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Vitali Klitschko (Ukraine) vs Albert Sosnowski (Poland) on May 29, 2010

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NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: Nathan Mar 10, 10, 18:46 #1
An interesting fight is coming up between Ukrainian and Polish boxers to be held in Gelsenkirchen (Germany). While Vitali trains in Germany, Albert trains in England, so this fight may gather enormous amount of viewers from various countries :) Yej!!! http://www.klitschko.com/eng/Home.html

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Edited by: Torq Mar 10, 10, 18:53 #2

What a joke this fight will be. Sosnowski is a diddy - he never won a fight against
any significant boxer and he lost against Zuri Lawrence and Arthur Cook (not to
mention a draw against Francesco Pianeta LOL).

Klitschko wanted a training bag for this defence of his WBC title and he found
himself one. I'm not even going to watch this sorry circus.

Nathan:

this fight may gather enormous amount of viewers from various countries

Erm... no, it won't gather enormous amount of viewers (well, no more than a football
game between Dinamo Kiev and Tęcza Nowa Wieś Lęborska would gather :-)).

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Mar 10, 10, 19:21 #3

Torq:

Sosnowski is a diddy

You are a diddy;) (whatever it means) He has 45-2-1 record. He fought Danny Williams who Klitschko fought as well in his title defense. Both won. Do not underestimate Sosnowski.

Torq:

Erm... no, it won't gather enormous amount of viewers

Well, in Germany when Volodymyr was fighting, the arena gathered 61,000 people, which says about something. I am not even mentioning TV viewers. Beautiful historic Budapest may enjoy philarmonic orchestra that Saturday night, well, I personnaly will be drinking beer and supporting Vitali.

Torq:

I'm not even going to watch this sorry circus.

On May 30th, if you don't mind, I would like to see the photo with your fists. Just to check for any bite-marks. If you have them, it would be very unlikely that you got them while listening to the classic music ;)

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Mar 10, 10, 19:23 #4
Torq: Klitschko wanted a training bag for this defence of his WBC title and he found himself one. smart guy:)

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Mar 10, 10, 21:10 #5

Nathan:

Well, in Germany when Volodymyr was fighting, the arena gathered
61,000 people

Maybe this time there will also be a lot of spectators in the crowd but hopefully
none of them will be Polish. There's no point for Poles to watch that "spectacle".

Seriously, Nathan, if Klitschko's agents had this great idea to organise a fight
against a Pole (probably to make some money on Ukrainian support feeding on
nationalistic anti-Polish sentiments) they might as well give Donald Tusk a shot
at the title. Tusk would have similar chances to Sosonowski to win the belt
(but maybe then I would actually watch the fight he he :)).

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Mar 10, 10, 21:38 #6
Torq: support feeding on nationalistic anti-Polish sentiments Where did you dig that BS out, Torq? Again drifting away on a grassy highway?;) Torq: chances to Sosonowski Sosnowski, at least spell his name correctly, is the Boxing Champion of Europe. Young, agressive fighter. What do you propose? Give Golota a chance to knock out his balls like he did to Bowe? Come on, Torq.

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Edited by: Torq Mar 10, 10, 21:56 #7

Nathan:

Where did you dig that BS out, Torq? Again drifting away on a grassy highway?;)

Boxing is all about money - there's more people in Ukraine willing to pay for watching
their champion winning against "Lach" than against Nigerian or Italian boxer, no?

Money, politics, anti-Polish sentiments - this fight is all about these things. Nothing
to do with sport (that's why I won't watch it; if I feel like watching something
ridiculous, not having anything to do with sport, I'll just watch some WWF Wrestling :-)).

Nathan:

Boxing Champion of Europe

LOL

He's an EBU "champion" after winning a fight against Paolo Vidoz (Paolo who?... exactly :-))

Nathan:

Young, agressive fighter.

31 and not that aggressive.

Nathan:

What do you propose?

It doesn't matter what I propose. However, if you're asking what common sense proposes
then let's look at the WBC ranking - Sosnowski is there on the 13th position (9 places
ahead of David Tua LMAO) which means that there are 12 boxers ahead of Sosnowski's
inflated 13th position.

