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RogalskiThreads: 9 Posts: 146 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 17:24 #61
Mosques are part of Polish heritage. Have you visited the wooden ones in the east for the descendants of Tatars? Or the Muslim cultural centre in Gdańsk which contains a mosque? Part of the tapestry that makes for a Poland that is diverse - and richer as a result.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,195 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 17:39 #62
hey! the thread subject is Mosques in Krakow, In Krakow there shouldn't be mosques at all!

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,678 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Feb 24, 10, 18:12 #63
Ironside: whom are you asking? everyone who wants to chime in...

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,195 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 18:36 #64
f stop: everyone who wants to chime in... Seems to me you are fishing, Nobody have to embrace islam

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Feb 24, 10, 18:58 #65

I guess I am. I have a hard time looking through all that racist, hatefull posts to find a suitable quote. I am generally surprised at the comments here about pakis, jews, blacks, any other ethnic and/or religious groups. I remember Polish people being much better than that - maybe a little distrustfull at first, but always civil and never overly racist. And my generation, especially, bending over backwards not to even give appearance of judging anyone by the color of their skin or religious beliefs.

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Edited by: Ironside Feb 24, 10, 20:04 #66

f stop:

I have a hard time looking through all that racist, hatefull posts to find a suitable quote.

The Internet is a place where people from all walks of life can say whatever they like, it could be intoxicating, liberating or simply people are being honest.
There some racist, kids, morons and people with agenda but whats really means?
Only that people are only people and aren't that good or that bad as it seems from personal point of view.

f stop:

I remember Polish people being much better than that

Polish people are exclusive ;) minority on PF!
And they talk much but real life is a different kettle of fish!

f stop:

And my generation, especially, bending over backwards not to even give appearance of judging anyone by the color of their skin or religious beliefs.

but is not possible, people are always judgmental .....
What generation?

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,678 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Feb 24, 10, 20:30 #67
Ironside: What generation? old hippies... that became one of the most self-indulgent generation, ever.. ;) BTW, love the Sway.

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Feb 25, 10, 18:52 #68

DariuszTelka:

Muslims discriminate against christians all over the muslim world

Comment based on generalization and ignorance !

I think you should travel a bit before judging the entire Muslim world !

Go to Turkey, go to Tunisia,go to Morroco, go to Malaysia and you ll see plenty of Christian Churches and christian communities ( hundreds of British , German,French people retiring in Morroco and Turkey).
Besides there are loads of Mosques in Germany, Great Britain and France and apart from a few skin heads who from time to time damage them out of hatred( pleae note that these are Non Muslims doing that to upset Muslims), all in all Christians ,Muslims and Jews live in peace.
I do not see why Poland would be any different in welcoming other religious groups if Polish children are raised with the Christian values of fraternity and tolerance.....

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Edited by: convex Feb 25, 10, 19:45 #69

LwowskaKrakow:

I think you should travel a bit before judging the entire Muslim world !

I think you may want to travel a little bit more. What happens to apostates again? Funny you should mention Malaysia and Morocco, which both have apostasy laws on the books. Tunisia and Turkey have private means of dealing with apostasy.

People coming from Muslims countries just have to accept that Islamic law cannot and will not be tolerated in Europe. If that's accepted, than there is no problem at all. Build big mosques. I do however find it a bit hypocritical that the major financier of all the new mosques going up is the same government which doesn't even allow the practice of other religions in their country, much less the building of a church.

convex:

Christians ,Muslims and Jews live in peace.

Sometimes, until one group realizes that other one has something they want and use religion as an excuse to get it.

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Feb 25, 10, 20:00 #70

LwowskaKrakow:

I do not see why Poland would be any different in welcoming other religious groups if Polish children are raised with the Christian values of fraternity and tolerance.....

Poland is Christian territory!
what is wrong with you? There some token churches in Muslim country's but only because those territories used to be Christian and were conquered by Arabs.

What about Church in the Saudi Arabia? There is none!

There should be extra tax for Muslims in Europe!

