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MidasThreads: 2
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 13:25    #61
^^ Yeah, blame the evil Jews, that always works.

It is like this one time we trained and released man-eating sharks into Egyptian waters to destroy their tourist industry. Ah, the good old days.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 13:26    #62
You know, in ways I have leanings towards Judaism. They reject the original sin notion, as do I. Their monotheistic approach is commendable. Their holy works came first, long before Jesus appeared on the scene. As for Islam, how on Earth can a religion pop along some 570 years after Christ and rewrite some of what went before? Maybe the divider of Jews and Christians didn't get the kick they were looking for and sought to stir the hornets' nest by throwing in another big religion. Sorry, it's quite laughable when seen in one way though I respect people who can somehow see sth in it.
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Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 14:09    #63
Noumenon
Do you see Muslims ever insulting Christ? Or any Judaeo-Christian prophet? Or any other tradition's prophet?

Were the prophets of any other religions paedophiles?

Noumenon
What was the age of consent in Arabia at the time? Was there a special exception made for the Prophet Muhammad? No there was not. The age of consent in Islam is adolescence, and it is more accurately the age of marriage, not the age of sexual romps.

I am astounded that you in any way try to defend a man who had sex with a nine-year old child.

Noumenon
Now, if you will, please demonstrate that you are not a hypocrite who projects his own nature, by condemning the following:

I condemn any and all paedophiles.

I also condemn liars.

Noumenon
* Jewish Talmud: Sanhedrin 54b. "A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old."

Liar: the Talmud actually says that the death penalty is not imposed if the paedophile has sex with a girl below the age of three or a boy below the age of nine (but other penalties are imposed).

Noumenon
* Jewish Talmud: Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing." [it does not count as adultery / fornication]

It does not count with regard to the status of the child as a virgin when she gets married.

Noumenon
The list goes on and on.

Thanks for copy pasting it. Pity your list it little but lies.

If you’re defending something here that you would not defend in any other person’s holy book, stop and take a good hard look at why you’re wearing these special glasses that only work one way. The first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem.

I'm not the one here defending a man who had sex with a nine-year old girl and claiming that it is perfectly acceptable to have such sex.
Noumenon  Sep 2, 11, 17:58    #64
Re: Post # 62

Actually, Christians in the Middle East were widely expecting a new Prophet at the time the Prophet Muhammad was born. That is because Christ clearly prophesised that a new person would come (the Comforter, "Ahmad"). No, it wasn't the Holy Ghost, that had been there right from the start. No, it wasn't Paul, the one who abandoned circumcision etc.


Re: Post # 63

As for PWEI, you need to wash your mouth out, and your mind, you are quite rude and disgusting. May God curse you! P.S. See Quote #58 again, it is all there, and no, none of it is lies. Feel free to give chapter and verse in your replies, otherwise, let the reader note that l have the facts!

The truth is out there, however much the guilty detest it.
Noumenon  Sep 2, 11, 18:07    #65
As for Islam, how on Earth can a religion pop along some 570 years after Christ and rewrite some of what went before? Maybe the divider of Jews and Christians didn't get the kick they were looking for and sought to stir the hornets' nest by throwing in another big religion. Sorry, it's quite laughable


I don't know where you get the inspiration for this from, but history refutes it in the most awful ways. It is even recorded in the Qur'an that a Jewish king of Yemen burned a load of Christians in a ditch. And were pogroms in medieval Poland the fault of Muslims? Did Muslims force the Poles to convert to Christianity or was it the Teutonic Knights?

You should read quote #58, it's all there! And be fair in your replies please. Actually, l like Catholics a lot, and Poles too. My neighbours were Poles and l always defend the Poles when they are picked on. So, l am not saying never find fault with Islam, but please be more cosntructive with your criticism.

P.s. Quote #58! Read it!
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 18:11    #66
Were the prophets of any other religions paedophiles?


although I am athiest...

Jesus might have been gay.
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Joined: Jun 28, 11  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 18:54    #67
although I am athiest...

Jesus might have been gay.


I reckon he had a thing going on with Magdalene, if you read the Gnostic scriptures.

You do all know Abraham married his sister. Nasty. Might of pimped her out to some King or other, too.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 18:58    #68
Look, my point was clear. How does a new religion just pop up in 570AD, led by a paedophile prophet, and somehow seek to claim Allah as God? It just doesn't make sense. It had all been written before. I watched a leading Islamic film on how it emerged but I just wasn't convinced. Maybe you could shed some light, Nou!?