Austin, Solis, Valuev, Povetkin, Samuel Peter, Denis Boytsov, Adamek, Banks - every one
of them is better than Sosnowski, but there's one problem - they might actually hit back :-)

As I said - sad circus. It's painful to see how low the boxing has fallen.

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Mar 10, 10, 22:07 #8

I don't quite understand your resentment to Sosnowski, Torq. He's a decent fighter that might actually make the fight last the full 12 rounds, and maybe, just maybe, pull out an upset on points. There's no way he will knock Klitschko out, and he in turn has to watch from being caught with a hard punch because his chin is nowhere near as strong as Klitschko's or Adamek's.

If he loses, who cares? At least he got a chance to show up on the big stage.

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Edited by: Torq Mar 10, 10, 22:14 #9

Seriously, lads - let's come back to this thread in May and then we can all laugh...

...at you ;)

Here's a great article about that "fight":

http://sport.onet.pl/boks/kliczko-sosnowski-takie-numery-przechodza-ty lko-w-,1,3189863,wiadomosc.html

Przyznam szczerze, że kiedy pierwszy raz przeczytałem na łamach niemieckiego "Bildu" na temat tej walki, machnąłem reką, bo przecież to tylko bulwarówka, gdzie sprostowań informacji jest więcej niż samych artykułów. Pomyliłem się, życie jest zawsze ciekawsze niż kabaret - stwierdził.

Komentując wybór Sosnowskiego, tak pisze o Polaku Dan Rafael z ESPN: - Jego papiery na walkę o mistrzowski tytuł są niezmiernie słabe. W ostatnich czterech walkach ma dwa zwycięstwa, remis i porażkę z bokserskim przeciętniakiem Zuri Lawrence, przeciwko któremu Sosnowski nie potrafił wygrać ani jednej rundy. Nie wygrał ani jednej rundy z bokserem, który miał dorobek 24 zwycięstw i 14 porażek - zauważył.

plus...

http://sport.onet.pl/boks/gigant-drwi-z-sosnowskiego-kibice-nie-zdaza- wypic-,1,3189704,wiadomosc.html

and...

http://sport.onet.pl/boks/nawet-milion-dolarow-nie-zniweluje-efektow-w strzas,1,3189350,wiadomosc.html

...they are all boxing experts (like me ;)) and they are all right in what they say.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Mar 10, 10, 22:19 #10

Nathan:

You are a diddy;) (whatever it means) He has 45-2-1 record. He fought Danny Williams who Klitschko fought as well in his title defense. Both won. Do not underestimate Sosnowski.

Danny Williams is a joke - the only reason he's even had half as much success is because the British public would support anyone British and in the Heavyweight division. Records mean nothing - look at how (fr)Audley Harrison was papering his record.

Torq:

Klitschko wanted a training bag for this defence of his WBC title and he found
himself one. I'm not even going to watch this sorry circus.

The fact that he's fighting in Germany tells you everything - the judging in Germanic countries is always a complete joke. Even if the Polish guy takes him to 12 rounds, he'll never beat him on the judges scorecard. Heck, let's not forget that the big lump Valuev managed to draw on one scorecard with Haye!

No-one with an ounce of sense is going to fight the Klitschko brothers in Germany - and this is why they're resorting to lining up no-name fighters. Germanic audiences are stupid enough to tune in and buy tickets, but no-one else is.

Torq:

Austin, Solis, Valuev, Povetkin, Samuel Peter, Denis Boytsov, Adamek, Banks - every one of them is better than Sosnowski, but there's one problem - they might actually hit back :-)

Got it in one. The Klitschko's have sussed out that they don't need to fight big names - they can just bring a succession of no-hopers to Germany, beat them senseless and keep raking in the big pay days. Will either brother have the heart to face Haye in a neutral territory? I doubt it.

I'm sorry, but someone ranked 13th in the world is hardly fit to be challenging for a title. Funny how the management went for a Polish boxer with no record to speak of, as opposed to letting him take on Boytsov - are you seriously telling me that an unheard-of Polish boxer is going to draw more than Boytsov?

Vitali isn't actually such a bad boxer either - he can punch, and I think everyone is agreed that he was desperately unlucky against Lewis. Why on earth they've picked such a poor challenger is beyond me - is Vitali just trying to see out his career with as many easy paydays as possible?

filos1:

He's a decent fighter that might actually make the fight last the full 12 rounds, and maybe, just maybe, pull out an upset on points.

