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 Nov 29, 09, 20:44    #31
Seanus:
I was trying to see it from the Polish perspective.

Polish eyes here: No I dont see any reason for animosity or hatred. Poles would welcome...those who cant must learn to be more tolerant and respectful to fellow human beings.

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Edited by: Seanus  Nov 29, 09, 20:48    #32
That's because you are you, £ódz. You don't speak for the majority of your people though I like what you have to say. Some would welcome but most wouldn't.

From the picturesque perspective, some mosques would be nice. I took many photos of mosques in the Balkans and they looked a damn sight better than some of the crumbling buildings here in Gliwice.

Kraków is generally beautiful but, as Pawian showed, there are many ugly parts too that could use a mosque ;) ;)
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 Nov 29, 09, 20:54    #33
Seanus:
. I wouldn't want to see the day where any desecration took place and I believe that it would if more and more mosques started popping up.

I understood your point. But there is no sign that new mosques are popping up (I think it is not necessary too since there is not too much muslim people).

And in this thread guy is asking if anyone knows any existing mosque (I assume he has no intention to build a new one) and got the answer.

I understand your concern but it looked a little bit overreaction to me. Especially when we think about the general approach in the forum.
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 Nov 29, 09, 20:58    #34
mephias:
I am sure there are requirements in polish law to build one.

Why would there be requirements in a majority Catholic country to build mosques?

I understand where Sheep is coming from, Poland only has to look at Britain and other countries in mainland Europe to see what has happened...If you built it they will come :D The less accommodating a country is (like muslim countries are) the less likely you are to attract people of a certain religion.

Only 0.5 percent of Turkeys populatin is Roman Catholic and this is what happens to priests in Turkey:

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=42255

You do know that Pope Benedict is against Turkey joining the EU too.
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 Nov 29, 09, 21:04    #35
Lodz_The_Boat:
Because some people have done wrong, shall we blame the whole community for it?

Seanus... is it the right way forward. You are an educated person, to what detail shall I explain you?

Why dont you visit the off topics section and read a thread there and tell me what you think about it? I would be interested to know.

Yes, we shall blame them for it. Because that's how things work in life. If you belong to a group that regularly kill people, rape people, torture people, execute people, then you must expect that you will be put in the same category as those people. Even if those are in the "minority".

If I belong to a neo nazi group, but I'm a "good" neo nazi, I don't hit anyone, should I therefore have my own pub and hang up my swastika flags and sell Hitler-beer? Why should I be put in the same category as the skinheads who are beating up black people? I don't do that, I just like Hitler and some of his politics. I'm a peaceful nazi! Would you defend me then Lodz the boat? You might be educated, but you have no clue about the reality on the streets.

Muslims discriminate against christians all over the muslim world. I can find links for you where you will read about brutal murders of christians inside and outside their churches. Small girls on their way to school are found decapitated. Whole villages are burnt out, the followers are shot at sight and their churches plundered and vandalized. Christians can't have crosses on their doors or on their property. Christians can't call their churches christian, but "gathering centres". Christians are not allowed to wear crosses publicly. Christians can't buy coffee or food in the same stores as muslms. Non muslims can't drive on the same road as muslims or visit a muslim city. Christian boys can't have a relationship with muslim girls without being killed. If you really want to I can put up links confirming all these "allegations" I have just posted.

But, we, the christian nations should allow the muslims to wear their burkas, have their minarets and respect you.

I say no.

There will be no respect. There will be no room for these people or their religion in my town or my country.

Dariusz
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Edited by: mephias  Nov 29, 09, 21:05    #36
Amathyst:
Why would there be requirements in a majority Catholic country to build mosques?

Because praying freely is a human right. And with requirements I mean there should be some prerequisites in the Polish Law to build one.

Amathyst:
The less accommodating a country is

It is obvious you haven't been to Turkey.

