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delphiandomineThreads: 42
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peterweg:
Arn't the airlines supposed to give you a discount if its to attend a funeral?


Quite the opposite, these days.

I'm still very confused why he was charged over $1000 and was flying via WAW when all the online trip planners give prices (for peak, peak times) of around $400-600 return for flights via the big European hubs - LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA
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In the US if you have documents showing you're traveling to a funeral an airline might use the bereavement clause and offer you a discounted ticket to/from but only if there are seats still available (usually it's a last minute call). I know several coworkers who've flown on other carriers to their loved ones' funerals.
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Poland’s national carrier, LOT Polish Airlines has been given the go-ahead by Russian authorities to fly over Siberia, with more Asian destinations planned for 2012 as a result.
The opening up of Siberian airspace has meant that LOT is planning to open routes when the airline takes delivery of Boeing’s 787 Dreamliners next year. Also Russian national carrier Aeroflot will open another route to Poland, to Krakow's Balice airport from Moscow-Sheremetyevo as of June 1, 2012.
http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/58606,Siberia-opens-airspace-for-LO T-airlines
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Why does everyone seem to hate LOT Polish Airlines???
Um, because their pilots can land planes without wheels?
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PennBoy:
delivery of Boeing’s 787 Dreamliners next year.



With wheels as standard.
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time means:
With wheels as standard.

Yea..and a whole lot more. A look at what LOT is getting.
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Well, they've certainly improved their website since the last time I booked directly with them (a few years ago).

They even beat Expedia on price now, which was rarely the case before.

Cheaper tickets, seat selection at the time of booking, online check-in... and pilots who can land without wheels... what more could you want? :) If you don't like it, you could always use an American airline instead :p
drk  Feb 4, 12, 03:39    #248
I have taken a flight from Munich to Warsaw on LOT last year and be quite honest I was very immpressed with the service on the ground and in the air. Flight attendats were very friendly and attentive, inside the cabin clean and lot of leg room, in economy class. I don't know what type of aircraft it was but I remember it had two engines near tail section right in the back.
Zman  Feb 4, 12, 04:26    #249
LOT is ok. My worst experience were most recently US carriers. DC to Amsterdam was a disaster!!!
hello59  Feb 23, 12, 04:00    #250
it's because that there airplanes don't have every seat tvs and that some americans only speak english and its hard for the flight crew to understand.
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hello59:
t's because that there airplanes don't have every seat tvs and that some americans only speak english and its hard for the flight crew to understand.

Not everyone is bothered for watching TV on a flight and the flight attendants on international flights speak good English.

A bigger issue with flights to and from Poland (not just LOT) is the bizarre behaviour of passengers at the gate. That I suppose is an issue for the airports.
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JonnyM:
A bigger issue with flights to and from Poland (not just LOT) is the bizarre behaviour of passengers at the gate. That I suppose is an issue for the airports.


seriously, yes.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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JonnyM:
A bigger issue with flights to and from Poland (not just LOT) is the bizarre behaviour of passengers at the gate.


What do you mean?
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delphiandomine:
What do you mean?

What do you mean "what do you mean"? Polish people are very pushy at the airports, they complain about the baggage, they push with their elbows not allowing you to get near the carousel, they look at what you're wearing and criticize your clothes, they are loud, rude and seam very uncivilized. You can tell right away they are Polish. In O'hare they have 20 huge suitcases, they wear leather jackets, women have high heels, they look like they are better than everybody else and get mad if you accidentaly touch them or smile to them. They never smile and always look mad about something.
Went to London last year, a very unpleasant Polish woman worker at the airport was very rude and snotty and didn't want to help with anything.
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tygrys:
What do you mean "what do you mean"? Polish people are very pushy at the airports, they complain about the baggage, they push with their elbows not allowing you to get near the carousel, they look at what you're wearing and criticize your clothes, they are loud, rude and seam very uncivilized. You can tell right away they are Polish. In O'hare they have 20 huge suitcases, they wear leather jackets, women have high heels, they look like they are better than everybody else and get mad if you accidentaly touch them or smile to them. They never smile and always look mad about something.
Went to London last year, a very unpleasant Polish woman worker at the airport was very rude and snotty and didn't want to help with anything.