LwowskaKrakow:

Go to Turkey, go to Tunisia,go

no you go ...and don't come back

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 20:06 #71
Ironside: What about Church in the Saudi Arabia? There is none! Actually there are discreet churches there, on the compounds where expats often live. They are usually American run and offer Sunday family worship. In Riyadh there are also embassy chapels which some foreign residents choose to go to, and Christians are in any case allowed to practise religion in their own homes.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 20:09 #72
jonni: Christians are in any case allowed to practise religion in their own homes Only foreign Christians.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 21:18 #73
convex: Only foreign Christians. There are indigenous Christians and Jews in Saudi, about 1% of the population.

espanaThreads: 39 Posts: 2,200 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 21:25 #74
welcome to europe poles :(

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Feb 25, 10, 21:46 #75

LwowskaKrakow:

Comment based on generalization and ignorance !

I think you should travel a bit before judging the entire Muslim world !

Go to Turkey, go to Tunisia,go to Morroco, go to Malaysia and you ll see plenty of Christian Churches and christian communities ( hundreds of British , German,French people retiring in Morroco and Turkey).
Besides there are loads of Mosques in Germany, Great Britain and France and apart from a few skin heads who from time to time damage them out of hatred( pleae note that these are Non Muslims doing that to upset Muslims),

I do not see why Poland would be any different in welcoming other religious groups if Polish children are raised with the Christian values of fraternity and tolerance.....

Wow, LwowskaKrakow...you really have been living under a rock. Don't you read international newspapers, watch TV or go on the internet? At all? Your comments are from the 80's. Before the internet, and when people had to believe what the newspapers said. We're in 2010 now, we can easily access the evils of the world in a matter of seconds. And the main word that comes up is islam. Islam is raping Europe every day, and Christians are being persecuted all over the muslim world.

I'm tired of repeating my facts every other month when a brainwashed liberal is "outraged" at my "allegations" against the poor and defensless muslims. So read my post number 79 on this page:

http://www.polishforums.com/news-politics-4/poland-muslims-tatars-othe rs-40285/2/

LwowskaKrakow:

all in all Christians ,Muslims and Jews live in peace.

Easy to say when you live in Krakow. It's 99% Polish and christian. Try Paris, Brugge, Oldham, Gothenburg or Berlin...where riots, mass violence, murders and rapes are as much part of peoples' lives as a vodka bottle is in a polish wedding:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1183

And here is some information from Polonius3:

Poland last Sunday observed a day of solidarity with persecuted Christians the world over.
According to the international organisation Church in Need, each year 170,000 Christians are killed for their faith, or one dies every 3 minutes. 200 million are persecuted and 350 million are denied the freedom to practice their religion. Christians are persecuted in some 60 of the world’s countries.
http://www.skokstefczyka.pl/fakty_biznes_wydarzenia/61_swiat/1126_prze sladowania.html
Where are all the high, mighty and influential defenders of human rights: the UN, European Justice Tribunals, Obama, the Helsinki gang and other of self-styled humanrighters? They seem to be too busy screaming bloody murder that a cross hangs in some classroom or some homo got kicked in the behind.

So what do you say to that LwowskaKrakow?

Dariusz

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Edited by: TIT Feb 25, 10, 22:00 #76
what about this? fresh one from a second flank http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/world/europe/25iht-poland.html?ref=w orld

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 811 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Feb 25, 10, 22:01 #77
LwowskaKrakow: LwowskaKrakow I completely agree with you. Unfortunately there are many narrow minded people in this forum. Whatever you say they will not understand and try to convince you how beautiful to hate something. So better do not waster your time.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Edited by: Exiled Feb 25, 10, 22:10 #78
I was told the war in Tuzla started when a Serb was annoyed by the morning awakening by a mufti scream to call Allah subordinates to prey and decided to bring him down. After all the guy had to sleep.

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Feb 25, 10, 22:14 #79

mephias:

LwowskaKrakow:
LwowskaKrakow

I completely agree with you. Unfortunately there are many narrow minded people in this forum. Whatever you say they will not understand and try to convince you how beautiful to hate something. So better do not waster your time.

You both probably agree that the earth is flat too. How can you agree on something that is a lie? Have you been reading the Jehova's witness propaganda books again? (The one where the lion and the sheep lie next to eachother, and the black, asian and white families harvest and spend time together). I think your schoolteacher or whoever taught you these things should be sent to Saudi Arabia for 2 years. And try to set up a church. We will come back to them later and see how they are progressing.

