Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan?

matty,



positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm
villagevoice.com/news/0416,schanberg,52828,6.html
bpf.org/tsangha/loy-war.html
seattleweekly.com/2003-01-29/news/bush-s-holy-war.php

i bet you don't think we're defending Israel which is holy land but in fact that is the case.

Nice source, lol. That's definatly reliable.
Anyway lets PRETEND that was said. Bush is only one man.

Let me explain it to you clearly.

40% of americans agreed to war because of wmds.
25% strategic move
10% to stop Saddam and his slaughtering of his civilians
5% oil
5% to get revenge
.0008 % holy war
.0000009% to help Israel
rest misc. reasons

As you can see different people supported the war for different reasons. the reasons you mention are supported by nothing more then a few weirdos.

and the head terrorist, gwb.

Bet you don't think this is to stop some nut case using a god to kill people? What you don't have a beard, thats it,your dead. Not a muslum, you must die. What you sent your child to school, not one of ours, they must die with you.

shrubco is using god for that very purpose

Who is "shrubco"?

A Toxic Cocktail: Pakistan's Growing Instability
By J Alexander Thier

February 2008

A Toxic Cocktail
Elections: Pressure Cooker or Release Valve?
Growing Militancy and the "Nightmare Scenario"
A Way Out?: Conclusion and Recommendations




http://www.usip.org/pubs/usipeace_briefings/2008/0201_pakistan.html

Don't worry Celinski, they are 'allies' of America! LOL U can always step in and help, seeing as they are ur friends

Is this Taliban's way of thanking Pakistan fot letting them in?



http://www.newser.com/story/18119.html

To be honest, a part of me is glad that Pakistan is being attacked because that's what they get for helping the taliban in the past and for not fighting terrorism as they should.....However we cannot afford to have Pakistan fall into chaos...and we must help...Unfortunately in a war such as this you must ally with countries that are not much better than the terrorists...Pakistan is the lesser of the two evils and we must support them.. The same goes with many other countries in the middle east.

I knew it was just a matter of time before the Taliban decided they wanted total control vs. being guests. Yes, we will help and then be put down for helping, just like Iraq and Afganistan.

Obama is all for taking all appropriate measures, which includes going into Pakistan and, in so doing, violating their territorial jurisdiction and sovereignty. Well done Obama I say, violate that 2-faced joke Musharaff. His security forces just ain't up to US standards. Draft in some US beef and u will start to see progress. Time to oust that snake and call in the big boys to get the job done

Celinki I agree with your post, that's exactly whats happening. Like to point out the majority of the Afghan and Iraqi public support the missions. Im confused how people even have the right to complain when the public in those countries want us their not to mention its for our safety. These people complaining are so anti American that they can't think logically but only emotionally.

Seanus, we might not always I agree but missed you these couple days... Obama is the man, and hopefully he will win the democractic nomination... Only thing is he's not so fond of the missle shield... but definitely still the best choice...

Let me ask u this Matthias, is the American/Polish shield a vote winner in America and has it been since its inception as an idea?

Not at all Seanus, most of the American public don't really care...they do not want to spend more money for a shield protecting Europe, they believe Europe should be protecting themselves. However even though they think that this issue has NO influence on the voting preferance of Americans. Their more worried about the economy and the ability of the next president to handle terrorism and have a comprehensive middle east policy.

On a side note, this issue is more important with Polish Americans but not enough to sway the vote...

So the offer is like a gift 2 us? Like the Statue of Liberty? Kind of recompense? A comprehensive middle east policy would look like what? Maybe we don't consider ourselves as a target for a possible nuclear attack.

Seanus lol no not statute of liberty: ), majority of Americans don't want to spend money on shield protecting Europe , however American government does. The public does not realize that the security of Europe is related to the security of America. One falls the chances are the other one is next. the terrorists don't see a distinction. they see the capitalist west vs the religious east.

Comprehensive middle east policy, don't know what that is, hopefully Ill notice it when I see it lol.... No American truly knows...We kind are guessing who seems like they would be a good leader.... However my opinion is if we had the resources more countries must be dealt with.. however we don't so we must use diplomacy whenever possible and use the military only when we have to.

