps me calm.
When I was a kid it was tkd, then it was kung fu, then it was boxing, then bjj then varsity wrestling then I was a trainer. Then I moved to Poland and Sławek was just starting Bastion so now the only way I can not do it is if I am doing something else very physically demanding. I think it keeps me calm because of points 2 and 3.
2)I'm friends with these guys, y'know. I look forward to rolling and technique sessions with these guys.
3) Creativity, there's a strange zen-like state you can enter sometimes, almost like with a runner's high.
4) Comfort/Confidence- it's not the be all and end all of self defence but combining it with other things I've done it just makes me more comfortable in some situations than I otherwise might be.
5) Fitness- I don't lift weights of any sort very often these days and the more i am at the club training, the less I feel the need to.

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Aug 10, 11, 21:20 #33

Keeps you calm? It's a good release, I imagine. It's almost paradoxical, much in the same way as I hear some black metal fans claiming it makes them calm but different things work differently for different people. I know what you mean!

I enjoyed those sessions too. I was often thrown around as I was only 11 when I started judo. The roles would very much be reversed now :)

I know that rush that you speak of. It can really transform you into a calm state.

It's a security valve, of sorts. Instincts kick in more readily and that could really help you out in the future.

It's an effective substitute as you work your muscles in a different way. There's more of a rounded workout.

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Aug 10, 11, 21:40 #34

Yeah, those are reasons why I think more people should take to it (that includes you).
What I mean is, a lot of people have misconceptions about what their bodies are capable of. Some think they're indestructible and others think they're made of sugar. It's good to know that your body can suffer quite a bit of abuse and keep ticking while at the same time it's good to have realistic notions about what to do and not to bother with in other scenarios.

I find sparring sessions really create a bonding experience, you learn to dish out only what you expect to take or in some cases how to teach others that same principal. Some days you get sh*t kicked and other days you see that happening to someone else, everyone in the room understands the other person in those times and that's another positive. In a weird way, it can make people more empathetic. You can know exactly what it's like to be in another person's position in a certain point in time- that is a rarity in this life.

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Aug 10, 11, 21:49 #35

Yeah, the common/shared aspect of it appeals a lot. One of my students is big on karate and he has taught me a few things there. Karate sometimes gets a bad rap within the MMA fraternity but it has a solid background and shouldn't be knocked.

Alcohol can really damage your body so BJJ is fine :) :) It hurts you in a different way but at least you are sober then and can deal with it :) I really take your point about identifying with others. Poles can do this but sometimes they seem to really lack a common empathy.

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Aug 10, 11, 22:06 #36

Oh you're right.
I think it earned that through greedy owners who pandered to pansies. The contact aspect of it was lost as instructor/owners tried to appeal to everyone who wanted to be "tough" without getting hurt- hence 12 year old black belts. Offering real full contact karate would have been a lot more painful, realistic and less profitable. Grappling arts are imo the safest to practice while going 100% for the finish. Machida has reminded a lot of people what karate is about, perhaps some even knew (Andy Hug rip) but had forgotten.

Good point on the empathy (or lack there of) at times here:/

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 10, 11, 22:10 #37
Lyoto Machida is a great competitor. He was 16-0 and is now 17-2. Cracker of a finish against 'The Natural'. Andy Hug, now there was a fighter RIP. He outclassed Crocop in a classic bout! He knew what it was all about. The lack of empathy is a more cutting form than the 'I'm alright Jack' form we might be accustomed to.

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