Poland-My 9-day experience

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Edited by: Bzibzioh Jul 24, 10, 19:40 #91

jonni:

If you're looking for super friendly service, dirt cheap prices and a beach holiday, go somewhere else.

Exactly. If you are looking for a beach vacation - go to Hawaii, not to Poland. Basically have a realistic expectations so you won't be disappointed and saying moronic things like

AussieSheila:

Our beaches are the world's finest, and the best place to surf in the world, only rivalled by Hawaii and California.

All Australians are moronic idiots.
Hey, I can also go for sweeping statements, too!

tygrysThreads: 2 Posts: 402 Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 19:44 #92
AussieSheila: Poland-My experience That's this person's experience, why so many angry posts against her observations, saying it's anti-Polish? Foriegners come to the US abd have their observations as well like fat stupid Americans. Lol. So what? Perhaps the truth hurts.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,529 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 19:50 #93
DariuszTelka: DariuszTelka I see Dariusz entered a tit-for-tat game? >^..^< M-G (yay!)

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,262 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 24, 10, 19:50 #94
Personally i'd like to hear what she wrote about England, she has been there. I bet that ruffled a few feathers too.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 24, 10, 19:52 #95
tygrys: why so many angry posts against her observations, saying it's anti-Polish? They are just ignorant ramblings from a girl who come to Poland expecting big waves on the Baltic Sea and was dissapointed. If anybody for real could be that childish.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,262 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 24, 10, 20:04 #96
Bzibzioh: They are just ignorant ramblings from a girl who come to Poland expecting big waves on the Baltic Sea and was dissapointed. Who the hell wants big waves at the beach any way? Surfers and thats about it.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 20:07 #97
Bzibzioh Bzibzioh: a girl who come to Poland expecting big waves Yes why? Leave a poor girl Poland-My experience so what she is slapper nobody is perfect. AussieSheila: The only thing that can rival western standard is prostitution and night club. Does anyone knows nightclubs for girls. I know one but they got entertainment for girls 2 days a week.

rec0il	Jul 24, 10, 20:29 #98
For some reason people living in Tricity are enjoying summer and do not seem to be bothered by the criticism of Gdańsk: vimeo.com/13339553 :)

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 24, 10, 20:34 #99
Wroclaw Boy: Personally i'd like to hear what she wrote about England, she has been there. I bet that ruffled a few feathers too. She might that there is no enough aboriginal art exhibitions in Britain. Next time she might go to Czech Republic and be disappointed that there is no see at all. Or to Switzerland and complain that there are too many mountains. God knows ...

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 20:38 #100
No big waves in mediteranean sea,no sharks what a boring place.

Lyzko

Jul 24, 10, 20:39 #101

Myself, having visited both England and Poland, can safely assert that both nations reflect their topography: England - mostly flat, somewhat hilly the further north you go, moderate in climate, picturesque and nothing dramatic. Poland - mountainous, further south you get, dramatic shifts in landscape and numerous monuments to shifted borders, won and lost battles, blood shed by countless inhabitants, history rather in one's face.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,710 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 20:48 #102
Bzibzioh: All Australians are moronic idiots. Hey, I can also go for sweeping statements, too! Bzibzioh: They are just ignorant ramblings from a girl who come to Poland expecting big waves on the Baltic Sea and was dissapointed. If anybody for real could be that childish. Bzibzioh give yourself a break, ok?

songbird

Jul 24, 10, 21:01 #103

Torq

Torq:

in itself) was the last straw for me. I'm not going to stay on a forum which allows
obvious trolling (moreover - the trolling gets support from a moderator.)
This is my penultimate post here.

Sometimes the truth hurts, but it is the truth. Having said that there are some great Polish people out there, who invite you into their lives, you break through that barrier which seemely takes years to break. I managed that, maybe because of personality or trust, to the point that they could tell my anything. I class this as a personal achievement, I still have my Polish friends after 10 years. It just takes a long long time for Polish people to really trust a foreigner, this cannot be done on just a visit to Poland. You have to look at the bigger picture.

