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mode101uk  Sep 14, 06, 10:52    #1
Hi there,

Just back from Krakow, was there for 10 days. Had a good time but 10 days far too long definately a long weekend destination. Weather was great, food was great and everthing so cheap. Went to the Wieliczka Salt Mine, Auschwitz-Birkenau and the fantastic local zoo all were brilliant. We used public transport to do all the trips but did not find it easy to get info on times of buses/departure points etc luckily we had purchased a decent guide book before going. You can do organised tours but quite expensive and unfortunately dont bother going to the tourist info offices dotted about as they have next to nothing in English. One thing to buy is the latest copy of 'Karnet' which has some things in it in english.
Also try and take in the Krakow Tour Bus which you can hop on/off all day.


Never had a bad meal-food was really good. All the restaurant/bars we went into were great including The Bull Pub,Nic Nowego, Poz Zlota Pipa, Sioux Steak House, Piccolo Mondo, Restaurant Wierzynek and Pod Krzyzykiem to name a few and then there is lots more great places in the Jewish quarter.

Only downside to the holiday was that I found a lot of the polish people were quite ignorant/arrogant and never crack a smile. Have travelled to other countries where the locals dont know much(if any) english and i dont know much of theirs but through a lot of pointing and hand gestures you get there with a few laughs thrown in.....but no chance here in krakow....they look at you as if you have horns coming out your head. One last point was that there is quite a lot of begging(from young to old) in the streets and also coming up to your table while your eating.

Certainly would say go if you get a chance but only for a long weekend. Also, get used to getting stared at and not seeing a smile on anyones face.
Shelley  Sep 14, 06, 11:01    #2
mode101uk - how strange I stayed there for 8 days and it went so fast, didnt have enough time to see all I wanted - hence the reason I'm going back in Feb....

The begging was off gypsies and not Polish people - even the Poles dont like that sort of thing, as for the smiling I saw lots of nice happy people both in the day and of an evening....spoke to a few Polish people and found them very charming - I suppose it's different for everyone....We had our own end of the night local by the end of the hols and were greeted with our drinks as soon as we walked in....cant get better than that can you...
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Joined: Jun 14, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 14, 06, 11:09    #3
I haven't noticed the smiling thing. Maybe some of the older folks. Maybe it's just my cuteness that made them smile
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Joined: Jun 14, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 14, 06, 11:10    #4
The most begging I've witnessed was in Gdansk. I was in Krakow in October so there weren't many beggers out at that time.
Shelley  Sep 14, 06, 11:23    #5
I found the people in Krakow really friendly - espcially the two guys that looked after me when I lost my friend - who happened to have my bag!!! they were very hospitable....was gutted when aforementioned friend turn up!
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Joined: Sep 4, 06 ♀ 		 Sep 14, 06, 15:24    #6
I live far away from krakow but i realy love this city.
I love this old buildings and so special and amazing atmosphere...
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Joined: Aug 6, 06 ♀ 		 Sep 15, 06, 07:13    #7
I am also back from Krakow but I was there only for a week. For me it was more like visiting my hometown not much of touristic trip

I don't know about this smile? Does everyone smile in England? Not really.
I think that we are in general rather reserved nation so maybe not smile so much to strangers( maybe it is our culture ) but it doesn't mean taht we are miserable.
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This smile thing is a bit silly. Who goes around with a smile on their face all day long ?
It doesn't matter where you are. People don't smile without reason. For the most part people are getting on with their lives and have no reason to smile at those they don't know.
But you can be sure that Polish folk do have a good sense of humour and it does show itself, if you look.
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Joined: Sep 13, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 06, 08:12    #9
This smile thing is a bit silly. Who goes around with a smile on their face all day long ?
It doesn't matter where you are. People don't smile without reason.
Californians do.
Shelley  Sep 15, 06, 08:20    #10
I'm smiling.....................IT'S FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as for the Polish not smiling - I made a concious effort to look at people this morning and you know what, what a miserable bunch of gits the brits are too....and the sun was shining so you cant even blame it on the weather....I think in any big city you're going to get a lot of serious faces....Like Wroclaw who's going to walk round grinning inately!!
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Joined: Jun 14, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 06, 10:41    #11
Yea, who the hell walks around with a smile except for people like Mr. Rogers(RIP), other happy go lucky folks, stoners and lads tripping on LSD?
Shelley  Sep 15, 06, 10:50    #12
ME ON A FRIDAY....YEAH PRAISE THE LORRRRRD....TONIGHT I SHALL DRINK WINE AND SLEEP IN TOMORROW....AND MAYBE A CHEEKY LITTLE G N T
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Joined: Jul 12, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 06, 11:07    #13
Thats me.... shower shave get drunk and disorderly refuse to fight.

Bye Folks.
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Quoting: Shelley, Post #12
MAYBE A CHEEKY LITTLE G N T


Which is....?
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Shelley, you are cheerful girl.

