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'Karta Pobytu' & long-term visa


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juli25Threads: 5
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Hi all,
please help to understand how it works: my husband applied for long-term Visa, basing on the work permit issued by Polish authorities (he's received job-contract for 18 months).

According to our understanding, he was supposed to get a visa, valid for 1 year period, but local Consulate granted visa for 120 days only , and explained that his next step should be applying for 'Karta Pobuty' ,once he arrives to Poland, in order to legalize his further stay in Poland...
Please explain what does it mean? is there a risk that after 120 days he will have to leave, if for any reason polish authorities will refuse to issue this 'Karta Pobuty'?

Thanks a lot for any comments.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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A lot depends on what country he is a citizen of.
juli25Threads: 5
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what is the difference between long-term visa and 'Karta Pobuty', from legal and practical point of view?
love_sunil80Threads: 29
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juli25:
what is the difference between long-term visa and 'Karta Pobuty', from legal and practical point of view?


IF someone has a visa still ideally has to apply for Karta Pobytu, I dont know what is long term visa according to you. Most of the people get not more then one year visa and they extend it by applying for karta pobytu. Karta pobytu for non EU nationals is usually not more then 2 years at a stretch provided is not eligible for Permanent residence card.

As per your quote I understand you and your spouse are non EU nationals. Your spouse has received visa for 120 days which is good enough to apply for Karta Pobytu. Usually they give residence visa type D which is minimum for 3 months and once he is in Poland he can apply for Karta pobytu (Residence card). Since he has a contract for 18 months he should be able to get Karta pobytu provided his company gives all the documents required by the office and he follows the correct procedure (one of the procedure: Apply for residence card minimum 45 days before the end of visa). I hope this helps.
juli25Threads: 5
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thank you for the input

is there any difference in rights for those who holds long-term visa and those who have the residence card?
love_sunil80Threads: 29
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juli25:
is there any difference in rights for those who holds long-term visa and those who have the residence card?


Still not able to understand your question. Can you be more precise what exactly you want to know?
juli25Threads: 5
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love_sunil80:
IF someone has a visa still ideally has to apply for Karta Pobytu


sorry, I haven't seen this sentence first time I read your message
I understand that visa and "karta pobytu" are 2 different things, although both of them legalize someone's stay in Poland for certain period.
what I'm trying to figure out is - does "karta pobytu" gives you any advantages as a resident vs standard working visa?
JonnyMThreads: 16
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juli25:
does "karta pobytu" gives you any advantages as a resident vs standard working visa?

You're getting mixed up. There isn't a 'working visa'. Karta Pobytu is a residence card. There are also work permits which are only required for citizens of certain countries. If your husband is from one of those countries (where is he from, by the way?), he will need both. He cannot 'get' a work permit himself. His employer has to apply for it.
juli25Threads: 5
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JonnyM:
You're getting mixed up. There isn't a 'working visa'. Karta Pobytu is a residence card. There are also work permits which are only required for citizens of certain countries. If your husband is from one of those countries (where is he from, by the way?), he will need both. He cannot 'get' a work permit himself. His employer has to apply for it.


I'm quite sure that I'm mixed up...this issue is very new to me...
The employer applied for the work permit of my husband, and already got it. It was also transferred to the Consulate in order to get the visa. The issue is that the employer was absolutely sure that my husband will get visa for 1 year.
My husband is of german origin, although he doesn't hold german citizenship at this moment (he is in the process to restore it, but it will take another few months to get the "ausweis", and he starts working in February, so until then he will need this Visa, karta pobytu or whatever it is...)
HarryThreads: 62
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juli25:
The employer applied for the work permit of my husband, and already got it. It was also transferred to the Consulate in order to get the visa. The issue is that the employer was absolutely sure that my husband will get visa for 1 year.

Your husband's employer actually received the promise of a work permit. Once your husband has his visa from the consulate, that can be used to get the actual work permit. If the promesa is for a year, the employer can be confident that that visa will be for a year.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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juli25:
The employer applied for the work permit of my husband, and already got it. It was also transferred to the Consulate in order to get the visa. The issue is that the employer was absolutely sure that my husband will get visa for 1 year.

That should be OK. Your husband's employer should use the services of an immigration lawyer. They aren't expensive and can speed it up and make it simpler. Even if they don't it should be alright, given that he has a work permit and a 120 day visa. He should start the process immediately he arrives, since the waiting time can be lengthy. If I may ask, what is your husband's current citizenship?
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Harry:
Your husband's employer actually received the promise of a work permit. Once your husband has his visa from the consulate, that can be used to get the actual work permit. If the promesa is for a year, the employer can be confident that that visa will be for a year.


Harry, he got the visa already, but the Consulate granted it only until the end of May 2012...4 months.
HarryThreads: 62
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juli25:
the Consulate granted it only until the end of May 2012...4 months.

That is a little bit strange.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Harry:
That is a little bit strange.


Makes me wonder if they suspect that he's going to do a runner, yet can't find the legal basis to deny the visa.
Chris1977  Jan 30, 12, 23:38    #15
and explained that his next step should be applying for 'Karta Pobuty' ,once he arrives

Yep this happened to me too, it's nothing to worry about. I arrived from the U.K (so didn't need a work VISA) and registered myself. Without a PESEL number they will only register you for 3 months reoccurring, so I applied for my PESEL and now have my Karta Pobuty for 2 years. (it took about 2 weeks) What they are saying sounds correct to me. I've now registered a company in Gmina and am waiting for my NIB and REGON numbers to come through, then everything will be done for me.

Can anyone here tell me 480 Zloty per month for ZUS, does this sound right?
WroclawThreads: 77
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Chris1977:
Can anyone here tell me 480 Zloty per month for ZUS, does this sound right?


http://zus.pl/default.asp?p=1&id=35

there is an english version (somewhere)
juli25Threads: 5
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Many thanks for all the comments

Chris1977:
so I applied for my PESEL and now have my Karta Pobuty for 2 years

Sorry for the ignorance, but what is PESEL?
HarryThreads: 62
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juli25:
Sorry for the ignorance, but what is PESEL?

One's number in the Universal Electronic System for the Registration of the Population, one's national identification number. In theory they are required for all residents of Poland who are here for more than 12 months but in practice they are not needed.
JimmuThreads: 2
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Harry:
but in practice they are not needed.

As long as you don't want to have a phone, cable TV, electrical service, trash pickup, bank account itd.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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I have all of that without a PESEL. And I've never had any problem at all.
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Jimmu:
As long as you don't want to have a phone, cable TV, electrical service, trash pickup, bank account itd.

I had all of that years before I got a PESEL number (I also bought a flat and bought & registered a car before I got a PESEL number).
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Harry:
but in practice they are not needed.


One notable thing - you can't get a Polish driving licence without one. Of course, if you have an EU licence, there's no point bothering with a Polish licence anyway.

Those things mentioned are easily got though.


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