Amathyst:
Only 0.5 percent of Turkeys populatin is Roman Catholic and this is what happens to priests in Turkey:

It is a crime and I am very sad about it. I am sure no priest is ever murdered in Poland

Amathyst:
You do know that Pope Benedict is against Turkey joining the EU too.

It can be, what is the relation of this info and locating a mosque in Poland.
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 Nov 29, 09, 21:15    #37
I'd just like to throw this into the pot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385069.stm
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Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat  Nov 29, 09, 21:21    #38
Amathyst:
You do know that Pope Benedict is against Turkey joining the EU too.

Who is this Pope Benedict? Where does he get his stupid authority from? The Bible (4 Books and the Book of Revelation - the most reliable/relevant when it comes to Christian doctrines) says nothing about these mushroom like growth of corruption (called Popes)...given birth by Roman Catholicism, in the name of Christ. Christ did say, didnt he...about these people who will USE the name of Christ so dispassionately...so hideously.

I am not in favor or against Mosques in particular. But I am in favour of the rights of peaceful people. I am in favor of humans and their right on this planet.

DariuszTelka:
Yes, we shall blame them for it. Because that's how things work in life. If you belong to a group that regularly kill people, rape people, torture people, execute people, then you must expect that you will be put in the same category as those people. Even if those are in the "minority".

Ragularly kill and rape?????

Get a life ... its ideotic to say the least.

DariuszTelka:
There will be no respect. There will be no room for these people or their religion in my town or my country.

Where is your town or your country?

Well...if its Poland...I am here aswell...its my country too. And you will face some tough Polish resistance to your evil sentiments.

.........

At the end of the day...Cant you guys give love and tolerance a chance?... Come forward and lets work together for peace and go forward with the world in its motion of this evolutionary period.

There is an offtopic thread in PF.... calling for LOVE instead of HATRED.

Let us unite in our effort!
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 Nov 29, 09, 21:21    #39
Swiss voters approved a ban on construction of new minarets today, a surprise result certain to embarrass the country's neutral government.

Earlier, Wobmann told Reuters: 'We just want to stop further Islamisation in Switzerland, I mean political Islam. People may practice their religion, that is no problem.'

'We want to stop the further developments -- minarets ... Sharia law,' the SVP parliamentarian said. 'The minaret is the power symbol of political Islam and Sharia law.'

Wobmann, asked whether the anti-minaret result would damage Switzerland's image and huge financial industry whose clients include wealthy Arab clients in the Middle East, replied: 'No, there is no link between the two. It's not a restriction on Islam. We can't trade a democratic decision for money. That would be absurd -- prostitution!'


But taking Nazi loot and hiding the profits of crime is ok.
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 Nov 29, 09, 21:22    #40
Wroclaw:
I'd just like to throw this into the pot.

Good point. I support if swiss people feel like this There shouldn't be more minarets. It's quite normal if majority is not happy about it, not permitting it Also in Poland.

My reaction is about thread starter here is only asking if there is any mosques and he want to get the address of it(he is not asking to build a new one or he is not complaining about the lack of the mosques). Reacting this in a negative way is strange in my opinion.
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 Nov 29, 09, 21:29    #41
mephias:
thread starter here is only asking if there is any mosques and he want to get the address of it

fair point. however, the thread is 2.5 years old.
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 Nov 30, 09, 02:04    #42
I see that they banned minarets in Switzerland but the government didn't want that in order to preserve a tolerant image. Best not put a poll out to the Poles ;) ;)
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Edited by: King Sobieski  Nov 30, 09, 03:58    #43
mephias:
Because praying freely is a human right. And with requirements I mean there should be some prerequisites in the Polish Law to build one.

i am just asking the question but why should their be a prerequisite in polish law?

also, why isnt their a prerequisite in saudi arabian, pakistani, irani laws, etc?
jlb74  Nov 30, 09, 04:44    #44
nie ma mosque w Krakowia?.... Polacy; keep your beautiful country and culture that way.... Poland is for Poles.... and thank you for stopping the last Ottaman invasion into Europe some 300 yrs ago... too bad your soldiers didnt decapitate every one of those goat-eating dupkami...
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 Nov 30, 09, 05:34    #45
They should establish Catholic law in Krakow before they get too many muslims over there who want to establish sharia law.

bulldoze the mosques.
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Edited by: mephias  Nov 30, 09, 07:39    #46
King Sobieski:
i am just asking the question but why should their be a prerequisite in polish law?

