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Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan?


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Seanus
  Feb 5, 08, 16:40  #121

We are underestimating the threat tho. Al Qaeda are as strong as ever, hardly a triumph for the world's no1 superpower


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 5, 08, 16:54  #122

Unfortunately, technology in such a war can only go so far.....Its difficult to drop bombs when these people are hiding in the general population....... In a war such as this we need soldiers and America is stretched as thin as it can be without leaving its self vulnerable to an attack from a country that may take advantage of a move to send all available soldiers.....I don't think Al Queda poses a threat as of yet that can destroy us, however if left unchecked it has the potential to grow into an organization that can....Once Iraq is stable, then we will be able to turn our focus onto differrent fronts of the war... Next is Pakistan now not saying an invansion but we need to keep that option open.. , we cannot afford to have extremist elements gain control of a nuclear country....


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Ranj
Edited by: Ranj  Feb 5, 08, 20:21  #123

You know one thing I am finding very disturbing? I've been watching too much history channel, I suppose, and all the "soothsayers" of years past have "predicted" that the world as we know it will end in 2012 (the same year a lot of things that are controversial are suppose to take place).

I don't necessarily believe in soothsayers, but I do believe the world has a say in it's future....that's only if the world can agree, which doesn't look promising (oh God, I'm sounding like Hairball...no offense, HB).

I love my life in the country of America....doesn't mean I love it's politics or foreign policy....I know America has screwed up in many ways.....the question is, how do we turn it all around without causing even more chaos?

I guess if I knew the answer to that, I would be a world leader (rolls eyes).
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 5, 08, 20:43  #124

Ranj, listen to me good don't you ever compare yourself to hairball, no one ever deserves that.........

Watched something about that date also, for example Myan calander ends on that year and several psychics have said it......their is a end of the world scenerio every century and so far, well you know the so far we are all still here...Its not so bad, yes America has made mistakes, nothing to lead to its destruction ..........Yes the war on terrorism will last for decades, however its nothing that will stop the world from spinning....things are not perfect, but good enough at least for now not to worry...

PS not to worry you but read about supervolcanoes under yellowstone national park.....


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Ranj
  Feb 5, 08, 21:23  #125

matthias wrote:
decades, however its nothing that will stop the world from spinning....things are not perfect, but good enough at least for now not to worry...

Like you said, "at least for now". How long have we've (USA) been saying that? My concern is the future children of this world.....I will admit, I don't have any (not because it wasn't desired at a certain time in my life); as far as I know, I can still have children, but I don't want them now....and I worry about my nieces and nephews and their families.....

I guess I'm playing "Devil's Advocate" here, but I see a lot of what you are saying is only a mirror image of what others are saying.....Like I said, I love that I live in the country that I do (USA), but I understand other countries frustration with us....we are accusing them of the exact things we are accused of......atm, I believe we are the only "official" SuperPower, so they have every right to accuse.......checks and balances( for the WORLD:)

Not to disreard everyone, but the electricity went out for a few seconds and my house alarm keeps buzzing, so I have to go....good night all!!!!


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 5, 08, 21:52  #126

Ranj, this anti americism is on the decline, even if you don't see it....more countries are seeing the need to fight terrorism....and more and more people of the world are striving for democracy.... its not going to happen overnight, As far as the threats to humanity, don't even think about it or no point of living life..... just do what you want, and whatever happens, happens......if people thought about this during the cold war, with the threats of nuclear bombs looming over their heads....nothing would get accomplished....


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 5, 08, 23:43  #127

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/bloated-spineless-eu-is-bli nd-to-danger-from-islamonazis-1282449.html

This article is an opinion peace, however it provides some useful information.. Europe and especially western EU must wake up and step up to the plate.....

Granted the author of the article makes the situation seem much more dire then it really is, he does bring up some good points.


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plk123
  Feb 6, 08, 00:47  #128

sieg heil you guys! just call me "the polish menace," ok?


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 6, 08, 01:11  #129

No we will just call you "the embarrassment" not only to poland but to the entire human race...... : )


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Ranj
  Feb 6, 08, 08:18  #130

plk123 wrote:
plk123

You are such a Polish menace....lol!!!! (BTW, did your power go out? I have mine back, but am still not able to get cable....)


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plk123
  Feb 6, 08, 09:51  #131

NOPE.. POWER STILL ON.. I AM A CAPITALIST PIG.. POWER IS WHAT I LIVE FOR. :D :D j/k

and since these jokers missed it: " Hitler's propaganda machine had the German people living in fear of the Polish Menace before his stormtroopers invaded that nation." heil mattias and his gang of willy nilly invaders.


