The professional level of tennis in Poland not as good as in the other Slavic countries?

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Oct 30, 11, 20:04 #1

I would like to say Slavic countries tennis realy good,Russia,Belarus,Slovakia,Serbia,Czech Republic. but I never heard Poland has success in tennis maybe 25 years ago a couple degree in Olympic,but last ten years notting. Just heard about Caroline Wozniacki but she is Danish ,just parents polish. Maybe I dont know correct about tennis in Poland. İf Im wrong please give me correct information,and where is the best tennis course or school in Poland, best teachers and how old must to start and price? Thank you.

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Oct 30, 11, 20:23 #2

calcedonia:

Caroline Wozniacki but she is Danish ,just parents polish

Danish according to place of birth, but Polish due to parents :o)

This is like myself .... in that I was born in England, but both parents are Polish; even though I have lived all my life in England I feel more Polish :o)

You're correct that Poland has not produced many top ranking tennis players - in the past I can only remember Wojtek Fibak who had some success with Tom Okker in the doubles at Wimbledon and other major tournamnents. Recently Radwanska is the only Polish player I can think of who is ranked quite high.

Out of the Slavs who have made the top grade, I wonder how many were actually trained in US and how many in their native country; if you look at Andy Murray, the only Brit who's in the top four , I believe he went to US to betrained because the coaching here in UK was not up to standard.

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Edited by: rock Oct 30, 11, 21:10 #3

The best 8 women tennis player in world ranking attend to the WTA Championship İstanbul. Today there was the final match. 14.000 audiences watched it. Czech Kvitova beat Belarus Azarenko 2-1 and win the tournament.

Other than Wozniacki ( she lost in semi-final) there was another Polish Agnieszka Radwanska. She is number 8 in world tennis now. I watched her first match and then became fan of her. She could not pass the group stage but her performance was very good and she is very nice looking.

Poles are really successful in tennis.

I hope Radwanska climbs to the top in 2-3 years.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 30, 11, 21:18 #4
rock: Poles are really successful in tennis. rock: Agnieszka Radwanska. She is number 8 in world tennis now. Samantha Stosur is ranked 7th and she is also of Polish ancestry. Thus three of the top eight women's tennis players are of Polish stock.

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,496 Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂	Oct 30, 11, 21:23 #5
Wow, I do not know that. Stosur is also perfect. It is not easy to realize. Congrats Poland.

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Oct 30, 11, 23:25 #6

Des Essientes:

Samantha Stosur is ranked 7th and she is also of Polish ancestry. Thus three of the top eight women's tennis players are of Polish stock.

We've had this discussion before: Stosur is more Australian (she's a citizen and so are both her parents) and British (her mother is British and so are both her mother's parents) and American (father is a US citizen) than she is Polish. But for some reason both British and American people are happy to accept her as Australian and do not try to claim her for the UK or USA (even though she actually has US citizenship).

I wonder if Polonia would be so loud about one of her grandparents if she was, say for example, the war criminal who had overseen the destruction of Warsaw and had a Polish mother (cf the son of Elzbieta Ewelina Szymanska).

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Oct 30, 11, 23:35 #7

PWEI:

try to claim her

No one is "claiming" her. I merely pointed out her Polish ancestry.

PWEI:

I wonder if Polonia would be so loud about one of her grandparents if she was, say for example, the war criminal who had overseen the destruction of Warsaw and had a Polish mother (cf the son of Elzbieta Ewelina Szymanska).

What the hell does the destruction of Warsaw in WW2 have to do with tennis in Poland?

PWEI:

I wonder if Polonia would be so loud

Polonia is being loud? You, PWEI, have no right to complain about volume. You troll this forum with off-topic posts constantly. You are one of the "loudest" people here.

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Oct 30, 11, 23:48 #8

Des Essientes:

No one is "claiming" her. I merely pointed out her Polish ancestry.

But you somehow managed to overlook the fact that she is more than twice as British as she is Polish. I wonder when Brits will start to boast about how the world number 7 is of British descent. Oh yes, never.

Des Essientes:

What the hell does the destruction of Warsaw in WW2 have to do with tennis in Poland?

If you want to draw a woman with a single Polish grandparent into a conversation about tennis in Poland, expect other people to point out the absurdity that if having a Polish grandparent makes a person Polish, a Pole destroyed Warsaw in 1944. Sam Stosur is less Polish that the scum who destroyed my city, and good luck calling him Polish to any real Poles.

Des Essientes:

You troll

Good to see that you're getting the hang of that 'posting without insulting people' thing.

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Edited by: rock Oct 31, 11, 00:24 #9

Well, sometimes citizenship sometimes ethnicity works. I think the most important things are 1- language spoken 2-What he/she thinks he/she is?

As far as I see although Wozniacki was representing Denmark, she was speaking Polish with his coach. I call her Polish.

I do not know if Stosur can speak Polish or when somebody ask her etnicity she replies as I am % ... polish and % .... british. If she replies as I am Australian then she is Australian. Asssimilation completed :)

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Edited by: Moderator Oct 31, 11, 00:29 #10

rock:

Well, sometimes citizenship sometimes ethnicity works.

In non ambiguous situations where both parents are immigrants with the same ethnical background it is found at least in US that ethnicity still works until 3rd generation. Then citizenship based identity becomes more important. Seeing that it is a process that demands systematic education of almost 3 generations to be altered to non ethnical based identity says something about strength of its roots.