It's simple logic, because in this thread it shows that there are some exists. I don't say there have to be a law. But if there is a mosque it means it is official. Of course if it is not wanted it can be changed.
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 Nov 30, 09, 10:59    #47
Avalon:
But taking Nazi loot and hiding the profits of crime is ok.

Avalon, if I steal something from you. And then you take it back later. Is it me or you who is the criminal?

Yes, the nazis took a lot of gold, jewlery and art from the jews. But where did the jews get their gold, jewlery and art from? Do you know that the Swiss, the Germans and the Poles have paid the Israeli state over 100 BILLION dollars in reperations all together. And they STILL get money from all these countries today? Do you know that EVERY country involved in the war are paying or has paid humoungus reperations to Israel and jewish organizations?

The Germans have paid the Israeli state over 62 BILLION dollars in reperations:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p19_reparations.html

The Swiss have paid the Israeli state over 1.25 BILLION dollars in reperations:

Swiss reperations:

http://www.redress.cc/palestine/jcook20090626

Poland has paid, and is in the process of paying over 40 BILLION DOLLARS:

http://www.krakowpost.com/article/1153

But Poland lost 1/5 of it's population in the war. Where is Poland's "reperations"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3692444.stm

The jewish financiers and bankers have a long and dark history in Europe. Have you seen "The merchant of Venice"? This will give you a little peak of how they operate. Still to this day. Madoff anyone?

From the ADL website which moans about increasing anti-semitism because of the large numbers of jewish people involved in the financial scandals in recent years:

"While viewing Manhattan from their $25 million penthouses, weekending on Long Island at the exclusive Hampdens, and spending time at their vacation homes in Israel, these racketeers have been pillaging the American people and now they come asking for the cash-strapped, debt-burdened taxpayers to bail them out....The Lehman Brothers were hailed as financial geniuses, princes of the Earth. Maurice Greenberg of AIG was crowned as a high priest of money. It turns out that they were nothing less than big-time crooks, highly paid henchmen of the international House of Rothschild.Their crimes are greater than fraud and theft. Their crimes constitute treason and they should be treated as the traitors they are....They are fear-mongers, war-mongers, hate-mongers—demagogues of the first and worst order. They tell us that unless we pay them off, our economy will collapse. In truth, they will take the money and run.They will cash in U.S. dollars for gold and Swiss francs and head for them thar' hills—the Seven Hills of Jerusalem..."

http://www.adl.org/main_internet/Anti-Semitism_Financial_Crisis.htm?Mu lti_page_sections=sHeading_3

It was no different back in the 20's, 30's or 40's. The bankers and financiers looted country after country and bought high priced real estate and art. Then when the war broke out and they "lost it all", they claim it all back, as if they earned it the hard way, like most europeans, going to work 8-10 hours a day, trying to survive. Most europeans didn't have mansions, gold teeth, fancy art on their wall and limousines. They did not run ponzi schemes and stole peoples hard earned life saving after the financial collapse in the late 20's.

So, Avalon, stop with the Swiss bashing. And concentrate on why they had to pay reperations, and to whom.

Dariusz
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Edited by: DariuszTelka  Nov 30, 09, 11:17    #48
Lodz_The_Boat:
Ragularly kill and rape?????

Get a life ... its ideotic to say the least.

Lodz the boat....I'm getting a little tired of your goldfish brain. How many links have I posted for you in the last few months that show that raping and killing is not uncommon in muslim countries? In the dozens? Halfaway to a hundred? A hundred?