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BubbaWoo
  Feb 6, 08, 10:16  #132

tends to go wooosh over some peoples heads

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Marcus911
Edited by: Marcus911  Feb 6, 08, 10:25  #133

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BubbaWoo
Edited by: BubbaWoo  Feb 6, 08, 10:27  #134

yea shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free

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plk123
  Feb 6, 08, 12:01  #135

Marcus911 wrote:
Download, Watch, Learn and become AWAKE for the first time in your lives.


zeitgeistmovie.com


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szkotja2007
  Feb 6, 08, 12:45  #136

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 6, 08, 13:40  #137

Lay off the crack.....plk, and stop being so paranoid.....go to the muslim world and exercise your freedom of speech there..... lmao


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BubbaWoo
  Feb 6, 08, 14:52  #138

listen

the point is i was watching fabio on the tv and it suddenly occured to me that southern italy is closer to the middle east than it is to europe - this means that italians are more arabic than they are european. by default, as arabs they are obviously muslims and as such, should be persecuted

now, my question is where does this leave the polish? its just a few hours drive from norther italy to the southern borders of poland. it is not beyond reasonable doubt to think that these muslims have been breeding with polish women for decades - who should be compensated?

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Ranj
  Feb 6, 08, 15:10  #139

BubbaWoo wrote:
the point is i was watching fabio on the tv and it suddenly occured to me that southern italy is closer to the middle east than it is to europe - this means that italians are more arabic than they are european.


I KNEW FABIO WAS A TERRORIST!!!!


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BubbaWoo
  Feb 6, 08, 15:15  #140

that can only mean one thing - munich was a terrorist attack and by default, all germans are muslims. but where does this leave the polish?

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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Feb 6, 08, 15:16  #141

matthias wrote:
Lay off the crack.....plk, and stop being so paranoid.....go to the muslim world and exercise your freedom of speech there..... lmao

i am not the one who is paranoid.. you guys are dilusional though

BubbaWoo wrote:
the point is i was watching fabio on the tv and it suddenly occured to me that southern italy is closer to the middle east than it is to europe - this means that italians are more arabic than they are european. by default, as arabs they are obviously muslims and as such, should be persecuted
and poles interbred with the turks, tartars and other smelly people.


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BubbaWoo
  Feb 6, 08, 15:19  #142

and now they have infultrated the eu and no doubt have countless spleeper cells in the uk... i want compensation

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plk123
  Feb 6, 08, 15:21  #143

i'll take some pie. :D


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BubbaWoo
  Feb 6, 08, 15:25  #144

ooh, pie... now youre talking

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Seanus
  Feb 8, 08, 17:15  #145

Sth must happen. What's it's gonna look like is that Al Qaeda and the Taliban strengthened their ranks to the max and America left. Chumps!! Money not well spent. Bush should put some of his own fortune back into America for the mess he has created.


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plk123
  Feb 8, 08, 17:23  #146

Seanus wrote:
Sth must happen. What's it's gonna look like is that Al Qaeda and the Taliban strengthened their ranks to the max and America left. Chumps!! Money not well spent. Bush should put some of his own fortune back into America for the mess he has created.

the whole problem over there is that us got sidetracked (for no good reason) in irq.. i think we're screwed anyway.. US will never control afghanistan.. russians couldn't and i don't see US (nato) ever doing it either. westerners have no real idea how to deal with these people. no clue at all.


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Seanus
  Feb 8, 08, 17:25  #147

Precisely, fighting a losing battle. If u ain't gonna go straight for the terrorists, what r u there for?


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plk123
  Feb 8, 08, 19:20  #148

beating around the BUSH? lol


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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 10:30  #149

plk123 wrote:
westerners have no real idea how to deal with these people. no clue at all.



I think you are looking at the surface and not results. It was not by accident a top leader was removed. USA can only share what will not put plans in harms way. Same goes for Pakistan, the mear mention of helping allies is a death wish. Delicate situation with to say the least. Drones tell no lies.


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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 11:47  #150

The reality is that the Pakistani security forces are not well enough equipped to take out the Taliban, nor contain them. Without allied assistance, they are dead in the water. Celinski, what do u make of Obama's plan to go in against the will of Pakistani leader Musharraf? The Taliban must be laughing at the Allied Forces efforts. They are picking off the Pakistani guards like amateurs.


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