Third World War and the role of Poland

Mark's and Spark's Tanktop division

They would be destroyed even before they would call for a debate in EU parliament to discuss this issue :)


If something like this happens Poland should immediately proclaim neutrality.

i'm sorry but Churchill warned EVERYBODY about Stalin but they didn't listen, don't lay this one on Churchill because he could already foresee what would happen with Stalin :)

agreed :)


what are they, the turnip busters, lol :)


I think your correct there probably the most valuable thing you can offer

Actually Churchill was a very interesting and tragic figure of WWII. He criticized Chamberlain for his appeasement politics towards Hitler just to do the same later on with Stalin. It's worth writing that in contrary to English post WWI government he was very pro Polish and very pro any other new established countries in the between the wars period. For example during the Polish Bolshevik war he convinced British government to send some aid for the polish army. Unfortunately, this aid never reached its destination as the English Dockers sabotage it, but that's just a whole different story.

Still despite his positive attitude towards Poles and Poland he did lead a very double faced politics towards them. He perfectly knew about Stalin’s plans regarding Poland, which BTW Stalin was always open about. He cold have stopped cooperation between our two nations when The Soviets joined the Allies, but he didn't want to gave up on Polish intelligence, polish soldiers both abroad and in the home army, etc so he continued to deceive Polish government and avoid answering the question what will happen with Poland after the end of WWII. We can't blame him of bad will towards us. As most English men, he was a pragmatic. His responsibility was to protect his fellow country men and not some people of central (or as it seem these days, eastern) Europe and it was obvious that any form of attack on Russia at that time would be suicidal. We can't blame him for protecting his people, however I don't think it is too much to ask to understand, that after so many promises being made by him during the BOB and after sacrificing so much, my grandfather and other polish soldiers of that time felt bitter, abandoned and betrayed.

As for Americans selling us out, we never had any treat signed between our governments nor did Roosevelt ever promised us anything, so I don't think that we can talk here about "selling us out". (I'm also against saying that the UK sold us out BTW)

Taking under consideration today’s Poland, I'm sure you are right. I was just expressing my point of view and what I think would be the best for Poland, and declaring war against Russia would definitely be a very foolish thing to do.

The whole idea about a USA vs China/Russia/Iran armed conflict seems pretty much surreal, especially the UK joining in part (such recklessness is not their style), but if it would be the case, than to declare war against Russia would mean that on the territory of Poland there would be one of possible fronts. At this point emerges a question, do you think that the UK and USA would send their troops to defend, strategic-wise, not a very important point like Poland? I think that history gives us a hint how the whole situation could have turned out. :)

Basically, I would do what Americans did during WWII: sit back and watch how the major players bleed themselves out... Risking the lives of millions of innocent civilians and the state of economy for dubious honor of standing in the front line isn't a good business at all. The only thing that we would gain by doing so would be earlier mentioned honor and fame, which as history shows us, doesn’t last long. After 60 years or so, our grand children mentioning our heroic deeds would be probably called backward and accused of living in the past any way. LOL :)) So what's the point?

Indeed, there was no official treaty before the war, but there were promisory agreements struck during WW2.

Oh, and that cute photo of Roosevelt in front of the map of Poland with 1939 borders. But then, it was only an election photo op, with about 6 million Polish voters at stake. These were the voters unaware that Roosevelt had already turned his back on Poland.

So yes, I'd say the USA did sell Poland, or (if you prefer) betrayed it.

what, churchill was mute after WW2?

lost his tongue?

poland was sold out by both the USA and UK.

God help those whom America protects.

It's the first time I hear about it. Very interesting indeed.




I prefer the word deluded. :)

... considering that they already atacked Slavic world- we should arange that it is their last mistake

So...

First, liberation of Lusatia

Second, liberation of all territories that are still under Turkish occupation

Then, who want Slavic Alliance/Union form Slavic Alliance/Union, who doesn`t wish Slavic Alliance/Union, never mind


All, who would support those goals would be definitely on the same side as Serbs

I don't think they want to be liberated any more.

If our brothers decide, who are we to judge. Only what we can do is to support them, there is no question about it

Look how so called West using double standards when spred its influence all over the world. They say that they spread democracy, human rights, multiculturalism but, that`s not true. Their greedy fingers are just in conquest for more and more resources.

I ask ... What if, by anology, when Slavic world consolidates, we start to spread freedom, democracy, human rights, multiculturalism all over the Europe from where our ancestors and culture was brutaly pushed and destroyed. If that happened, it would be by their standards and spiritual victory is already ours.

and, look brate what Lusatians say... they already, in agony, call us...

Lusatian State
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Sons of Poland, brothers! In the name of Christ, give chance to Russians, support them in their attempts to consolidate Russia, give chance that Slavdom survive and that Slavic children rule under Slavic resources, on behalf of whole free and progresive humankind.