There is something called "The google search engine". Why don't you put down whatever liberal, politically correct magazine you are reading and put in the following in the search engine box:

"Muslim rape".

Then you put in :

"Muslim honour killing"

Then you put in:

"Killing in the name of allah"

After that you can play around a little and put in different words like, Muhammed/pedophile/acid attacks/circumcision/hangings/executions/beheadings/attacks on christians/gangrape/holy terror and so on!

I know you live in Poland, therefore you will not read about gangrapes, ethnic drugwars, honourkillings and other peaceful activites that muslims fill their spare time with besides visiting their mosques. But here in the so-called western world, (even though Poland is in the middle of Europe), I read about it EVERY DAY! And since Norway is such a small country, we get a lot of news from the rest of the world too, and therefore I can read about the same things happening in England, France, The Netherlands, Italy, The US, Canada. And then we haven't even started on the African continent and the Arab countries!

Did you block out everthing except sites that end on .pl? Have you ever been outside of Poland, and actually visited places like Hamburg, Berlin, Amsterdam, Oslo, Gothenburg, Paris, Marseille, London and Brussels? Why don't you try that, and see if you want your polish city to look like them? If you do, you seriously are in need of medical attention!

But you know what, Lodz the Boat, I think you are what we would call a double agent. I can't believe anyone is as brainwashed and naive as you. If that is the case, haha, the joke is on me for swallowing your bait all this time.

My city right now is Oslo in Norway. My city, where I was born and where I soon will move back to, is Katowice. And there will be no fvcking minarets or mosques that shout out the word of a deranged "prophet", who raped and married an 9 year old girl and then went on a killing spree, murdering thousand of innocent people. If you want that, Lodz the Boat, I think you should move to Saudi Arabia.

Dariusz
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 Nov 30, 09, 16:10    #49
Every now and then a muslim comes along saying.. but we worship the same God as christians.. and some Catholics say it too.. that they worship the same God as muslims... as if this will make things ok.

Well then, no problem. Poland is already a very predominantly catholic country, no need to add any religious confusion to the matter.. let all the muslims become catholic.. they'll be worshipping the same god as they always have, according to their own statements.

I do have some difficulty with them claiming that allah is the same god though.. if that were really true there wouldn't be any need for them to demand that catholics worship allah..since catholics already worship allah by another name.

so either that is a lie.. or they are very confused and simply love to kill for no good reason at all. Which cannot be allowed, obviously.

Bulldoze the mosques. There is no need for them except to create division and confusion. Let them all worship together in the Catholic church and under Catholic law. catholic doctrines hold a higher standard in regard to the sanctity of life, and muslims need to learn those values.
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 Dec 20, 09, 04:23    #50
DariuszTelka:
There is something called "The google search engine". Why don't you put down whatever liberal, politically correct magazine you are reading and put in the following in the search engine box:

"Muslim rape".

Then you put in :

"Muslim honour killing"

Then you put in:

"Killing in the name of allah"

After that you can play around a little and put in different words like, Muhammed/pedophile/acid attacks/circumcision/hangings/executions/beheadings/attacks on christians/gangrape/holy terror and so on!

Obviously this is what happen if you did not filter all information thats coming to your head. Don't you realize that news are also source of propaganda?

Where do you get this kind of news? a lot of my friend working in middle east never had any issue even though they are non muslims. I have lived in Malaysia which is stated as Muslim country, do u know how many church, temple and Vihara there?? I have lived in Indonesia which is the biggest moslem population country in the world, do you know that besides the grand mosque there is the grand Church??

Why do you always making things generalized? Are you racist or something? What happen in London or Berlin are a normal things to me, other moslem country are also welcoming european people, the difference is that not much european interested in moving there.

