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slo
Edited by: slo  Nov 26, 07, 15:37  #1

What's going on with this World? Tensions on borders, reds rising, taliban winning,.. Not exactly what I expected from 21st century. Inbetween all this relations Poland-Ukraine is just looking good. I met a lot of Polish ppl in my life and would say that big majority were nice people, easy to understand not just because the languages are close, but mutually close. So, thank you Polish and let keep this way.

There is not so many mutual friends in Europe, Europeans are nice, but ignorant, playing too much of undercover games. We'll handle that, but having friend as Poland those days is very important to us.


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hello
  Nov 26, 07, 18:08  #2

Yes, in spite of some very rough times during the WW2, Poles seem to get along with Ukrainians nowadays.

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Grzegorz_
  Nov 26, 07, 18:19  #3

Quoting: hello
Poles seem to get along with Ukrainians nowadays.


Not bad but relations are still far from perfect.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 26, 07, 18:38  #4

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Not bad but relations are still far from perfect.


but are very good ... as to history WWII is onr thing and there were some other events in our history ...

all in all whe have the same problems with some neighbours ;) in some aspects we have simillar culture and traditions ... yes currently Ukraina is our friend


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slo
  Nov 27, 07, 10:17  #5

Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with? :-) It is technically impossible. But I am about current situation, I see that Ukrainian elite like and respect Polish. If you watch Ukrainian TV no one drops any critics to Polish policy. Of course it is possible that some issue come up, but it is not kind of tension we have everyday with Russians or Romanians. We just do not understand each other unlike Polish.


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lesser
  Nov 27, 07, 16:22  #6

Quoting: slo
Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with?

Poland never fought a war against Hungary.


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rafik
  Nov 27, 07, 17:14  #7

Quoting: lesser
Poland never fought a war against Hungary.

hungary was a part of a great austro-hungarian empire which took part in partition of poland in the 18th century...


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rafik
  Nov 27, 07, 17:22  #8

Quoting: slo
Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with? :-) It is technically impossible. But I am about current situation, I see that Ukrainian elite like and respect Polish. If you watch Ukrainian TV no one drops any critics to Polish policy. Of course it is possible that some issue come up, but it is not kind of tension we have everyday with Russians or Romanians. We just do not understand each other unlike Polish.

the current situation is quite good after our ex-president's help with your orange revolution but i don't think that it started from there.lots of people in poland feel are friendly towards ukraine and the ukrainians unlike to russians and their satelite country belarus.when i was in ukraine i felt like at home.it is strange how could we have such difficult relations in the past.


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El Gato
  Nov 27, 07, 17:26  #9

Quoting: slo
Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with? :-)


If everyone was Ned Flanders from the Simpsons the world would be one giant perfect neighbor....

:]


Quoting: rafik
when i was in ukraine i felt like at home.


Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev so it was kinda like an old home... (of course 99% of Poles know this, but I felt I had to say it non-the-less)

:P


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southern
  Nov 27, 07, 18:10  #10

I thank Serdushka.



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Grzegorz_
  Nov 27, 07, 18:27  #11

Quoting: El Gato
Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev


But that's probably not what slo really likes.


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El Gato
  Nov 27, 07, 18:31  #12

Quoting: Grzegorz_
But that's probably not what slo really likes


I know, I was just saying that we are historically a similar group of people.


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Grzegorz_
  Nov 27, 07, 19:13  #13

Yes...


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Daisy
  Nov 28, 07, 00:13  #14

Quoting: southern
I thank Serdushka.

even a trannys legs are not safe from southern's gaze ;)


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slo
Edited by: slo  Nov 28, 07, 00:14  #15

>it is strange how could we have such difficult relations in the past.

Common people, why difficult? Ukraine and Poland were in common country RP (under rule of Polish king, but also elected Senate and with strong local elites) for about 200 years and all we talk about it is last few years of break up. There was a common country for 200 years! Do you think it was only about hassle each other? I don't think so. I am sure it was not.

And you are not right, Kyiv was not a frontier of RPospolita, it was far East, Uman at least.

And Serduchla aka Andriy Danilko yeah... shaked ass of the Europe :-)


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lesser
  Nov 28, 07, 01:45  #16

Quoting: rafik
hungary was a part of a great austro-hungarian empire which took part in partition of poland in the 18th century...


This country was ruled by Austrian Hapsburg monarchy. Hungarians gained equal right just somewhere in second part of XIX century.


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southern
  Nov 28, 07, 04:21  #17

Quoting: Daisy

even a trannys legs are not safe from southern's gaze ;)


I mean in the second part of video when he puts on his glasses.
Ukrainian girls greet you.TNMK.



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rafik
  Nov 28, 07, 06:07  #18

Quoting: lesser
This country was ruled by Austrian Hapsburg monarchy. Hungarians gained equal right just somewhere in second part of XIX century.

still,technically, they took part in this awful thing..
no bad feelings though.i like hungarians,their spicy gulash and tokaj vine.when i was in tokaj i met a few nice people,drunk a few bottles of tokaj and had a great time....