I understand you might not see yourself as a target.. but just because you believe that doesn't make it true...Granted its a small chance, highly unlikely, but im a big proponent of better safe then sorry.

I agree with u, by 'we' I wasn't directly including myself in that picture, just speaking for fellow Europeans. There's no room for complacency when it comes to ruthless minds!!

Cool...To be honest Im having trouble understanding why Europe believes they are not a threat.. They have had more attacks in Europe then in America in the past couple years. Now I heard Europeans say that's only because Europe has troops in Iraq... That's not true, their has been many failed attempts on Germany and just a month ago on Spain who as you recall pulled their troops out. Not to mention the threat western Europe has with possible homegrown terrorism. Im confused by this logic...

Not to mention the inflammatory comments of senior French ministers which, incidentally, the Iranians have caught wind of and have retaliated verbally. The French are stepping up their potential role. They negotiated a strategic placement deal with the UAE. They could be the next target. Who knows, many terrorists are known to be in Hamburg. One of the surprise inclusions in the war on terror was Denmark and it wouldn't take much to get into Denmark and strike there. Why not? It'd be unexpected.

Doesn't Denmark also have a fairly prelevant muslim population?...I know one of the scandenavion countries do...

Im happy the French have stepped up, its a big turn around from Chiraq....Germany must do the same....which they are reluctant to do....

In scale terms, quite prevalent. Good old Scandinavians. Germany must start to get tough, I agree. Too much ************ around, lacking welly. IMHO, we are treading a way too tentative line with regards to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. We need to up the heat and get these brutal murderers out. The Taliban are backward sheep-herders who luckily came into weaponry. Then again, the Saudis still behead people and are draconian. Obama will bring it on home and get results. Go Obama!! Hilary will just take the advice of Bill who did next to sweet FA against terrorism. Oh yeah, he gave money to the IRA, what a contribution that was

Seanus, its great to see someone in Europe who actually sees this threat that is so clear...Its not the end of the world type but something that can cause major problems and has the potential to grow into something more if left unchecked....

Luckily more and more are beginning to see this threat....however more still has to be done by some European governments..hmhmhmhm Germany....

Saudis are not my favorites, I guess its the lesser of two evils.. Unfortunately we don't have enough resources to attack more countries in middle east that need a good a*s kicking..so we are left with no choice but to compromise our ideals.

do you guys have no clue that you are sounding just like the ******* nazis with this attack mode talk?.. it's not all about you or i.. do you even have a clue what wars are like? i suggest you go to the sand box before you spew anymore of this grand dillusional crap. thanks.

no - they dont have a clue, despite it being explained to them at length

i guess not.. thanks bw.. this **** is actually starting to **** me off. these guys are making all poles look like a bunch of bałwany. *shakes head and roll eyes* :)

thanks for that useless comment...I know what war is like I have had several friends that served tours in Iraq. The people who know best are the Iraqi and Afghani public and polls show that both governments and both countrys citizens want us their by a wide margin.. Yes war is horrible, these people are willing to make sacrafices for freedom, and we are willing to make sacrafices for our safety...
It is you who does not understand war and that though it is horrible it is sometimes necessary.

nazi, thats the party you would be saluting, if countries did not go to war with germany..

in one ear out the other

oh well

plk123 and BW, Matthias and I will personally fund a Taliban trip 4 ya. That's a first for a Scot!! We'll gloss it up as a wonderful chill-out trip to the mountains, plenty of cave tours and spelunking there. Cheap too. Go check it out. Like Freddy Mercury with his 'rock' tour, he was promised plenty open cracks and tight crevasses. He wanted to get to the bottom but all he found was rocks.

lmao.......plk your an embarrassment to us all not just poles... You are living in some fairy tale....come back to reality.

p.s im sending 200 for the trip.

Seanus, k back to topic......The war is started and we will fight it, now we just need to hope that more countries and more people will have the intelligence to see the threat...