I always judge people on how they think, without concerning their race and religion. I suggest you started to do so. And Please don't digested rawly all information that comes to your head, you need to learn how to filter and cross check.(googling is for kids, my 6 years normally done that)

If you don't know the real condition then don't talk as if you know everything, you are just spreading hatred which will bring any good to all.
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 Dec 20, 09, 10:03    #51
gouden:
Why do you always making things generalized? Are you racist or something? What happen in London or Berlin are a normal things to me, other moslem country are also welcoming european people, the difference is that not much european interested in moving there.

I always judge people on how they think, without concerning their race and religion. I suggest you started to do so. And Please don't digested rawly all information that comes to your head, you need to learn how to filter and cross check.(googling is for kids, my 6 years normally done that)

If you don't know the real condition then don't talk as if you know everything, you are just spreading hatred which will bring any good to all.

Are you a muslim? Because you sound like one. Here's a couple of words that make you sound like a mohammedan "Spreading hate" "generalizing" "racist" "normal" Welcoming" "race"

Muslims aren't a race. They are all over the world (sadly).
An European could move to a Muslim country, but would he have the same rights muslims have in the European countries? I don't think any European christian would get rights to build Churches paid BY THE STATE or try to introduce Christian-related Laws and values into the land, like muslims do it in the West.

Accept it..the more people know about your religion, the more they despise it.
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 Dec 20, 09, 10:15    #52
gouden:
Why do you always making things generalized? Are you racist or something?

You are right. Unfortunately in this forum there are some racist fanatics who thinks they can effect more people and spread their propaganda against known truths.

Their aim is so obvious and any explanation you make won't convince them. So just ignore them. Being a fanatic is bad enough you should not confuse their weak minds with realities.

And good thing in Real World there are few of them (especially in Poland). People I met are considerate and smart and open enough to discuss any subject in normal way (also many people here).
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 Dec 20, 09, 10:37    #53
mephias:
Being a fanatic is bad enough you should not confuse their weak minds with realities.

Yeah, we need to understand muslims.
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Edited by: Moderator  Dec 20, 09, 10:44    #54
gouden:
Obviously this is what happen if you did not filter all information thats coming to your head. Don't you realize that news are also source of propaganda?

Where do you get this kind of news? a lot of my friend working in middle east never had any issue even though they are non muslims. I have lived in Malaysia which is stated as Muslim country, do u know how many church, temple and Vihara there?? I have lived in Indonesia which is the biggest moslem population country in the world, do you know that besides the grand mosque there is the grand Church??

Why do you always making things generalized? Are you racist or something? What happen in London or Berlin are a normal things to me, other moslem country are also welcoming european people, the difference is that not much european interested in moving there.

I always judge people on how they think, without concerning their race and religion. I suggest you started to do so. And Please don't digested rawly all information that comes to your head, you need to learn how to filter and cross check.(googling is for kids, my 6 years normally done that)

If you don't know the real condition then don't talk as if you know everything, you are just spreading hatred which will bring any good to all.

If you seriously mean what you just wrote, then I don't think we live in the same world.

Instead of refuting me on my claims that islam is an evil and vicious religion/political movement, you attack me for saying that people should not google something, "because my 6 year old child does it". Wow! Really? Is that you answer? So, to all the good people here on this forum, alert alert, the user named "Gouden", has informed us that using the google search engine will not give you a fair and balanced view of the world and is installing propaganda in your minds. Please note that this person has actually been to Malaysia and Indonesia and seen several churches and other non-muslim buildings, and that is enough for Gouden to know that islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. And don't mind the burning streets of Paris or Amsterdam, that is only "wild youth", having some fun.

Gouden, if Google isn't your thing anymore, then why don't you read some newscoverage from Reuters, Ascossiated Press, Interfax or any other major news agency that daily covers the horrors that is islam. They have their own websites, and they can't ALL be in it together to blame your religion of peace and tolerance?

Again..everytime I manage to shut up one liberal, feeble minded, "let's hold hands across the globe", brainwashed, self-hating white person, another one pops up with exact the same arguments as the last one.