That is pretty bang on. However, O'Hare is a clusterf*ck and all the people are rude, particularly those who work there. In Canada, since the RCMP killed Robert Dzienkanski- there are now Polish attendants on hand in Toronto when Lot lands to help those flying in. Same with the many Asian groups flying in to Vancouver- there is a translator waiting for them. At O'Hare it is a bunch of under educated rednecks working the airport with too much power that treat people like garbage.
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I caught a flight to Warsaw recently from an airport (Ataturk) where a lot of the gates are quite close together and lead off a long concourse. Right at the start of the concourse, from several hundred metres away, I could see which was the one for the Warsaw flight.

Before people even needed to go to the gate, most of the passengers were standing in a huge scrum as if they were trying to force their way through. Almost all the passengers were standing, despite there being plenty of seats at the gate. This was over an hour before take-off. This is not unusual. I have caught well over a hundred flights to Poland down the years and see this every time.

I've often wondered why people do this - perhaps they think there won't be enough seats and the plane will go without them or someone will have to stand. You used to get the same (and even sometimes far worse) at Victoria Coach Station until they had to move departures to Poland to part of the station where that behaviour was less of a safety risk. This only concerned journeys to Poland.

By the time we got on the plane, tempers were already flaring and by the time people got on the plane a couple were almost fighting over stowed luggage. During the flight too, some of them were giving the flight attendants hassle over meals, drinks etc. And yes, some of them clapped when the plane landed.

This was a strong example (especially the onboard stuff) but the thing about airport gates is entirely normal in my experience of flights to and from Poland. By far the worst are cheap flights on low-cost airlines. This always happens and is not only deeply uncomfortable but is also dangerous. My elderly mother was caught up in such a scrum at the gates at Gdansk airport not long ago and fainted. The staff were very helpful and forced people back to give first aid etc, but the passengers would just have trampled over her in their insane panic if the staff hadn't intervened.

The question is, why does this happen? What is the psychology behind this strange and annoying behaviour that makes a straightforward journey far worse?
Youknowwho  Feb 24, 12, 15:33    #257
tygrys:
Went to London last year, a very unpleasant Polish woman worker at the airport was very rude and snotty and didn't want to help with anything.

Kudos to her for recognizing a prick.
JonnyM:
My elderly mother was caught up in such a scrum at the gates at Gdansk airport not long ago and fainted.

Well,it seems that your elderly mother exhibit similar behaviour you accuse Poles of.Let me tell you son,I am Polish and I am usually the last passenger boarding the plane.The reason for that is that I a I mainly fly trans Atlantic routes and I know that I will be sitting on this plane long enough to become sick of it.I also know that they won't leave without me and if they will I will make sure to be compensated.I haven't noticed the behaviour you accuse Poles of on my last FRA-POZ flight either even though the plane was full of Poles (it was a small plane though Embraer 43 or something).
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What fainting due to being crushed in a stampede?

Remember I've flown to and from Poland, including transatlantic flights, probably far more often than you ever will, Angry Person, and have seen this bizarre behaviour every time without exception.
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JonnyM:
The question is, why does this happen?

Good question!
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JonnyM
The question is, why does this happen? What is the psychology behind this strange and annoying behaviour that makes a straightforward journey far worse?

I actually was completely unaware that Poles used aeroplanes. I thought the National Express coaches were their only means of travel. Do Polish people actually fly then?

I suppose all this technology is difficult to get to grips with at first and that they will settle down once they enter Western civilization and see that it is quite normal to use planes as a mode of transport.
Youknowwho  Feb 24, 12, 16:55    #261
JonnyM:
What fainting due to being crushed in a stampede?