Points? Upset? In Germany? Against a Klitschko? Don't be ridiculous.

Vitali will start this fight 4 points ahead on the scorecards before a punch is thrown.

His only hope is to knock Vitali out - and bearing in mind that Vitali has heart, unlike his brother - I can't see it happening.

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Mar 10, 10, 22:28 #11

Torq:

Austin, Solis, Valuev, Povetkin, Samuel Peter, Denis Boytsov, Adamek, Banks - every one
of them is better than Sosnowski, but there's one problem - they might actually hit back :-)

Austin fought the younger brother two years ago and lost.
Valuev had a chance to fight Klitschko. But he chickened out on March 8, 2010:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=25912
Povetkin had a scheduled fight with the younger brother, but Povetkin had an injury and the fight was cancelled:
http://www.klitschko.com/eng/Brothers-Klitschko/353-Povetkin-Injured-K litschko-Fight-Is-OFF.html
Adamek has a fight with Arreola in April, so he can't fight a month later, right?

Filios1:

I don't quite understand your resentment to Sosnowski, Torq.

He doesn't like the sport.

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Mar 10, 10, 22:30 #12

My name is Filios1, not filos1. You are not only disrespectful in your reply, but also in your adressing.
This is serious business, and upsets happen. I laugh at anyone that says this fight is a sure thing. As in anything in life, there are surprises. I can say that I will for sure wake up tomorrow, and eat breakfast. For all I know, I could die in my sleep. I will cheer Albert on, as I am not a cynical *******.

IoxanaThreads: 2 Posts: 95 Joined: Mar 1, 10 ♀	Edited by: Ioxana Mar 11, 10, 04:37 #13
Filios,Filos,Fallos...whats the difference? None :D

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Edited by: Torq Mar 11, 10, 06:46 #14

Good post, Delphiandomine! It looks like we're the only ones here with
at least a bit of knowledge about boxing.

delphiandomine:

His only hope is to knock Vitali out

Knock Vitali out? We are talking about Sosnowski FFS! The guy lost
his fight against a mediocre Zuri Lawrence without winning a single
round, for crying out loud! Sosnowski failed to win a single round
against a boxer who had the record of 24 wins and 14 losses - says it all.

As I said - they should have given Tusk or Kaczyński a chance to fight Klitschko.
The outcome would be the same, but more people in Poland would watch the fight :-)

Nathan:

He doesn't like the sport.

I like sport a lot and I like cabaret a lot, but not necessarily the mixture of the two :-)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 21:41 #15
Doesn't Sosnowski have an exemplary record? Asides from a blemish or two, he is mustard! That is what I read the other day.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 21:42 #16
Seanus: Asides from a blemish or two, he is mustard! Mustard? As in Senf and Ketchup???

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Mar 11, 10, 21:46 #17
Seanus: Doesn't Sosnowski have an exemplary record? No, he has an inflated record. Seanus: That is what I read the other day. Where did you read it? On Sosnowski's official webpage? ;) Bratwurst Boy: Ketchup? Yeah - his face will look very much like ketchup after the fight.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 11, 10, 21:47 #18
Torq: Yeah - his face will look very much like ketchup after the fight. Oooooh come on....don't be so pessimistic! Root for the underdog!!! Go Sosi Go! :) But I have to say the Klitschkos are well liked household names in Germany, they will bring their fans too....

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 11, 10, 21:55 #19
Bratwurst Boy: Oooooh come on....don't be so pessimistic! It's spelled r-e-a-l-i-s-t-i-c. Bratwurst Boy: Root for the underdog!!! Go Sosi Go! :) Underdog? What a nice name for a punching bag :) Go Sissy Go!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 11, 10, 21:57 #20
Torq: It's spelled r-e-a-l-i-s-t-i-c. But...that is so...so...so UNPOLISH! ;)

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Edited by: Torq Mar 11, 10, 22:12 #21

Bratwurst Boy:

But...that is so...so...so UNPOLISH!

Anyway - that fight is evidently an anti-Polish set up of Bandera/UPA sympathisers
and Pole-hating German elements. They can't wait to see Klitschko demolishing
a "Lach"/"Polak". Once again we witness an anti-Polish plot in the world of professional
sport. I bet Erika Steinbach has already bought a ticket in the first row of seats!