Surrender your life to Slavdom, soul to Christ and honor to nobody!


Put Serbian (of all European Serbs) question on European table and push back any German atempt to expand further onto Slavic territories!

Free Lusatia!

Revange for Yugoslavia!

Slavia!

Oh I think that such problem (on which side Poland ought to be) won't appear before this country, because in any case it will be crushed at first seconds of fight.

we have enuff people here in the uk to fight for us ie we are inundated with foreigners so if there prepared to live here and make money here then they will be more than willing to protect us of course I am english and i would expect to be in the back line to fight

Why you said that and in that tone? It`s ugly and nasty. What then Serbs need to expect, if you Russians behave like this with Poles?

`I was` spiritualy already in Lusatia and you pushing me back in idiotic Russian-Polish antagonism. You want that Serbs extinct waiting that you solwe all your problems?

I call you Russians to be aware of historic momentum and stop to behave like that other Slavs depend on you. We have feed-back, we are first line and Russia also depend on rest of Slavic world. Russia is stong only because Russia has Slavs on western and southern borders! ... and, we bleed and you make jokes just to prove how `grandioso` you are!

please, please

the same as Russia

You know what, if Russians don`t change their attitude, they would alone realy s*** Russia. They even don`t need any foes.

Greedy anglo-saxon and german (etc) fingers just wait to grab enormous resources for themselves. Truth is that only in cooperation between Russia and rest of Slavic world, those resources could be preserved for future Russians and other Slavs.

We need each others, its obvious to me but, how to beat f**** stupidity?!

it is not importsnt thst this time the good guys must be the alliance. As we know the world is (the majority of the world) tired of the american ways. Maybe this time, the new union might get more support? as their agenda can be morality, equality and no aparthied on science (as i recently was hearing). and many more issues.

remember its not a racist union (like axis), its a union mostly wanting to get over the alliance (or some alliance) power (as many alliance powers might shift sides towards the union).

The third world was is not impossible, when china and russia (tired of usa) is constantly looking to make something happen, so that there is an opportunity for them to be number 1! many country would like to join such an alliance, no matter who the next super power be...it is just human nature to bring about change.

i am not against anyone :P , but interested what will poland see in its wake.

Oh I would be very glad if you give me some historic examples when Poland supported us....Could you?

It would be difficult to provide examples of when the Poles SHOULD have supported Russia? Often Russia seems to set itself up in opposition to its neighbours rather than seeking allegiances with them, even now with economic boycotts against Georgia, against Ukraine, against Estonia, against Poland.
Russia must be a difficult country to love if you're a neighbour.

But why we ought to negotiate with such countries which so hostil against us?

Surely they are the very people you should be negotiating with.

Russia is in a good position in terms of natural resources but it shouldnt get carried away. Economically Russia is still a small country however you measure it. Its corruption, internal political situation combined with its treament of its neighbours makes it a very unnattractive place to invest or do business.

After decades of occupation of those countries by Russia and ruthless policies during the occupation, I am not quite sure what would you expect of those countries? Invite Russia and bend over to get ****ed again? Didn't the Russians kill enough Slavs and Balts? Would you have an appetite for more?

Well but who will help us in our evolution? Estonia? Poland? May be Georgia? Ha-ha....heap of hungry european ragamuffins....Unfortunately, you can only preach us with only one idea in your head, how to steal easily our natural rscorces....

YES!!!! Say us that you are RUSSIANS too, and you will be safe!

Personally I dont think the UK would want to be involved, we dont even want to be in iraq!

Hopefully we would sit that one out - let someone else do the hard work for a change - lets face it we get no thanks for anything we have done in the past!!!! just my 2p worth!

what did you do in the past?

But Poles are not Russians, and few Poles will lie they are in order to satisfy the Russian bully. Poles have always cherished freedom, and I can't see Poles succumbing to the кацап

darius was a persian, which is in modern day iran :). Modern say iran is a union between the Medes and Persians (basically people of the Fars).

Iranians are a union of Medes and Fars, a member of the 'Proto-Indo-Iranian nation'. They (North Indians, Pakistan, South Afghanistan, and Modern day Iran) are all but the same people (apart from religious differences). Same culture and more or less same race (even looks alike, with different shades of basically the same color).

My point is, how come you are so much concerned about Poland :), and sound like in favour of the west (a traditional/historical foe of Proto-Indo-Iranians). The Arabs are a different race all together (semitic people). :)

Medes though as more mixed with the caucasians...so they are just within this racial division (proto-indo-iranian/aryan). But then, they together formed a country (capturing some other lands around them...historically northern parts of India and southern parts of afghanistan were either cousins to them, or a part of their mainland).