Please get back to the topic: Tennis in Poland.

stop the earth i want to get off

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Oct 31, 11, 00:39 #11

calcedonia:

Just heard about Caroline Wozniacki but she is Danish ,just parents polish

she is the no 1 in female tennis, but there is also radwanska and in the male section they have kubot. all in total they are not bad positioned in wta resp atp.

regarding the other issue, citizenship ethnical background imo the citizenship nowadays that almost every prof athelete is able to select by offer from the market.

djokovic got long time ago to take f.e. english citizenship to play for their daviscup team. offer and demand is regulating the price for the passport.

ethnical background is sth not chooseable. wozniacki can say she is danish(passport) but will always be polish, since parents both are polish.

btw, how's she doing now? any title?

calcedoniaThreads: 11 Posts: 126 Joined: Sep 20, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 31, 11, 00:44 #12
Why this forum all topics starts with diffrent tema,like food,sport,travel but all the time end with Ethnicity?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 31, 11, 00:49 #13
calcedonia: Why this forum all topics starts with diffrent tema,like food,sport,travel but all the time end with Ethnicity? don't worry about it. there is a 'red warning' in the thread, which means it is being watched. all the off topic posts will be binned.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 31, 11, 01:12 #14
this is your last warning. the next person to go off topic gets one week off. it might be an idea to read the op before posting.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 31, 11, 01:19 #15
calcedonia: where is the best tennis course or school in Poland, best teachers and how old must to start and price? I hear good things about the Gdansk training centre.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Oct 31, 11, 01:29 #16

calcedonia:

İf Im wrong please give me correct information,and where is the best tennis course or school in Poland, best teachers and how old must to start and price? Thank you.

Truth be it, tennis in Poland is a sport mainly for people with too much money. It's not at a high level, and don't let the presence of a Dane and an Australian with Polish names deceive you - they didn't train in Poland and they certainly didn't get good because of some random Polish relative. Even Radwanska got most of her training outside of Poland. And certainly don't let the rantings of some Americans fool you - a Polish name doesn't make you Polish.

If you want to become good in tennis, then you need to head to America. There's a reason why Andy Murray has done so well and why other Brits haven't.

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Oct 31, 11, 01:41 #17

delphiandomine:

If you want to become good in tennis, then you need to head to America.

ok, thats why f.e. in male tennis there is hardly one i top ten. hahahha

delphiandomine:

It's not at a high level, and don't let the presence of a Dane and an Australian with Polish names deceive you - they didn't train in Poland and they certainly didn't get good because of some random Polish relative.

'talent' and lots lots of hard work. some call it training. ;)

delphiandomine:

Radwanska got most of her training outside of Poland.

universial fact. all pros travel outside their country for training. your argument doesnt proove anything.

delphiandomine:

There's a reason why Andy Murray has done so well and why other Brits haven't.

brits dont travel to us? what kind of bs is that?

delphiandomine:

a Polish name doesn't make you Polish.

no? what then? nowitzki f.e. has for sure polish ancestors. he has german passport. ethnicity is for sure partially polish.

delphiandomine:

Truth be it, tennis in Poland is a sport mainly for people with too much money

classic prejudice. tennis is affordable for almost everyone, also in pl.

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Oct 31, 11, 01:44 #18

sascha:

ok, thats why f.e. in male tennis there is hardly one i top ten. hahahha

And yet most of them trained there.

sascha:

'talent' and lots lots of hard work. some call it training. ;)

Most of which wasn't in Poland.

sascha:

universial fact. all pros travel outside their country for training. your argument doesnt proove anything.

It proves that Poland doesn't have high level training facilities.

sascha:

brits dont travel to us? what kind of bs is that?

Read about the LTA's issues with training, and you might understand. Or even, just look at the rankings.

sascha:

classic prejudice. tennis is affordable for almost everyone, also in pl.

Hahahaha. Affordable? The cheapest court hire I know is 60zl an hour - hardly "affordable".

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Oct 31, 11, 01:51 #19

delphiandomine:

And yet most of them trained there.

bad players and coaches.

delphiandomine:

Most of which wasn't in Poland.

as i said. in pro sports common thing. did you do sports ever? professionally of half pro? any experience?

delphiandomine:

It proves that Poland doesn't have high level training facilities.

im sure it has, but pros have their demands and if not fullfilled they go also elsewhere. common in pro sports. not a local phenomen.

delphiandomine:

just look at the rankings

british/scottish tennis is murray and vice versa.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 31, 11, 10:11 #20
sascha: british/scottish tennis is murray and vice versa. I could name a top ten ranked tennis player who is half British but doing that would be off-topic: this thread is for discussion about tennis in Poland.

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,862 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Oct 31, 11, 15:18 #21
PWEI: I could name a top ten ranked tennis player who is half British but doing that would be off-topic: this thread is for discussion about tennis in Poland. feel free. i opened a thread about ethnicity and sports in off topic. im curious about the list.

californian	Apr 1, 12, 14:26 #22
PWEI, Don't shout, read more (if it's bearable to you). For example: SAMANTHA STOSUR: Well, my grandfather is Polish, and it's a Polish name. Not really any funny stories. But I don't know, for some reason, a lot of Australian tennis players have come from a Polish background. more here: tennis-x.com/story/2010-06-04/k.php Samantha Stosur Interview - French Open

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