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Third World War and the role of Poland


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ConstantineK
  Oct 25, 07, 02:46  #61

Quoting: z_darius
Quoting: ConstantineK
YES!!!! Say us that you are RUSSIANS too, and you will be safe!
But Poles are not Russians, and few Poles will lie they are in order to satisfy the Russian bully. Poles have always cherished freedom, and I can't see Poles succumbing to the кацап


So you do no have any desire to be Russian? Hemmm, it's sounds oddly.....You upset me....Well but dont say me please that you want to be a Poles!!!

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joepilsudski
  Oct 26, 07, 17:40  #62

Poland should declare complete nuetrality, like Switzerland, and offer Polish banks as a safe haven for capital, so that there is an alternative to Zionist banks...of course, Poland would probably have to insure it has at least some nuclear weapons to guarantee it's own security...does Poland have at least a basic nuclear program of it's own?

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Frank
  Oct 26, 07, 17:43  #63

Quoting: joepilsudski
Poland should declare complete nuetrality, like Switzerland, and offer Polish banks as a safe haven for capital, so that there is an alternative to Zionist banks...of course, Poland would probably have to insure it has at least some nuclear weapons to guarantee it's own security...does Poland have at least a basic nuclear program of it's own?



Love your sense of humour.....lack of realism.......or both....:)


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randompal
  Oct 26, 07, 17:44  #64

Quoting: joepilsudski
Poland should declare complete nuetrality, like Switzerland, and offer Polish banks as a safe haven for capital

impossible because neutrality is for countries that are strong and cohesive internally, like Switzerland or Sweden, Poland has usually been seen as weak and therefore easily manipulated. First the Russians raped us blind (but there were plenty of Poles who were happy to help in exchange for cushy party positions) and now Uncle Scam ownz us
:(
Poland's banks are mostly foreign-owned, your safe haven scheme will never work..


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z_darius
  Oct 26, 07, 17:44  #65

Quoting: joepilsudski
does Poland have at least a basic nuclear program of it's own?

Yes. Nuclear physics is taught at some Polish universities.


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Frank
  Oct 26, 07, 17:48  #66

Quoting: Matyjasz
As for Americans selling us out, we never had any treat signed between our governments nor did Roosevelt ever promised us anything, so I don't think that we can talk here about "selling us out". (I'm also against saying that the UK sold us out BTW)


I think you'll find the USA sold everyone out to the higgest bidder...ie the bled the UK dry of every last penny...their isolationsim green lighted the facists and communists in Europe to wage war, destroy and ruin whole countries and races........


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joepilsudski
  Oct 26, 07, 17:57  #67

Quoting: randompal
impossible because neutrality is for countries that are strong and cohesive internally, like Switzerland or Sweden, Poland has usually been seen as weak and therefore easily manipulated. First the Russians raped us blind (but there were plenty of Poles who were happy to help in exchange for cushy party positions) and now Uncle Scam ownz us
:(
Poland's banks are mostly foreign-owned, your safe haven scheme will never work..

It was just a thought...maybe you could elaborate a little...is there internal disunity in Poland and why?...is Poland being overun by illegal immigrants who are threatening Polish culture & unity?...also, what are the big banks in Poland & do Poles own them?...
the biggest problem in the US currently is the banking system, which is owned by the Elites/Zionists...they, and their economic 'planners' have bled the US almost dry, and many of us are waiting for, shall we say, the 'clampdown'.

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randompal
  Oct 26, 07, 19:13  #68

Quoting: joepilsudski
is there internal disunity in Poland and why?...

yes, because people here drink too much alcohol and the politicians are corrupt opportunisitc maggots
Quoting: joepilsudski
is Poland being overun by illegal immigrants

no not yet thank God but I have noticed more and more Gypsy types lately-panhandling is their prefered activity
Quoting: joepilsudski
what are the big banks in Poland & do Poles own them?...

Millenium, BGŻ, Lukasbank, Mbank, PKO SA - I dont know if they are owned by zionists or by aliens but they are bleeding us dry!
Quoting: joepilsudski
many of us are waiting for, shall we say, the 'clampdown'.

why are you waiting, just leave for greener pastures you fool


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joepilsudski
  Oct 28, 07, 14:23  #69

Quoting: Frank
Quoting: Matyjasz
As for Americans selling us out, we never had any treat signed between our governments nor did Roosevelt ever promised us anything, so I don't think that we can talk here about "selling us out". (I'm also against saying that the UK sold us out BTW)


Of course the Americans and the Brits did...in the case of Roosevelt and his 'advisors' it was already decided that the Soviet Union was to take control of Eastern Europe, including Poland...there was a heavy penetration of Communists into the US Government
before, during & after WWII...in the case of Britain, the Polish provisional or Home government was resident in the UK throughout the war, and they were given assurances that they would be the legitimate government in Poland after the war...when
Stalin and the communists objected, the Allies completely caved in and allowed Stalin to put apparatchiks like Berman in power...how do you define who wins a war?...one of the
primary definitions is the aquisition of territory...now who gained territory after WWII?...
the communists/bolshevists as represented by the Soviet Union, who made Eastern Europe their 'satellite' states...also Israel, who took over Palestine...Poland regained so-called independence, but under the control of communism, which shifted Poland's border westward, taking territory from Germany, and annexing Polish territory in the East.