Read RevokeNice post number 94 (Future of Poland if you and your ilk get your way).

http://www.polishforums.com/off-topic-lounge-47/mass-immigration-polan d-article-response-38990/3/

Dariusz

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 811 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Feb 25, 10, 22:24 #80
DariuszTelka: DariuszTelka You are just funny. I have personally been to Saudi Arabia, U.A.E and Jordan. I Spent more than 6 months in Jordan, 15 percent of the population is Arabic Christians there. Only Saudi Arabia is the extreme case but even there condition is much better than your lies.

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Feb 25, 10, 22:54 #81

jonni:

There are indigenous Christians and Jews in Saudi, about 1% of the population.

And are they allowed by law to practice Christianity as citizens of the kingdom?

mephias:

You are just funny. I have personally been to Saudi Arabia, U.A.E and Jordan. I Spent more than 6 months in Jordan, 15 percent of the population is Arabic Christians there. Only Saudi Arabia is the extreme case but even there condition is much better than your lies.

Neat, I in Amman for almost a month (actually Wadi Seer), really enjoyed it.

Now, while Jordan is still incredibly liberal (especially Amman), there are still Sharia courts and the punishment for apostasy is severe. Hell, just look at how they treat the Shia there.

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Feb 25, 10, 23:01 #82

mephias:

You are just funny. I have personally been to Saudi Arabia, U.A.E and Jordan. I Spent more than 6 months in Jordan, 15 percent of the population is Arabic christian in Jordan. Only Saudi Arabia is the extreme case but even there condition is much better than your lies.

Where you probably were an outstanding citizen! Because you know how to respect other people and their religion. I bet you never took out your bible and laid down on the pavement, praising jesus during your 6 months in Saudi Arabia or Jordan? Did you wear your christian cross openly for everyone to see? Did you ask for non-halal food in the store? Did you ask to have your own prayer room at work? Did you ask for a western toilet so you could actually sit on the porcelain when you went nr 2? Did you hear the churchbells on sundays? Did you drive to Mecca to see the holy mosque?

OR DID YOU WATCH THE PUBLIC DECAPITATIONS ON THE MARKET SQUARE?

Or did you convert to islam like these poor souls had to?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/saudi-arabia-christian-migrant-worke rs-forced-to-convert-to-islam.html

Freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia

What about being interrogated in your own home for having a christian meeting?

http://www.domini.org/openbook/sau20010719.htm

Jordan is much better than Saudi Arabia, but the only reason they are "tolerated" there, is because the royal family see the wealthy christians as important and an integral part of maintaining a higher level of living than their neighbours. But as we can read on about Jordan, their Christian population is decreasing RAPIDLY. Why is that do you think? Because they have it soooo good? How come muslims multiply like crazy her in the west? Because we respect them, but they don't respect us! Have you seen Jordans queen? She doesn't really seem too muslim....have you seen Saudia Arabias queen...or any other woman for that matter? No? Me neither. But still life is not that grand for the lower level christians..you know..the ones without power, the everyday strugglers..here's what happens to them:

http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/jordan-admits-deporting-fore ign-christians-for-preaching-and-mission-work/

And closing down churches, persecuting pastors and much more fun:

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/countryinfodetail.php?countrycode =35

Mephias, you need to get your head put back on. The right way this time.

Dariusz

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Edited by: mephias Feb 25, 10, 23:05 #83

convex:

really enjoyed it

There are many beautifull places for such a small country.
I stayed in Amman but visited, Petra, Wadi Rum, Aqaba, Dead Sea, Mount Nebo, Jerash. And car rental was so cheap, I was in different place every weekend. It is liberal but they have a king and family pictures of king everywhere :).

I am personally against Sharia courts or Islamic government. What is more importat how different that people are I don't see big difference on average people of any country. Before I visited different countries, I was always thinking how different that people are, scary thoughts, now I believe there are differences on small details but in the essence all are similar and All deserve closer look personally before judging.

DariuszTelka:

DariuszTelka

I said it is the most extreme place but still better than what you write here.

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Feb 25, 10, 23:14 #84

mephias:

Before I visited different countries, I was always thinking how different that people are, scary thoughts, now I believe there are differences on small details but in the essence all are similar and All deserve closer look personally before judging.