I read post 58 and, sorry, it didn't convince me at all.
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:04    #69
somehow seek to claim Allah as God?

"Allah" is the Arabic word for "God" you ignorant idiot.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:05    #70
Well, obviously. Allah is what they call God. My, you really can't interpret very well, can you? Try to understand what I was saying before idiotically jumping on my comment, buffoon.
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: Des Essientes  Sep 2, 11, 19:07    #71
so then you admit that they are calling God "God" in their own language now, so your previous post had no point. You stupid Islamophobic, conspiracy theorist moron.
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:11    #72
I reckon he had a thing going on with Magdalene, if you read the Gnostic scriptures.

You do all know Abraham married his sister. Nasty. Might of pimped her out to some King or other, too.


Heh. Ya I heard he might also have done her if you know what I mean. Someone out there might be his relatives!
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:13    #73
No, my point was what they perceive as Allah (which I assume to take a different form than how the Jews see G_d) is not the same as what Christians perceive as God. The old 'your God is not my God' idea. Get it? It's quite simple, really.

God, according to the Torah and New Testament, already existed long before Islam came along later. Simple.

I'm not Islamophobic at all. I have had different Muslim friends in the past from UAE, Jordan and India.

Conspiracy? That's just a label. A stupid one at that so I expect it from you.
Noumenon  Sep 2, 11, 19:16    #74
BE DIPLOMATIC PLEASE AND HAVE SOME RESPECT.

Seanus, PWEI et al., may God curse you for your wicked words. You are just projecting your own dark side. I doubt you are even Christian.

As for modanifil and legend it is borderline forgivable that you make these slurs against other Prophets, because you were probably brought up to deride scriptures and Prophets of the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

I would urge all of you to avoid making cheap shots at any Prophet, because it is bigotry, and baseless, and you can never be as good as a Prophet, so it is hypocritical. By all means be an atheist, go nuts! Secular Western societies seem far more hi-tech than other societies. But why the cheap shots?

Finally:

* The Christ had no love relationship with any woman, he left earth a virgin, and that's according to every official religious source. They covered it up because they hated women? But, other Prophets were married.

* Prophet Abraham married his own sister? Even according to the Bible, she was not his proper sister, it was something else, and that's if you choose to accept the Bibilical account.
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: Des Essientes  Sep 2, 11, 19:17    #75
No, my point was what they perceive as Allah (which I assume to take a different form than how the Jews see G_d) is not the same as what Christians perceive as God.

You assumption is wrong. Their Allah is the same monotheistic God of the Jews and the Christians.
God, according to the Torah and New Testament, already existed long before Islam came along later. Simple.

So you think the Muslims believe God didn't exist before Islam! How stupid are you Seanus?
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  Sep 2, 11, 19:18    #76
You know, Islam isn't that different in many theological ways so I don't knock the content of the Koran, nor should I. The basic content is fine for the most part, Nou

DE, then fighting has no sense. VERY simple!
Noumenon  Sep 2, 11, 19:20    #77
What l mean is, stop making these cheap and nasty blasphemies, be more diplomatic and less porcine. You disqualify yourselves from the debate with these cheap shots against Prophet Muhammad, Christ, and Abraham.

I'm not saying you must agree with me, but will you try talking like an academic?
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:43    #79
You assumption is wrong. Their Allah is the same monotheistic God of the Jews and the Christians.


Protestants have this delusional thinking where they think the God of Christianity is not the God of Muslims.
For me Protestants is a joke deviation from Christianity. Especially those worthless evangelicals.
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the topic: Mosque in Krakow

please feel free to discuss it. anything else goes in the bin.
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Joined: Jun 28, 11  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 2, 11, 19:55    #81
Prophet Abraham married his own sister? Even according to the Bible, she was not his proper sister, it was something else, and that's if you choose to accept the Bibilical account.


Abraham states she was his father's daughter, therefore his sister - a blood relative. At some point he feared for his life and 'gave' her to a king to save himself from death.

* The Christ had no love relationship with any woman, he left earth a virgin, and that's according to every official religious source. They covered it up because they hated women? But, other Prophets were married.

Official source? You mean the bible compiled by the church Doctor St Augustine to suit his doctrine. There was more than four gospels they have been well studied including Professor Elaine Pagels of Princeton University(academic enough). Have a read of the texts, if you are allowed to think for yourself you will see there is more than simply Jesus saving a Prostitute. Do you suppose the human Jesus never had a erection. If you can only believe what you are told to believe, it is pointless discussing anything with you as you can only repeat others and have nothing new to say nor independent thought.

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