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joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 28, 07, 14:27  #70

Quoting: randompal
why are you waiting, just leave for greener pastures you fool

It is not so easy, because of money...do you think that Poland would be a good place for me to relocate to?...I would be interested, but I don't have, say 5000-10000 Euros in
my account to be able to make a reasonable start there...but maybe I wouldn't need that much?

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Puzzler
  Oct 28, 07, 14:49  #71

Quoting: Learner
Bush spoke about the possibility of starting a Third world War with Russia, Iran and China in one side, and Israel, USA and UK in the other


- Did he really speak so? Can you give the source you got your news from?

Quoting: Learner
what will be the role of poland?


- And who is supposed to direct the farce?

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Kataryna
Edited by: Kataryna  Oct 28, 07, 15:02  #72

My brother is a US Pilot. He was in Iraq for 1 year. He flew and hung out with Polish Pilots and soldiers. He said that they are the best he's ever seen. A funny story to share:

One of his guys was in a mole hole in the black of night, it was a rather large hole, but he thought he was alone. He was getting fired at and crouched down. He pulled out a cigarette and tried to light it with a matche. The match blew out. He lit another one and again in blew out. A moment later, in a thick Polish accent, he heard a woman's voice say "don't do that again". He was in the hole with a woman Polish sniper and her spotter. I can just imagine his shock when he realized he wasn't alone and that he was sharing he hole with a very, very good shooter.

Thought I'd share.


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Kataryna
  Oct 28, 07, 15:08  #73

Quoting: Puzzler
Did he really speak so? Can you give the source you got your news from?


Not exactly what Bush said:

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID =2007-10-17T183310Z_01_N17329743_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-IRAN-BUSH-COL.XML


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joepilsudski
  Oct 28, 07, 15:57  #74

No, Bush would probably not come straight out and say such a thing; there is tremendous opposition to his gangster Iraqi policy in the US, and the feeling on the part of many Americans that we have become a puppet state of the Zionists...the UK is/has been since the beginning of the 20th Century...but consider this: there have been reports of a recent air strike by Israel on a Syrian nuclear facility...this has been reported by Haaretz (Israeli nespaper) and by some media in the states...Haaretz reported that Bush was aware of the attack, but pledged to keep quiet about it.

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Crnogorac
  Oct 28, 07, 17:56  #75

Only naive fools expect evenhandedness, impartiality and justice from the great powers.

Only naive fools.


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tornado2007
  Oct 28, 07, 18:04  #76

Quoting: King Sobieski

what, churchill was mute after WW2?

lost his tongue?

poland was sold out by both the USA and UK.

churchill probably lost his tongue because he was fed up of warning people and falling on deaf ears :)


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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Oct 29, 07, 03:09  #77

The truth is Churchill cared for nothing but Britain. The lives, homes and cultures of non-Britons he took and destroyed without a care or second thought. What sort of 'conservatism' requires the murder of millions of defenseless innocents? That Churchill committed war crimes—planned them, aided and abetted them, and defended them—is beyond doubt. Churchill was the prime subverter through two world wars of the rules of warfare that had evolved in the West over centuries. Winston Churchill was a man who along with Roosevelt, Hitler and Stalin, probed just how far Western Civilization could fall in just six short years of time.

Wedemeyer's remarks about Yugoslavia were on the mark. On this issue, Churchill rejected the advice of his own Foreign Office, depending instead on information provided especially by the head of the Cairo office of the SOE the Special Operations branch headed by a Communist agent named James Klugman. Churchill withdrew British support from the Loyalist guerrilla army of General Mihailovic and threw it to the Communist Partisan leader Tito. What a victory for Tito would mean was no secret to Churchill. When Fitzroy Maclean was interviewed by Churchill before being sent as liaison to Tito, Maclean observed that, under Communist leadership, the Partisans'
ultimate aim would undoubtedly be to establish in Jugoslavia a Communist regime closely linked to Moscow. How did His Majesty's Government view such an eventuality? . . . Mr. Churchill's reply left me in no doubt as to the answer to my problem. So long, he said, as the whole of Western civilization was threatened by the Nazi menace, we could not afford to let our attention be diverted from the immediate issue by considerations of long-term policy. . . . Politics must be a secondary consideration.

It would be difficult to think of a more frivolous attitude to waging war than considering "politics" to be a "secondary consideration."
Churchill threw British support to the Communist Partisan leader Tito. What a victory for Tito would mean was no secret to Churchill.

As for the "human costs" of Churchill's policy, when an aide pointed out that Tito intended to transform Yugoslavia into a Communist dictatorship on the Soviet model, Churchill retorted: "Do you intend to live there?"


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orzel
Edited by: orzel  Nov 2, 07, 01:52  #78

Quoting: randompal
the role of Poland will be one big-ass target because now the world thinks for sure that we are gutless lovers of whatever garbage the USA shoves down our throats. Secret CIA jails? No problem! Send troops to invade Iraq? No problem! Send troops to Afghanistan (even though every other country on earth filed to pacify it)? Yes please! Pointless anti-missile rockets? Why the hell not, we agreed to literally everything else!!


How true. We are the america's sock puppet.

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