THE POLITICS OF THE WORLD CUP. DOES IT EXIST?

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Jul 11, 10, 06:17 #1

I had an interesting conversation today with a Greek guy about the Germany vs Spain and Germany vs Argentina games. He believes Germany threw the Spain game because they were totally playing a different style- the "I'm half asleep" style of soccer. They were letting themselves get molested. He pointed out that the German chancellor was present for the Argentina game where Germany excelled and kicked a'ss. During the Spain game which was in some way more significant, the German chancellor was not present. Did she know something we don't? Was Germany ordered to throw the game? The Greek guy thinks Spain is "supposed" to win this cup (or maybe even Holland) because these will be first time winners and Fifa wants to promote soccer in these regions. This win would also help Spains economy somehow.

Also, in the Germany vs Uruguay game Miro Klose did not play. He was one score away from tying the Brazilian Ronaldo in WC points and two from beating him. Do you think Fifa did not let him play this game knowing he could break the record of Ronaldo? Do you think Brazil is so fragile/sensitive that a Brazilian player needs to hold this record? Or do you think Germany does not want a Polish player at the top of the scoring list?? It would be difficult to break. This will be Kloses last WC.
Podolski also did not play. In the Uruguay game he could have easily scored a goal or two, raising his WC point tally. He has one WC left in him- maybe two.
Discuss.

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jul 11, 10, 06:19 #2
So the WC is like Miss Universe and Miss world? It would suck if there were politicians pulling strings behind it all.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂	Jul 11, 10, 06:38 #3
There's a book called Soccernomics by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski. amazon.ca/Soccernomics-Australia-Turkey-Iraq-Are-Destined/dp/156858425 3

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 11, 10, 08:53 #4

rychlik:

They were letting themselves get molested.

Do you think we are masochists???

And I don't think FIFA needs to promote football in Holland and Spain...both are already football crazy as every other country in Europe and elsewhere...
And when you think selling more alcohol and flags for 4 weeks is helping an economy in the long rund then I think you are wrong again.

PS: Klose had a bad back, if he could have played he would have...half of the team had a fever from the influentia as it is winter in SA, believe it or not!

You like your conspiracy theories, do you! ;)
I have one for you: Never has the country which won the European Song Contest (Germany this time) also the Football World Cup! How come??? Ponder that!!!

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 11, 10, 09:26 #5
Bratwurst Boy: football crazy as every other country in Europe and elsewhere... not USA or Canada. :(

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jul 11, 10, 09:37 #6
plk123: not USA or Canada. :( Well...give it time...football is on the up in the US too :) Most children play soccer already than american football or other "american" sports!

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Jul 11, 10, 09:47 #7

Bratwurst Boy:

Well...give it time...football is on the up in the US too :)
Most children play soccer already than american football or other "american" sports!

that has been the case for at least 30 years and still no good results, if you will.. the only way soccer will ever become very popular here is if more lations move to the usa which i think they may be the majority in another 40y or so. lol.. as for canada, hockey is king and i don't see that ever changing.

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: FUZZYWICKETS Jul 11, 10, 09:53 #8
rychlik wrote: Also, in the Germany vs Uruguay game Miro Klose did not play. if i'm not mistaken, he couldn't play. he was red carded the game before.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 11, 10, 09:54 #9
plk123: and still no good results, No good results??? The US made to the last 16 the second time in a row and got out rather unlucky again. Better performance than many traditional football powerhouses... But Canada = Ice hockey, that is right! :)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Jul 11, 10, 09:57 #10
that's not what i ment.. no good results as in high popularity of soccer in the US. Bratwurst Boy: and got out rather unlucky again. and i don't agree.. the squad was atrocious.. may have been some of the worst soccer i have ever seen.. i commented on it after they lost to ghana, in the WC thread.. USA sucked bad..

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 11, 10, 09:58 #11

plk123:

that's not what i ment.. no good results as in high popularity of soccer in the US.