The only thing you have in your arsenal are scare-words like, "Racist", or "Bigot", or "Close minded". When will you learn that western, christian people are NOT WELCOMED in muslim countries/states! And in the muslim countries we are "welcome", we are only smiled to and accepted because we are tourists. But try living there and being as christian as they are muslim in our world, and you will soon find out that you are living dangerously.

OK, ok! I give up, here are a couple of links for you. First one from your peaceful and tolerant Malyasia and Indoensia;

"In 2003, 13 Christians were killed in the Poso District by unknown masked gunmen.[2] In May 2005, a bomb blast in the nearby town of Tentena, killed twenty-two people and injured more than thirty,[4] Days after the killings, two 17 year-old christian schoolgirls were shot in the same area.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_g irls


Here is a little list I compiled for you, (Ofcourse it's all "Propaganda"); Persecution of Christians in muslim countries:

Turkey:
[i]
"Persecution of Christians has continued in modern Turkey. On February 5, 2006, the Catholic priest Andrea Santoro was murdered in Trabzon by a student influenced by the reactions following the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy.[17] On April 18, 2007, 3 Christians were brutally murdered in Malatya,[18][19] the hometown of Mehmet Ali Ağca, the assassin who shot and wounded Pope John Paul II on May 13, 1981.

In 1974 the Republic of Turkey invaded and ethnically cleansed 180,000 Christians from from the North of Cyprus. Roughly 6,000 people were killed. 1,619 Christians are classified as "missing people" as they were alive when captured by the Turkish Army. Women aged 7 to 71 were raped by Turkish Soldiers. Christians are currently prevented from returning to their homes even though the European Court of Human Rights has recognized the legal title of Greek Orthodox Christians. The military of the Republic of Turkey has confiscated more than 5

Heres the full list;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Muslim_persecut ion_of_Christians

So, Gouden. That was only a little sample from the arab/african world, we haven't even touched the mass killings, rapes, murders, beatings, sharia-courts, circumcisions, beheadings of people in our western countries by these promotors of peace and tolerance.

So, am I the "hater" and "racist" for showing you these facts, or is it still "propaganda", as you so eloqently put it? You who are living in a world of politically correct delusion and can't see the evil that is islam. Why? I really don't know. But I'm here to help you find back to the real world, before you become part of one of the links I seem to have to post here all the time.

Again, this religion has no future in Poland, and I will be here, waiting for people like you, trying to tell you, show you, morsecode it to you or even use smokesignals with my blanket to make it clear to you, or anybody that want's to listen, that nothing good has ever come from the religion or political system that is islam!

Dariusz
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 Dec 20, 09, 10:46    #55
gouden:
gouden

I think you know better now what I mean.
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 Dec 20, 09, 12:09    #56
DariuszTelka:
that nothing good has ever come from the religion or political system that is islam!

Good patriotic soldiers have come out of it!


If you don't understand Polish I can tell you what it said in the middle of it

"Tatars living in Poland-Lithuania were loyal citizens even when confronting Turkish units who were muslims"

So if you ever say anything bad about Tatar muslims ill give you same treatment if you shot to Pi³sudski!
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 Feb 24, 10, 16:21    #57
Seanus:
Kraków is generally beautiful but, as Pawian showed, there are many ugly parts too that could use a mosque ;) ;)

That could fit in Krakow architecture like nothing:)
______________


And maybe: no churches, no mosques, no houses of worship - NO PROBLEMS

So much hatred and damage to other people because of creeds and it is still 90 % bigotry.
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 Feb 24, 10, 16:31    #58
Olaf:
So much hatred and damage to other people because of creeds and it is still 90 % bigotr

you are one hell of the moron
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 Feb 24, 10, 17:14    #59
So, ideally, Poland should be an enclave for white catholics?
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 Feb 24, 10, 17:16    #60
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So, ideally, Poland should be an enclave for white catholics?

whom are you asking?

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