Who suffered more, victims of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, or victims

Group,

Here are a few quotes from the artical. Can we say one suffered more that the other or is the "However, the paper accuses the historians of being a bit biased themselves in their interpretation of the Forum's mission." You think maybe a "bit"?


"Who suffered more, victims of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, or victims of Hitler, Eichmann, and Himmler? And what role does the Swedish state have in answering the question? David Landes looks at what Sweden's papers have to say about the issue."

"Nazism is dead," writes the paper."

Oh god not again!!! over and over with the same old negative clap trap. Wont you ever post something a bit more on the lighter side celinski??????

Sorry but it's getting tiresome

Go to another question then. Poland has been ignored by ignorance and I see you are leading the pack. This is a "Polish Forum" and you still think they should be silenced, lol, not any more.

Listen you silly woman who ever talked about silencing anyone, thank god the Poles I meet every day here in Poland are a dam site more positive about life than you.

And may I add that if anyone forgets it is the Poles because it is too much of a painful memory to drag up all the time. That's what makes the Polish nation great because if anything happens they just get up and dust themselves down and get on with life, not sit in the corner and sulk about it.
I was speaking to a Polish American the other day and I got the feeling from him that he really has no grasp on reality in Poland today, and with respect I think you are suffering in the same way.

Sorry I am viewed as "silly". I guess it could be worse. And no I am not "pseudo" we just didn't all die on "Stalins" orders. Lets see 50 years of silence was not enough. I know many Polish from across the nation that are very positive people. Why do you say being able to correct history showing the truth about "Stalin" and Soviet" is not positive? I suggest you get a copy of "Katyn" this weekend and then tell me we should be silenced longer still?

Why do we even have to talk about who suffered more C?

All victims of genocidal slaughter suffer horrifically.

Why do we have to degrade and devalue their suffering by asking who suffered more?

Hear hear!!!!

This was an artical and if you look at my statement "can we say one suffered"... above. Point being, the lies told because no one talks are out of control in the USA. We have Holocaust musuems that totally forgot our loved ones. We have "russia" still denying "Katyn". Out of respect for our families I want history to show all crimes not just "Jewish" or "Nazi".



The Katyn Controversy: Stalin's Killing Field
Benjamin B. Fischer

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-p ublications/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art6.html

It just so Happens I am a scientist and have invented a machine that can measure suffering, even on things that happened a long time ago. it starts at uncomfortable and goes all the way up to AAAARRRRGGGG!!!!
Of course that last statement is rubbish, there is no such machine rating suffering from 1-10.
I have just recently come back from Cambodia and I went to the killing fields, it was horrific and the people suffered 10 out of 10, but you can not really compare it to Stalin etc...

This artical is not really who suffered more vs who's taken responsability. Germany had the "Holocaust" responsability for the last fifty years. Yet "Stalin" the bigger killer has never had to answer for the crimes they commited. Read the artical, 90% of the children did not know what the gulag was?

Carol - I cant access the link.
Why is it so important for Sweedish schoolchildren to know what a Gulag was ?
How much do you know about the suffering of the Highlanders during the clearances? Have you heard of the clearances ?

Lots to get upset about if you look for it.

This would not be an issue if it were "Holocaust". Truth be told most of Poland is Catholic, and this is who were under "communist Poland" and silenced. History should be facts of all history, not 1/2.

http://www.thelocal.se/10916/20080404/

Stalin's slave ships: Kolyma, the gulag
Between 1932 and 1953, a fleet of ordinary cargo ships was pressed into
extraordinary service. The fleet's task was to relocate approximately
one-million forced labourers to the Soviet Gulag in Kolyma, located
along the... continued on the link






http://tinyurl.com/5cgscn

Point I was making, each culture has had its share of tragedy that others are ignorant about.
For example, what do Americans know about the native American genocide ? Anybody up in arms about that?

Edit - Just had a look at the link but its too long for me. Its sounds very much the same as the prison ships that were used for the Highlanders though ;-)

By now the readers of this forum may as well be added to the list.

yes there are hundreds of groups and most important it's in the history books.

LOL.

Thats the 2nd link I sent as many are unaware of the death that took place other than "Katyn" and gulags. Look at the other link for the artical.

OK, link working now.
I see, I think the point you are making is that the commies were just as bad as the Nazis, and while everyone has heard of the Holocaust not many have heard of the exodus to the Gulags.
The same article cites not many schoolkids in Sweeden knowing much about the Nazis either so it is a double edged sword.
I get where you are coming from and I can understand your anxieties.
The point I was making was that every culture has had its tragedies and on the whole, most people dont care too much about it if it doesn't affect them.

When is the U.S. going to give back Quinnehtukqut to its rightful owners ?

lol Darius. Indeed, I'm a bit fed up with all this winging and whining of how bad the Poles have been treated IN THE PAST. It's the 21st century and Poland is now part of the big European family we call EU. A bright future lies ahead and one must never forget one's past, but also not constantly whining about how bad you've been treated.

M-G

Forget or know? I think thats more to the point. This is just one artical we have been silenced for to long. Can you tell me a toltal of victims of "Stalin"?

I'm not saying that you must forget the past, only that you never must allow what happened in the past to interfere on your path to a great future.

M-G

I think this is the point of the post, people won't forget what they don't know. Education of this part of history has been hidden and the ignorance in the USA is sick. Not to drag a dead horse, but this is what I want "education" to our loved ones plight at the hands of "Stalin". You would think that in this day and age the truth is known, but it's not.

Nice bunch of socialists above, one cannot deny... You should not be surprised that in socialist country like Sweden there is lack of space in education program to expose communist crimes. This is very uncomfortable topic for people who endlessly babbling about greatness of socialism. This is what is worth state controlled education system.

My first reply would be that the question is absurd, because if we are talking about victims of torture or murder, how can one person be 'tortured more' or 'murdered more' than another?...if you want to reduce the tragedy to numbers: 1)Bolshevism/Communism in Russia 2) Bolshevism/Communism in China...3) Bolshevism/Communism anywhere.

That will include me then?

I believe fascism and communism has been referred to in this post - not socialism.

There are stories of mass murders throughout history that the vast majority of people have never heard of. Not many people have heard of Dacia for instance or know what was done there by the emporer Trajan. More recently people are not aware of the mass killings that happened in Belorussia during WW2 and how they lost a greater percentage of their population than any other country during the war.

Its a sad fact that we cant teach all of them in the classroom.

That is not right. In the US if it's mandatory to teach "Holocaust" then all victims of "Stalin" and "Hitler" should be taught. It's time that the nation stopped playing into the "Holocaust" hype. Please don't think I'm anti-semetic, I am not. I just know the whole history and to segregate non Jewish or Stalin victims alters the whole truth.

Is it mandatory ? What about the native American genocide ?
That don't seem right.

But will schools teach about the victims of the Roman emporers? Or how about the victims of the Crusades?

People are missing the point when it comes to the Holocaust. The reason the Holocaust is so special is not the massive numbers. It was:
-the methodical, mechanical, industrial nature of the victim's extermination

-the fact that this was an attempt to exterminate an entire race

-the fact that there was film of the atrocities results.

-And also that this genocide was seen as the culmination of hundreds of years of persecution.

Because of this the Holocaust has special lessons.

I think this is you who should think about it, whether this company fits you or not. :)



What we have above, three members of German National Socialist Party, plus three communist criminals. After all communism was another radical face of socialism. Why would socialist countries like Sweden avoid this topic in school programs if this issue would not be uncomfortable for them? Lets discuss situation in Sweden, any thoughts?