Well, if a whole generation now grows up rather with soccer than with american football I say: "Give it time!" :)

And it's also only a question of time till the US team will make it to the last 8 and then the last 4 in championships....the popularity comes with success. Amis like to cheer winners and waving their flag as everybody else! :)

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Jul 11, 10, 10:03 #12

Bratwurst Boy:

Well, if a whole generation now grows up rather with soccer than with american football I say: "Give it time!" :)

i doubt it.. like i said.. a lot of young folk have been playing soccer here and still nothing in the last 30 years of soccer being rather popular for the young ages

Bratwurst Boy:

And it's also only a question of time till the US team makes it to the last 8 and then the last 4....the popularity comes with success. Amis like to cheer winners as everybody else! :)

that may be somewhat true.. after US hosted the cup and actually made far in the tournament, the league was finally created (it was part of the deal that US would host WC) and the popularity grew but it's stalled since.. i think anyway.. americans still love pigskin and baseball.. and basketball more then soccer.. most of people don't get the game here..

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Jul 12, 10, 07:21 #13

Bratwurst Boy:

PS: Klose had a bad back, if he could have played he would have...half of the team had a fever from the influentia as it is winter in SA, believe it or not!

I know all this but I don't buy it. Spain's Torres was not fit this WC but he played almost in all of the games. Torres looked like he was always battling a cold :) If Loew wanted to play Klose he would have. One more goal and he would tie Ronaldo. Two and he breaks his record. He could've played him in the last half. I think the Germans did not want a Polish born player named MIROSLAV being their all time best WC scorer. I seriously think it was politics. Germans want one of their "own" breaking the record. It might be Mueller in the next couple of WC's if he keeps up his scoring streak. He's off to hel'l of a start.
Podolski was supposed to have the "flue". He ran out onto the field after the Uruguay win and trust me he did not look sick.
And I still think Germany threw the game against Spain so Spain could get to the final. It's all politics baby. The Krauts werer playing like they were half asleep in that game. Looked fishy to me.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 07:48 #14
rychlik: THE POLITICS OF THE WORLD CUP. DOES IT EXIST? Yes it does. Ask Howard Webb. >^..^< M-G (that guy should be forbidden to whistle any important game anymore. A disgrace)

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Jul 12, 10, 08:24 #15

rychlik:

The Greek guy thinks Spain is "supposed" to win this cup (or maybe even Holland) because these will be first time winners and Fifa wants to promote soccer in these regions. This win would also help Spains economy somehow.

It was obvious that Howard Webb got instructions. It was very clear from the start who was going to win this tournament, looking at it in hindsight. If you look at how Spain struggled and always in the nick of time got the referees on their side with bad mistakes, which culminated in the final where it was so obvious that Spain had to win, then the Greek guy was right.

>^..^<

M-G (thank you very much, mr Webb!)

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Edited by: convex Jul 12, 10, 10:03 #16

MareGaea:

If you look at how Spain struggled and always in the nick of time got the referees on their side with bad mistakes, which culminated in the final where it was so obvious that Spain had to win, then the Greek guy was right.

Well, that and Spain just plain played better. Same goes for the game against Germany, their passing game is still the best in the business and they apply pressure throughout the game until that whistle screams... Seems like Holland had already resigned themselves to penalties.

rychlik:

I think the Germans did not want a Polish born player named MIROSLAV being their all time best WC scorer. I seriously think it was politics. Germans want one of their "own" breaking the record.

Miroslav is one of our own :)

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 12, 10, 10:33 #17

rychlik:

If Loew wanted to play Klose he would have.

Not with a jammed sciatica nerve!

MIROSLAV Klose and Poldi had a bad season in their clubs but Löw kept faith in them and invited them to play for the Mannschaft in the WC (against the opinions of alot of doubters and critics at home).

Both paid him back with goals...so why should now "Germany", this mysterious entity, not want for Miro to break the record also???
Of course you won't believe it but we all wished he could have, he had deserved it.
But as Klose himself said, the cup was much more important than the top scorer, he didn't care for that record at all.

rychlik:

Looked fishy to me.

Well, you are a crazy guy who knows nothing about football and prefers conspiracy theories to knowledge, so no wonder....

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