Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread)

Oh no! Please don't tell everybody that... they will take our 4 of July Independence Day off away from us!

dont believe everything you read :)

Please bring us all the gorgeous Polish men too!

Well, demonstrate this then.
I'd like to complain about people complaining about people complaining about people complaining...


I hope you have a nice time. I'll be in Lomza.

I might ignore these arguing about Poles in the UK threads, I might not.
Same with you, Sledz. I might ignore you, but then again...


Said the man who seems to be just a tad riled.

I don't whine - I state my case calmly and sensibly. [/quote]

Osiol

[I agree, I've read some of your posts with much interest and you make a good case.
I get the feeling though that non poles are only to be tolerated if they agree with the majority on this forum-thats hardly educational.Reading some sensibly stated oppinions which differ to my own helps me examine and sometimes refine my position.There are some on this thread who dont like the english or anyone else and they dont have the same capacity to examine or redifine their oppinions.

Comments like
Screw British,I hope a Pole takes a job away from you
will make the likelyhood of inteligent debate even less.Many people will take offence when they see that written and will respond with much worse.If they would be kind enough to make an intelligent and considered comment instead I would read it with great interest.I 'lose it' sometimes aswell but these people seem to be permanently in that frame of mind.(THAT MUST BE VERY TIRING)

well its strange british army were shooting people for no reason little girls at 7.

There's no way I can condone or defend such actions. It is despicable.
People do things in our names that can make us sick.
There are, however, bad people on all sides.
Two wrongs, as I often say, do not make a right.
Amongst these islands in the northwest corner of Europe, it does seem as if Northern Ireland has been left behind by the rest of the UK and the Republic of Ireland. So much for all the arguments and the fighting.
What is a British identity to anyone in the province, or indeed, a republican identity, when their fighting leaves them in a weak position economically and socially?
Like many issues in the world, it is too complicated to treat as simple.

Sorry about that aside.
Back to the topic?
Hmmm.

Osiol is right.The british people see NI as a pain in the arse that we would be well rid of. None of you can agree on anything for long and you keep dragging up things from the past of which you are only to see from one view point. Get on with your lives and sort yourselves out at last. I've not done anything to you and I dont appreciate your hostility to my countrymen on the grounds of our birthplace.We dont want your country and neither do the south probably.

in answer to trubrit, trubrit my ar... should be turban the paki and ne.... have been ruining britain ever since they got here and the prisons are 80 per sent full with the other lot sure there are plenty of english drunks as well as polish but they both eng/polish have had there arses torn out by different people trubrit my arse the only thing the people you singing the praises about is a uk passport plenty of of f..k all else they sent more money out of the country than they put in half the phone calls pass thoughg f..king india piiss off i would not like to be stuck in trench with you or your mates give me pol every time drunk or sober a-hole

i n answer to greeasoff or grezegorz boasting about pissing on a drunken englishman drunk on trhe floor have some ball and try it when he,s sober and awake i doubt u got the balls gregg not a good boast prick be glad to meet you pissing terms you would lose

GREGG YOUR AN A..HOLE i think most polish would agree and stop licking the moderaters arses i said you had no balls

My apoligies, it was all conglonerated it seemed at sledz, and most of the time there is such a variety i really wont go back and read 5 pages, the topics are highjacked at times, so I stopped doing that.

But anyway, still think the brits are a bit uppity abou themselves. my personal opinion after knowing a few of them for years.

Most Polish I have met have opened thier doors and made me feel at home, with feasts made for a king. They are very hospitable, as I am. Is from my family roots. And i can say it wasnt english.

please tell me exactly what we would miss out on?? a few turnips from Poland, a house or two in Bulgaria and god no's what from Romania??


fall apart??? i would be first out of it :) The core nations would trade on anyway as we offer each other fair trade and have something to give and receive in return.


they don't have to be cut in stone or official, just 'friendship' agreements rather than a million page document on the ins and outs. It means we are not restricted or forced into anything therefore being able to make our own choices for the UK.


i would rather pay money to those nations who are giving back :)


just those countries who can offer us something in return so we can trade on a 50-50 basis or a little bit each way :)



trade from which countries, we were trading with most of europe before the EU came into existence anyway, well those that were important enough and central to our needs.


i wouldn't say your lying here just that we don't need to control the parts of europe that depend on us, whats the point, they cost us money!!!


yeah of course we do but we also need to train those ones back in the UK who haven't got the skills to go and work on a worldwide or international scale.

There are huge amonts of trade between us and other EU countries.

