Pawiak Museum in Warsaw

spiritusThreads: 53 Posts: 253 Joined: Oct 25, 06 ♂	Jun 9, 10, 08:37 #1
I'm visiting friends again in Czestochowa this August but want to take a two day trip to Warsaw to visit Aleja Szucha again and Pawiak Museum. Has anyone ever been to the Pawiak Museum as the website isn't great ! Any feedback will be appreciated

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Edited by: 1jola Jun 9, 10, 10:03 #2

Pawiak Prison is not a very large museum, but a must to visit, so you also should visit the Warsaw Uprising Museum. It is nearby.
http://www.1944.pl/en/

When you go to Aleja Szucha, the Gestapo prison holding cells, you might want to read up on Franz Kutschera. AK popped him on the corner of that street.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operacja_G%C5%82%C3%B3wki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kutschera

If you have time, go to:

http://www.muzeumwp.pl/
http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/en/home/index/0.html

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 9, 10, 13:01 #3
spiritus: Has anyone ever been to the Pawiak Museum as the website isn't great! It won't take you more than an hour to go round. But the Uprising Museum is well worth a visit (even if it does have the usual Polish problems with history).

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Jun 9, 10, 14:20 #4

thanks guys.

Is the museum on the same site where the prison was located or was the prison building demolished ? Sorry for my ignorance.

I've been to the Uprising Museum and I was very impressed. One small complaint is that my elderly mother struggled to read many of the notes attached to the exhibits due to the "atmospheric" and rather gloomy lighting. A pity that many of the people who actually lived through this era may struggle to fully enjoy the museum but that is only a minor complaint.

I have a real interest in visiting places in Warsaw heavily connected to WW2.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,389 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Jun 9, 10, 14:41 #5
spiritus: I have a real interest in visiting places in Warsaw heavily connected to WW2 Please remember Warsaw was raised to the ground by the germans. So a lot of the places you can visit are symbolic. Places like Mila 18 which was the headquarters of the Jewish ZOB or ulica Grottgera 11 which was the headquarters of the Polish fighters.

spiritusThreads: 53 Posts: 253 Joined: Oct 25, 06 ♂	Jun 9, 10, 14:59 #6
warszawski: Places like Mila 18 which was the headquarters of the Jewish ZOB or ulica Grottgera 11 which was the headquarters of the Polish fighters Sorry but are these examples of buildings that were razed or examples of buildings that survived ? I'm assuming Pawiak is the original building as it was a Nazi "prison" ?

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Jun 9, 10, 16:00 #7

Mila 18 is simply a mound where the rubble was overgrown after the bunker containing Mordacai Anieliewicz and colleagues was blown up. I used to live just round the corner on Andersa. there is not much to see apart from a mound. For a afternoon stroll go to the Jewish cemetary and walk around. it is very moving. There used to be a really good WWII section in the history museum in the old town. haven't been there in years though

SenorCojonazosThreads: - Posts: 7 Joined: Jun 6, 10 ♂	Jun 9, 10, 17:13 #8
1jola: Thank you for that, I'm also going to Warsaw soon.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: 1jola Jun 9, 10, 17:17 #9
Harry: (even if it does have the usual Polish problems with history). What is that about, Harry? .................. If you visit Pawiak, which got its name after Pawia street, you might want to read up on the Gęsiówka, which is the street parellal to Pawia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C4%99si%C3%B3wka

spiritusThreads: 53 Posts: 253 Joined: Oct 25, 06 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 23:38 #10
Thanks Jola. This isn't meant as a provocative question but are Poles generally indifferent to wartime memorials and museums (perhaps younger Poles) ?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 16:42 #11
spiritus: I'm assuming Pawiak is the original building as it was a Nazi "prison" ? Yes, what is left of it, which is a section of the lower floor. Images here of then and now: http://www.google.com/images?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=U TF-8&rlz=1I7TSHA_en&q=pawiak&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=JpwTTMXuCY2T ONfknLsM&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCoQsAQwAw

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Jun 12, 10, 17:57 #12

spiritus:

This isn't meant as a provocative question but are Poles generally indifferent to wartime memorials and museums (perhaps younger Poles) ?

I would say definitely people care, as you will notice fresh flowers and burning candles at all the places of memory, and not only on for relatives. Younger people? That depends on upbringing.

Here are some pics from Powązki Military Cemetery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pow%C4%85zki_Cemetery Bus#122

The Jewish Cemetery in Warsaw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okopowa_Street_Jewish_Cemetery

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