Tusk targets hooligans after Cup final riot

widespread in South America, all over Africa and the Middle East

really? I didn't know that.

You're not alone.....there are a lot of people in this thread making comment that know very little about the subject.

For Example: Alex68 ....... There never was a compulsory ID Card scheme in the UK. It never got beyond proposal stage. Nor were there/is there a compulsory Season ticket.

Draconian leglislation and extremely heavy sentences were instrumental in subduing the problem. It will never be completely eradicated though.
Why do/did we do it?

The thrill of the chase, the hunt, the joust, the test of strength, the camaraderie, the sense of belonging.

There are people from all walks of life get involved. Some from priviliged backgrounds.....the majority like me....council estate, broken family....drunken abusive parents. The kind of family where violence is the norm and weakness should never manifest itself. Many of us didn't have the archetypal 2.4 family with mum and dad taking it turns to ferry us to the sports centre.

Social, economic factors play thier part. So whilst you are all sat in your ivory towers, shining your halo's and passing judgement there is a lot more to this than simple thuggery.

Oh and they aren't all lowlife scum. Some of us grow up, some of us go on to have very successful careers.

what a crock of $hit.

and yes, it's simple thuggery. explain how getting wasted and destroying a stadium while punching someone's lights out is anything but.

and lastly, thanks for turning it back on us rational people, somehow claiming that for someone to shun hooliganism is "passing judgement". how snooty of us.

- I saw fans from Warsaw and Poznan behaving orderly before and almost during the entire football game (in Bydgoszcz). The riots erupted only after the match. Apparently someone wanted it to happen - said Kosma Złotowski, the district plenipotentiary of PiS.

- That was the government who wanted to find a pretext for its further actions, to start a war with football funs. We now have a pathetic spectacle of police entering homes of innocent people at six o'clock in the morning - explains the former senator.

There should be some existing laws by which the creeps can be convicted and be put in prison like, forever?

Now, how about this:

Zlotowski sounds like a madman. When will people stop using any event in Poland to have a political fight. It is getting out of control IMO.

I personally don't want to know anything about the hooligans, just get rid of them. Pronto.

Are there no freedom of speach in Poland anymore?

I don`t think much of this Donald Tusk or the PZPN. Hooliganism is not a good thing, but their way of handling casuals and other rotten apples includes all the good supporters as well.

Not when they threaten the national interest

The easiest, most sensible way to deal with this is to introduce mandatory linking of ID cards to tickets for every single organised football game (within the top 3 leagues). Everything should be checked upon entry, preferably by two separate security companies. One incident of hooliganism within the stadium (or linked to football in any way) should be an automatic ban from stadiums in Poland.

I do not agree that they threaten national interests.

When people are treated unfair they protest.

Btw I can not see a reason to close down Jagiellonias supporters section. I.e. if you live in an appartment building and your neighbour don`t pay his electricitybill, they don`t shut down your power as well just because you`re living in the same building.

When you buy a ticket in Poland you normally have to give away your pesel, so to make a system that ban people from buying tickets should not be to hard.

To check every single person entering the stadium craves to much organization and money, and no one is willing to stand in line for hours to enter a stadium because of control of id papers.

To ban people is an idea, but only for people who are involved in hooliganism over and over again. Ie. people can be attacked by other person in and around the stadium and be involved in "hooliganizm" without being a hooligan.

Are there no freedom of speach in Poland anymore?

You don't? So - you don't think that pitch invasions and vandalism at Euro 2012 threaten the national interest? Please.

You do realise that these protests are orchestrated by people who have a very vested interest in the current situation? These are not just "fans" - these are people who have a very real financial interest in the current situation continuing as-is.

Actually, in Poland, it's quite normal that if your neighbour doesn't pay his administration bills, then everyone else has to pay more. The idea being, as with the stadium closures, that the ordinary people will put pressure on the bad people to behave.

It's not enough to ban them from buying tickets - the current system simply doesn't work. If it did, you might want to ask yourself why people with stadium bans keep getting caught inside stadiums...

Why? Each ticket should simply be linked to an ID card - with the new electronic ID cards on the way, it'll be even easier. Each ticket will take a few seconds to process - what with the need for pat-downs and so on as it is, it's really not an issue. Anyway, if they're not willing to stand in line, then they have to put pressure on the hooligans to behave. It's really that simple.

One incident and you should be out for life, subject to appeal after a couple of years.

Is "speech" the real issue here?

I can`t see that banning all Jagiellonia fans from watching their own team at home for the rest of this season can prevent pitch invasions or vandalism at next years Euro 2012. But I do not support pitch invasion or vandalism by saying so.

Well in the situation in Bialystok yesterday people where just singing anti Donald Tusk slogans and so on. There was no other problems going on, and the Jagiellonia supporters are also one the best behaving fan groups in Poland. And that is why we have something like this going on

So you actually think that it is a good idea to punish every one for one mans crime? And that it is a good thing that all others turn to this man and threaten him, or even worse beat him up to make him start to behave better?

We can agree on this one. Something, somewhere is not working as it should.

Do you really think that this is a good idea? In that case imagine if you go to watch a game next weekend and somebody attacks you, and you defend yourself. The Police sees this and arrest you for hooliganizm and you are banned from going to matches for a couple of years. Do you really think that you as an victim will feel that this is a fair decission?

In this case it was "freedom of singing."

Since Pogon Szczecin fans have a ban on attending football matches at home they went abroad. While playing FC Union Berlin they clashed with police, 19 officers were injured and 18 hooligans arrested.