I suppose if someone is optimistic we can see it on his/her face even without smile.
franwsh09  Sep 15, 06, 15:52    #16
We are visiting in december for 5 days looking forward to it my father was polish and i do miss his cooking so the food places you suggested will be very helpfull . many thanks Frank Kay(kuszniewicz).
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Joined: Jul 20, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 06, 06:41    #17
Quoting: mode101uk, Post #1
Only downside to the holiday was that I found a lot of the polish people were quite ignorant/arrogant and never crack a smile.


I have read recently that a lot of people in Krakow complain about the behavior of British tourists, that come to the city only to get completely drunk, instead of visit some interesting landmarks, try some of the polish cuisine, and learn something about our culture....Maybe that’s why all the inhabitants of Krakow that you have encountered and talked to during your stay where arrogant and didn't even crack a smile?
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Everyone in London has a smile and is willing to help at a moments notice. I think not.
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Joined: Aug 14, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 17, 06, 02:28    #19
eeeeemmmmmmm.......no they arent willing to help at a moments notice......true.....London, is a capital city/financial centre and entertainement centre...NOT a real city...if they can't make a pound out of you they DO NOT want to know......but its the same in most capitals!

British people do this to releive the incredible boredom in their lives........by loosing control via alcohol..........its common in lots of anally retentive north European cultures not just the British!

So can we conclude the Brits aren't perfect...the Irish arent perfect....and surprise surprise the Polish arent perfect!!!

Is the board/members shocked .....????....no....... well get on with it............!!!!

Remember..........................you are a long..............long time dead................
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Frank,

Post 19. For the most part I agree.
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Easy there Frank. I didn't want to upset you, nor to state that all British people are drunkards. I was just merely quoting people from the articles.
Shelley  Sep 18, 06, 05:12    #22
Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #17
I have read recently that a lot of people in Krakow complain about the behavior of British tourists, that come to the city only to get completely drunk, instead of visit some interesting landmarks, try some of the polish cuisine, and learn something about our culture....Maybe that’s why all the inhabitants of Krakow that you have encountered and talked to during your stay where arrogant and didn't even crack a smile?



Matyjasz I have to agreed 100% I was ashamed at times at the behaviour of "brits abroad" If I'm going to visit another country I learn the pleasantries (please thank you etc) see the sights and enjoy the food...many english unfortunately are going to Poland for cheap beer.....
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Joined: Apr 1, 06  Pictures: 3 ♂ [Moderator] 		 Sep 18, 06, 05:33    #23
I seem to remember a few countries complaining about 'brits' on binge weekends.

Learning the language seems not important when you are with friends on a long weekend.
Many of these people never come back. They go and annoy someone else in another capital.
Shelley  Sep 18, 06, 05:39    #24
I started to visit the Czech Rep. many years ago and yes the Brits have spoilt Prague, fortunatley they have stayed away from the rest of it... some English are quite cultured and enjoy visiting other places to gain from the experience but there are those that use it as an excuse to get drunk and behave badly, as for learning the langauge, I find that it's important to at least to be able to say thank you.

I really hope that Polish people think that all english are the same....
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Am I right in saying that these 'boozers' are in the 18-25 age group.
Shelley  Sep 18, 06, 06:05    #26
Wroclaw - i really wish I could say yes, but many are in their late 20is to mid 30is - which is even more reason to be ashamed when I see them acting like complete arses....18 - 25 year olds are in the main going to spain / greece or other sunny destinations... and probably dont even know where Poland is.....
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I stand corrected.

Might this be true: Too much money, not yet married, and an attitude of F*** you.
Shelley  Sep 18, 06, 06:29    #28
Wroclaw - well, some are married and on weekend jollies with the boys some are on stag parties and some are single...and yes with an "i'm away and can do anything I like attitude" I for one would like to see tougher action by the Polish when they see these loud mouthed yobs......I know how to have a good time and enjoy a few glassses of wino, but I also have respect for those people that actually live in these beautiful cities...Another thing I would like is for bars and clubs to start making it clear that they will not admit large groups of british men, they have started to do this in Prague but it's like closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted...

I know this may strange an English person writing this, but I really dont want Krakow to become over run with rotten drunken english people - this also includes hen parties....if Plg reads this he'll say it's because I'm a prude, but in fact it's not the case, it's because I dont want Polands beautiful cities ruined....and long may they stay Polish and not westernised with fast food places and strip bars.....
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Now I understand and I agree.

I should tell you that I'm from England, older than most, and out of touch with some things as I've been here for quite some time.
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Joined: Aug 14, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 06, 06:47    #30
Nothing wrong with that...ie cheap beer etc, its when their activities get up the noses of the locals/businesses that things go pear shaped.....when it started in Dublin all those years ago, the bars welcomed them, now they are all banned effectively, becos they are more hassle than they are worth ie the bars are busy enough without 30 drunken yobs every 2 hours!

But that will come in Poland too, same as prague........one of those things, we all have to live with!

Lets say its one of those irritating cultural differences...much the same as that thread about Polish people not smiling!!!.....lol

Please don''t take out the tar brush....ALL the time......!!

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