A thought on Poland!

...a big guy creeps up behind a smaller guy and beats the crap out of him -
leaving him for dead - and steals his belongings.

After a long painful recovery the smaller guy bumps into the big guy
in a bar. The people in the bar talk to the big guy and finally persuade
him to return the small guys belongings. Reluctantly the big guy hands
over the smaller guys things.

" There you go " says the big guy " Now say thank you... "

Erm...just a little question...it's neither the original big guy nor the original smaller guy but rather their grandsons....how long does the grandson of the smaller guy still want to pout ?

Quoting Ogorek from another thread: "There is no reason why Russia and Poland should not get along. However - for them to do so - they have to forgive and forget the bad history. Too much hidden hatred still exists e.g. Katyn - the war in 1920 etc. They should all sit around a table - get drunk - and it'll all come out in a flood of tears...
then it will be ok..."

This drinking at the table.....is it for Russia only, or can others come to the party?

Biggest cave :))) LOL and all the stoneware we want.. and new clubs in case the
alpha male gets out of line... lol

Interesting....

*remembers fondly the party yesterday in puzzlers home*

OK, here is a question for you: which generation are you, in your family, that you still feel you are being blamed for something that happened a long time before you were born?

Other side of same coin...

Hmmm...being blamed....I don't know if that is the right wording....

You know I'm the third generation...it was my grandpa and his brothers who fighted in the Wehrmacht and it was my Grandma and her family who got expelled from the eastern Territories...in that case a "typical" german past (I told you before, didn't I?)

I always decided for myself to take the whole cake that is Germany as my heritage...the Good AND the BAD...not only Goethe and Schiller but also Hitler too...but since I was born so much later I don't feel actually personally attacked or blamed for what happened.

The problem is that using the old style propaganda with calling today politicians as Nazis and...and...and...is just wrong and it is used/misused/abused to gain some advantage.
As if at the mere mention of something from the third Reich every German will be shocked and feel guilty and of course cave in to every demand...even now more than 60 years later.

And that has nothing to do with war guilt or hurt feelings or reconciliation but everything with plain cold blooded calculating manipulation!
That has nothing to do with being upstanding, fight for the rights, honesty and all that blah...sorry!

Ok, well that's good to hear....it can be very damaging to carry all of that


I don't know if I want to get into what's wrong or right or misused/abused, but I think the old feelings mostly GET IN THE WAY of future progress. At the same time I want to be sensitive to feelings that people have, because that is their reality.
This is not a clear cut issue is it? It is one that, as Patti said, has to heal in time, on its own. And it will. New generations are born everyday.....time marches on.

...the grandson walks down the street with his grandad who limps - crippled by
his previous trauma. But - with a smile he tries to make the best of what
dignity he has left. The grandson of the bigger guy walks past. The smaller
grandson makes an effort to aknowledge the bigger - who in return calls them
both dirty car thieves.

yeah like the bumps those cave guys got for pulling our hair lol.... men!!

You are referring here to "stolen lands"? or what?

(You really like allegory don't you! :)

Maybe you could explain Bratwurst?

Sorry picture...really...:(

But do you have an idea what Austrians and Germans call each other...scratch that...what Bavarians and Prussians (as in Berliners) call each other???

:)

The ol time were the best! So uncomplicated! :)

What explain? Car thieves?

No...that is really meaned as in car thieves...

....yeah but they don't really mean it.

The bigger guy thinks lesser of the crippled and his grandson. basically what hes
saying is, that the germans think lesser of the Polish.. they are superior. so even
though the grandson tried to acknowledge this bigger man, he still thought less of
both and was biased in his telling them they both were dirty car theives ?

just a guess, but its kinda what I am getting out of it..

Times are different. Things are more complicated than before. Everything has to change: politics, people, trade, communications, travel. Change is inevitable.
What is important is to find meaning and value in life as it goes rushing by!

yes, has nothing to do with whos better, has to do with what you make of it and
the quality of your life.. Share, respect, love .. * Puts on her flower child hat*

love one another :) owwwwwwwwwuuuuuuugahhhhhhhhhh..

:) :) :) :) :) :) (lots of smilies)

Girls!

:)

You think the Poles don't like Germans because they think Germans feel superior to them?

What would you advise then?

*looks hopefully to flower hat*

:)))) we have to overcome it.. * grabs a pepsi and hands one to shopgirl *

no drinking tonight for me though.. work tomorrow :)))) LOL

Behave as if there were no negative attitudes, even if they exist.
Meaning...acknowledging and participating in a power struggle of any kind adds your energy, focus, time (whatever) to the problem....making it bigger and stronger.

Did you ever see the sci fi movie "the 5th element"?

*sips hot coffee*

I'm onto work in few hours too...

thanks sweetie :)

or we could sing the old "have coke and a smile song" from the old commericals :D

Ach shopgirl...You are da best! :)

Ok, well Crow was going on about it one day so I watched...

There is this big ball of "evil" heading toward earth and the military try to intercept it.
They decide to fire on it with some heavy duty attack weapons. This little priest tells them not to do it, because they can't destroy it, and it will make it more powerful if they attack it.

Does the military listen? Of course not! They fire at it with everything they have and it just swells up and gets humongous. Now they have an ever "bigger" problem.

And that my friend, is how a little sci fi movie can produce an element of truth :)

Apropos there is right now a rerun of Die hard with Bruce Willis....he is of german heritage too....I think I resemble him a bit....*grin*

I loved this movie...but than I like Milla Jovovitch too! :)

But my fav scene was with the alien opera singer...