See the point is that if she was just chilling like I do when people start boarding the plane there wouldn't be chance in hell for her being crushed in the stampede.So,I will repeat in case you did not get it the first time YOUR MAMA EXHIBITS THE EXACTLY SAME BEHAVIOUR YOU ACCUSE OTHERS (THE POLES) OF.That makes your thesis a garbage son,unless of course your mama is Polish.
Youknowwho  Feb 24, 12, 17:09    #262
oxon:
I actually was completely unaware that Poles used aeroplanes. I thought the National Express coaches were their only means of travel. Do Polish people actually fly then?

Surprise,surprise,yes we do fly.Contrary to you I am completely aware of how ignorant regarding our wonderfull world the Brits are,therefore I always treat them with disregard,as it's obvious to me that their level of intelligence is well beneath mine.
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Zman:
LOT is ok. My worst experience were most recently US carriers. DC to Amsterdam was a disaster!!!


Same here. Flew quite a few times with kids, without kids, alone, with others, pregnant, not pregnant. LOT was not a problem. The US carrier I flew with though? Never again.
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oxon:
Do Polish people actually fly then?

Since 1970s the domestic flights have had their fair share of the market.
Also, as nowadays the rail connections become more and more expensive (and less and less reliable) Eurolot seems to be taking over.

JonnyM:
The question is, why does this happen?

I have always thought it happened only to Ryanair flights as they did not assign any seats to the passengers and everyone wanted to be the first one on board to get their window / aisle sea, whatever the preference was. Not to mention the fact that there is never enough space for everyone's luggage.

Why on earth this should happen to a flight that operates in a civilised manner (ie. allows people select their seats during booking / check in procedures) is beyond my comprehension.
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Actually, 'youknowwho' the lady was walking slowly with a stick after having sat peacefully for a while. So stop trolling.

The bizarre behaviour of Poles at airport gates is something I have heard people comment on time after time. The fact that it happens isn't in dispute, the question is why it happens.
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I wouldn't fly with a carrier that doesn't allow elderly, disabled and families to board first. I'd also never fly with a carrier that doesn't assign seats to at least some extent.
warszawa-angole  Feb 24, 12, 18:48    #267
ladykangaroo:
I have always thought it happened only to Ryanair flights as they did not assign any seats to the passengers and everyone wanted to be the first one on board


Have you ever actually booked through their site? They DO allow seat selection at booking time. Stop trolling.


polishmama:
I wouldn't fly with a carrier that doesn't allow elderly, disabled and families to board first.


It may be less polite, but it would make more sense to give priority to passengers seated furthest away from the entrance, irrespective of who they are.


JonnyM:
The bizarre behaviour of Poles at airport gates is something I have heard people comment on time after time. The fact that it happens isn't in dispute, the question is why it happens.


In my experience, by far the worst were Russians and Chinese mainlanders :)
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warszawa-angole:
It may be less polite, but it would make more sense to give priority to passengers seated furthest away from the entrance, irrespective of who they are.


I could see why you would think that but since those ppl take the longest to settle in, it makes more sense time wise to let them on first, otherwise, it would take forever to take off. imo.
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warszawa-angole:
They DO allow seat selection at booking time

Yes, for the last 3 months or so. For additional charge.
Before that the best you could do was buy "priority boarding". Which actually was quite a hillarious invention - at many airports you got into "priority queue" of 10-15 people, got through the gate as one of the first - and then ended up in a bus that was waiting for the rest of the passengers to take everyone to the plane somewhere at the far side of the airport. The whole thing was highly surreal.



warszawa-angole:
Stop trolling.

I could and should say exactly the same about your post here :]
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oxon:
once they enter Western civilization

what civilization ?can you fly a plane ? Can you build one ?Are you civil ?No , no and no !
What civilization are you talking about ?prick-land?

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