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rafik
  Nov 28, 07, 06:11  #19

Quoting: El Gato
Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev so it was kinda like an old home... (of course 99% of Poles know this, but I felt I had to say it non-the-less)

i felt at home in symferopol at krym peninsula.poland didn't stretch that far(or maybe did?)i think it was the feeling about the people,food,spirit and something else.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Nov 28, 07, 13:32  #20

I just noticed

look how is Polish diplomacy/position balanced in Slavic world, now...

support to Ukraine, in the same time improving relations with Russia, more space to that what Serbs has to say in Polish online (maybe in other media, too) media

Those are my Poles.

congrats

Poland- core of Sarmatia, lead us!


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slo
  Nov 28, 07, 15:31  #21

>Poland- core of Sarmatia
:-) I Poland is still the core then Ukraine is roots of Sarmatia?


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Crow
  Nov 28, 07, 16:59  #22

Quoting: slo
>Poland- core of Sarmatia
:-) I Poland is still the core then Ukraine is roots of Sarmatia?

you know, after NATO bombardment, at least few months, Serbia looked like hole of Sarmatia

;)


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Lukasz
  Mar 31, 08, 03:36  #23

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1726240,00.html?xid=rss- topstories

(KIEV, Ukraine) — The struggle over Ukraine's bid to join NATO intensified Friday with a Polish expression of support for Kiev and a Russian offer of more cooperation in Afghanistan if the alliance shuts out both Ukraine and Georgia.


The summit is turning into a critical test for the alliance, which is split on the issue of Ukraine and Georgia. The United States, Canada and Eastern European members are backing them. Germany is leading Western European opposition and warns that granting the membership plan would torpedo hopes of improving relations with Russia.


Our meeting today confirmed that ... friendship between Poland and Ukraine is not just a motto, but it is a fact," Tusk said. He added that since both prime ministers assumed office at the end of last year, bilateral ties have acquired "new breath, new wings."



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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 31, 08, 07:17  #24

We understand why Ukrianinas welcomed Germans with flowers ... during WWII ... they thought Germans are better than Soviets ... once again they were wrong ...

http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/genocide/


At the peak of the genocide, which was in March 1933 according to Prof. Conquest, Ukrainians were dying at the rate of 25,000 per day, 1,000 per hour or 17 every minute. Estimates of the total deaths vary from 5 to 10 million but 7 million is the accepted figure. This was almost one-quarter of the population of Ukraine.



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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 31, 08, 07:59  #25

Ok I would like to notice that international situation changes dramaticly.

I think that we shouldn't sell Ukrainians for Russians. I think they should have the right to have free choice.
Russia+submissive Ukraine is problem for EU and USA and nightmare for Poland.

Polish people are the most loved nation on Ukraine. I think that Polish people don't love Ukrainians (because of some reasons) ... we have practical view on this issue and leting Russians to decide about Ukrainians is horrible mistake.

They are not mature nation and they need more time, all I want to say is that we shouldn't close doors for them just because Russians say so.


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celinski
  Mar 31, 08, 09:06  #26

Lukasz wrote:
Russia+submissive Ukraine


This is where Ukraine must decide if they want to remain independent country or Russia's puppet?


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miranda
Edited by: miranda  Mar 31, 08, 09:22  #27

slo wrote:
I met a lot of Polish ppl in my life and would say that big majority were nice people, easy to understand not just because the languages are close, but mutually close. So, thank you Polish and let keep this way.

somewhat naive description of Polish-Ukrainin relationship here. Poland has an interest in being friendly with the Ukraione, besides, Poland has no allies when I think about it. Germany? NO. Russia?-NO. Post-communist countries?-NO.


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celinski
  Mar 31, 08, 09:28  #28

miranda wrote:
Poland has no allies when I think about it


This is not true. In fact if it was not for Poland/USA tie do you even think NATO would be a question Ukraine could look at? Now that Russia is looking at the role they played in WW2 history it's just a matter of time until Ukraine must step up to bat and deal with issues left unresolved. This can bring Ukraine and Poland closer if responsability is taken.


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miranda
Edited by: miranda  Mar 31, 08, 09:38  #29

celinski wrote:
This is not true. In fact if it was not for Poland/USA tie do you even think NATO would be a question Ukraine could look at?

you need to be more clear and to the point.
celinski wrote:
Now that Russia is looking at the role they played in WW2 history it's just a matter of time until Ukraine must step up to bat and deal with issues left unresolved. This can bring Ukraine and Poland closer if responsibility is taken.

I am not talking about that and your reading comprehension is really dissapointing. I suggested that Poland really has no choice when it comes to allies at present. The least risky associations are the ones formed with Ukraine. There is enough common interest for both of the ocuntries to form some kind of friendship. I was not the case 50 years ago. Love for Ukraine flurished amongs Poles but is not genuine, rather interest oriented. I am not even talking about the unresolved issues. I am looking at the presetn situation. Poland is scared (and rightly so) of Russia. Hey, I am just being realistic;)


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celinski
  Mar 31, 08, 11:21  #30

miranda wrote:
Poland is scared (and rightly so) of Russia.


I would say Poland is standing up to Russia, NATO/EU/Missle Shield, Ukraine on the other hand?


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