How's that? Polish enough for you? ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 22:14 #22
Torq: How's that? Polish enough for you? ;) phew Now that I got my daily dose I feel better....

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 11, 10, 22:16 #23
Bratwurst Boy: Now that I got my daily dose I feel better... Always glad to help :)

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Mar 11, 10, 22:33 #24

Torq:

It's spelled r-e-a-l-i-s-t-i-c.

So you want to say that Poland has nobody worth fighting or what? Sosnowski is a great boxer, record of 45:2:1 speaks for itself (Vitali Klitschko has 39:2:0), not some woosy who is flushing water before even trying to ... like you.
(*Nathan walks away in disgust after witnessing woosiness in its worse form*... But then comes back for a minute ;)

Bratwurst Boy:

*phew* Now that I got my daily dose I feel better....

BB, now I understand your need for a dose. I feel great too after one, but not enough. I need more. Torq, any left? ;)

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Mar 11, 10, 22:44 #25

Nathan:

So you want to say that Poland has nobody worth fighting or what?

In professional boxing? At the moment? No - there's nobody.

Nathan:

Sosnowski is a great boxer, record of 45:2:1 speaks for itself

Are you really not aware of the practice of inflating records in professional boxing?
Read my previous posts (and the links that I posted) and you will know who Sosnowski
really is - a diddy (to use a football term).

Nathan:

not some woosy who is flushing water before even trying to ... like you

Actually - I might have a better chance against Klitschko than Sosnowski. I would
trick him. At the beginning of the fight, before Klitschko could approach me, I would
shout "Lwów is Polish" and then Klitschko would stop and start explaining to me about
the building of the city, all the bullcra*p about Ruś Kijowska and stuff and while he was
talking I'd just knock him down. Ha! :-)

Nathan:

Torq, any left? ;)

I've plenty left, but I will keep for me the decision when to use it.

You won't know what hit ya! ;)

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Mar 11, 10, 23:17 #26

delphiandomine:

Danny Williams is a joke - the only reason he's even had half as much success is because the British public would support anyone British and in the Heavyweight division.

Williams is a tough fighter, and his main claim to fame on the international stage was beating (a fading) Mike Tyson. However, he fell well short against Vitali (by his own admission).

As for Fraudley Harrison, he wasn't as supported as you'd think (and Williams beat him first time around), although he did once beat some doorman from Poznan, didn't he?

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Mar 11, 10, 23:20 #27

Torq:

You would be talking to St. Peter just after you pronounce "w" after "L" ;) You would have to explain to Peter what brought you there :)

Torq:

Are you really not aware of the practice of inflating records in professional boxing?

Why do you also use the tactic of pregnant women, starcy i dzieci? When V. Klitschko fought Arreola, the latter one had 28:0, perfect record and 10 professional fights less than Vitali. I didn't hear any American or Mexican whine like you about their boxer,Torq. Stop that woosiness and take yourself in hands. (*Nathan embraces Torq on his chest while he cries like a little diddy ;) Tshh, tshh, Torcisio, everything will be all right. Baba Yaga nie zje cie* ;)

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Edited by: Torq Mar 12, 10, 08:12 #28

Nathan:

When V. Klitschko fought Arreola, the latter one had 28:0, perfect record and 10 professional fights less than Vitali.

See my post no. 14 before you compare Sosnowski to Arreola.

Nathan:

take yourself in hands

Weź się w garść? I think that would be "get a grip of yourself" in English ;)

Nathan:

Tshh, tshh, Torcisio, everything will be all right.

But of course everything will be all right for me. Not for Sosnowski though :-)

You have to accept the fact that this fight is an obvious set up, Nathan.
These things happen in professional boxing, you know. Nothing shocking
about it really - just funny :-)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: Nathan May 30, 10, 13:42 #29
What a beautiful boxing match! 10 rounds of intensive fight. Both boxers were worth each other. Vitali Klitschko is as always unsurpassed Ukrainian master of boxing art. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcq3wSrOqE

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	May 30, 10, 14:07 #30
Nathan: Ukrainian master of boxing art. David Haye will take him!

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