My first example will be that in the horticulture industry, the majority of plants are sourced from the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy and Spain.

My next example is also close to my heart - food. French, Italian...
I don't want my prosciutto to become more expensive.

Now if you will excuse me, I have some French cheese to go and eat.
I will continue later.

That is rubbish. Trade between nations is not done by a couple of politicians shaking hands and that's it.
You would simply add huge areas of burocracy to deal with so many different countries.


I'm not sure what you mean.
If you mean the cost of trade without any decision making in return being your preference.


So some industries in the UK lose out because their trading partners are seen as insignificant?


Trade between member states is not restricted as it is with outside countries.



And now it is easier and we have more bargaining power.


... that we depend on?

kac duck are you saying the britts are not hospitable ouy could be right as its now 75 per cent foriegn a reel englishman will put his hand out and pull anyone up and fill his plate.

Speak for yourself.
But you might wear your a*** out in the process.

exactly countries that can offer us things back, these are main members, so to speak.
yum yum


all you need to do is organise trade, not that difficult in the grand scheme of things, its just as part of the EU you are all under one warm sheet :)


what i mean is that there are nations of the EU who take take take and don't give back :) i'm sure thats clear enough :):):)


you could trade company to company without the EU, it is just costing us money, the EU that is, if we wanted to trade with european companies we would do so same as we do with America and Asia etc


yeah i know that but its only worth trading in this way with some of the members not all of them.


yes and at the same time filling the pockets of the Eastern Europeans with free money :)


no i'm sorry, we need Russia (gas), we need the US (Lots of things) we need parts of Asia (oil) we don't need Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc

At the moment, they take and give back.
Without membership, they take and don't give back.


We need enough other countries in the EU, especially the ones I already listed, plus Germany, etc.
If the economies of these countries grow and become successful, we will need them.

You have a very simplistic view of economics and international trade.
You seem to have conveniently ignored the social benefits of the British government being pushed into giving us things like the minimum wage, you have ignored how the UK can benefit from outside countries wanting to deal with the EU and using the UK as a base. This works for all member states, including Poland.
You have also ignored the historic benefit - cohesion amongst European states putting an end to armed conflict between countries. If there had been no EU, you can't tell how European countries might have progressed without common political direction.
It might not have turned out so nicely.

what do they give???


i take your points and you make them well, surely however we can trade with who we like, we are in the power position, we can pick and choose so to speak.

Will the colonials please tell my why they are in a Polonia UK thread. As for all this "brit" this and "brit" that.....will the septics also please note that for most of the time you mean ENGLISH(a strange breed of mostly germanic stock with a tendency to weak chins and fwa fwa speach patterns)and the rest of us,the Scots,Welsh and some of the Irish dont appreciate being lumbered in with them,mind you,like siblings we fight amongst ourselves but unite against outsiders, we dont call you lot Canadians or Mexicans so please have the decency to diffirentiate between the nations in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Roofer,learn to speak English before you claim to be the last bastion of Englishness please.

haha classic

fwa fwa fwa

osoil, tipical they have been tearing the arse out of uk for years i think i no who to pull up and who to let go and that would not be the pols and for the eu if the uk had let it happen you would be run by germans and french im sure you would not be to happy about that

btw,some of my post was meant to be ironic. truelly ironic that it was aimed at Americans..........;) I genuinly think a lot of Americans,and possibly others read our sardonic humour/humor as standoff ish,its not,we love you guys,honest.

As an EU member, yes.


EU money does come back to the UK, especially poorer areas.
We get to play a part in making legislation at all levels.
Free movement of goods and services - it works in our favour too.

International relations are not simple. They never have been. Membership of the EU makes it much easier between member states.

He's doing well - he can still type even after his knuckles have been dragging on the ground all day.

Has anyone seen Osoil?

isthatyou i love it goood shot he he im not numerik but nor was henry ford dont confuse me now

sorry roofer,it is below the belt to judge by someones spelling,not cricket.
But as I am free to judge your opinions,as you are mine,let me put it another way. Your neo nazi esque rants are not the last word in English opinion about anything other than the ill informed hysteria drummed up by rags like the ***coughspit***daily (hate)mail.
As to being "stuck in a trench" with anyone,roofer,when was the last time you faced this dilema? Have you any idea just ho many VCs were won by Indian Army soldiers not to mention Ghurkhas,or are they the "ok sort of darkies" rascists are fond of dragging out to show just how ethnicaly tollerent they are?

No.
A bit.
On whose terms?


It would be very easy if you actually listened to anyone.