People are the same everywhere. They go to work, they worry about their kids, they complain about their politicians. 99.999% of individuals want exactly the same thing.

mephias:

There are many beautifull places for such a small country.

I'm taking the woman there in May :)

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,181 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 23:21 #85
Slavs failed to unite and now Germanics unite them with Arabs crazy

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 23:25 #86
I don't think there's an effort at unification here at all. I think they are just providing options for the local Muslim population who don't have a hope in hell of taking over. Catholicism is just too strong to be replaced.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 23:27 #87
You think the german Pope eats kebab secretly?

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Feb 25, 10, 23:27 #88

mephias:

I am personally against Sharia courts or Islamic government.

That is admireable of you. Can you please call the Sharia police in Oslo and convince them to stop harrassing and threatining people on the streets?! (Yes, that is OSLO, Norway, not Islamabad).

http://www.euro-islam.info/2010/01/09/muslim-moral-police-roam-oslo-st reets-norwegian/

mephias:

I don't see big difference on average people of any country. Before I visited different countries, I was always thinking how different that people are, scary thoughts, now I believe there are differences on small details but in the essence all are similar and All deserve closer look personally before judging.

Reminds me of the Bosson song...oh yeah..."You're one in a million" (muslim)....(That was a seriously annoying song). The point is, when muslims had a demonstration in Oslo last week against the mohammed drawings, 3 000 muslims turned up, threw a bomb at a restaurant, wrecked public signs and one of the main speakers said that homosexuals deserve the death penalty by stoning. (He is now "home" in Pakistan in a madras school learing more tolerance). This week there was a counter demonstration, also by muslims, against the violence and homosexual remarks that happended last week. How many turned up? 9. Yes, NINE. 5 of whom were women. I'm sorry Mephias...there is just too much evidence against your views.

Dariusz

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Edited by: mephias Feb 25, 10, 23:37 #89

DariuszTelka:

there is just too much evidence against your views

Ok you convinced me. I should hate something too, today I am choosing women who wears long light blue skirts (I should start with few, I need time to be a such big hater like you). If those women who wears long light blue skirts can not be stopped they will eat all european brains. (Then all brains in the world).

Are you happy now ?

convex:

I'm taking the woman there in May :)

Enjoy your stay. I hope I can go there again some day.

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Feb 26, 10, 08:42 #90

mephias:

I don't HATE the muslims because they are muslims, I hate SOME of them because of their actions. In this case, muslims are being branded, because MOST of them support the same thing. They deserve to be branded, just as the gypsies, who 99% of the time all do the same thing. When a majority of muslims stop accepting that hate is not the way to go, and that discriminating other people based on their religion, sexual preference or if they are sunni or shia, THEN we can say that NOT ALL muslims are bad. As for now...well....they are like a clan, sticking together, not taking responsibility for their fellow men and womens actions. If one cartoon gets out, they rally thousands in the street, but if a norwegian girls gets killed by a muslim..well, then they don't really have the time.

Moamar Ghadaffi has called for "holy war" on Switzerland. YES, SWITZERLAND, those war mongering, hateful and un-civilized people of Switzerland...why? Oh, because they don't want to build any more mosques...yes, that is really a reason for HOLY WAR! A Christian nation, that does not want to build any more MUSLIM MOSQUES. What about all the churches that are burnt and closed every year in muslim countries? Should we western countries wage a HOLY WAR too? (Maybe ressurect the knights of Jerusalem?). This is the same Ghadaffi who said that "we are taking over Europe with babies"....so we know his agenda. The same Ghadaffi who welcomed the murderers of the Lockerbie flight with open arms and a parade? Haven't heard any muslims tell him to shut up either...

And then you go on and call me a "hater". I'm no hater, I'm a realist. I don't excuse evil, like muslims do, because it's in the name of the prophet. If something is wrong, I will fight it no matter what religion, stateform or people who do it. Even my closest friends I will fight. If they do evil. But muslims defend all muslims NO MATTER WHAT.

So, go out and hate women with blue skirts, that is the "mental state", muslims are in today. You stone, hang, bury people alive, burn churches, kill children and riot everywhere. When will it stop? (I still remember the girl who was buried alive in Turkey a couple of months ago).

Dariusz

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