Torq, you of all people should know this it takes alot of time for the Polish to trust a foreigner, and even then they have to be special to you.

I have Polish friends in Krakow that I could turn up tomorrrow, unexpectedly and it would be party time. The original poster is correct is her observations it is true, but long term it is completely different.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Edited by: Bzibzioh Jul 24, 10, 21:04 #104
zetigrek: Bzibzioh give yourself a break, ok? Nope. I'm done being nice and play by the rules. If even moderators over here are idiots and break their own rules - why do I have to behave? I don't care anymore. songbird: I still have my Polish friends after 10 years. Wanna cookie or something? Should we thank you for patronizing, too?

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Edited by: zetigrek Jul 24, 10, 21:06 #105

Bzibzioh:

If even moderators over here are idiots and break their own rules - why do I have to behave?

its ur paranoia. the girl didnt have any bad intention. Just to make an review of her journey. It is not reason to call Australians "idiots"...

songbird:

Sometimes the truth hurts, but it is the truth. Having said that there are some great Polish people out there, who invite you into their lives, you break through that barrier which seemely takes years to break. I managed that, maybe because of personality or trust, to the point that they could tell my anything. I class this as a personal achievement, I still have my Polish friends after 10 years. It just takes a long long time for Polish people to really trust a foreigner, this cannot be done on just a visit to Poland. You have to look at the bigger picture.

why u can't just take poland the way it is? why do u constatly try to compare it to so called western countries? why do u divide europe into 2 worlds?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 24, 10, 21:16 #106
zetigrek: its ur paranoia. Nope. PF experience. zetigrek: why u can't just take poland the way it is? Because they have to teach us how to be civilized society. Without them we would be still living in caves. Obviously.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 21:22 #107
I really don't see the problem is sb putting out a bad opinion if they can back it up with evidence or exp. I prefer to be positive but a balanced perspective is for choice.

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Jul 24, 10, 21:54 #108

Bzibzioh:

Because they have to teach us how to be civilized society. Without them we would be still living in caves. Obviously.

it is not even that. It is the constant need of some people to compare things they are not familiar with what they know at home, without THAT point of reference they are lost and cannot understand their surroundings and I don't think it is exclusively Western way of thinking.

I just came back from Poland and even though there were some old buildings, neglected perhaps, but the genuine advice of a shop keeper on how to make chlodnik was priceless and when he saw me the next day, he actually asked me how it turned out. It is things I will remember about Poland.

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 22:14 #109
aphrodisiac: but the genuine advice of a shop keeper on how to make chlodnik was priceless You learned a lot in Poland.

songbird	Jul 24, 10, 22:21 #110
zetigrek: why u can't just take poland the way it is? why do u constatly try to compare it to so called western countries? why do u divide europe into 2 worlds? Speak in correct English, then maybe we have a chance.

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Edited by: Seanus Jul 24, 10, 22:42 #111

I think we should always remember that our opinions are largely formed from being in one region of the country. I have made reference to this in recent posts of mine. Gliwice is conservative and that must be borne in mind. Which part of Poland do you live in, Bzibby?

Davie will back me up on this. When I went to Glasgow, there is a different atmos there. Aberdonians are not the same. Folk from Edinburgh are different too. The same applies to Poland.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 24, 10, 22:49 #112
Seanus: I really don't see the problem is sb putting out a bad opinion if they can back it up with evidence or exp. But her evidence sucks: for once in your life wake up Seanus.

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Jul 24, 10, 22:50 #113

Everyone is entitled to their opinions especially if they mean no harm, and it is simply their opinion. I got back from Poland the beginning of July. It was my third trip. Twenty years ago, a friend who was born in Gdańsk showed me pictures of Poland and I was unimpressed. But now, I see the beauty of the architecture.

And on this third trip, I did not even go to the main tourist places, I went to all the villages where my grandparents and their ancestors had lived. I visited old abandoned cemeteries, beautiful churches, ruined castles, but not where everyone else goes. One castle had next to nothing left of it and was located in Bobrowniki on the Vistula river. To me Poland is a mix of the ancient, old and very modern. The people were open and friendly. Possibly because I was interested in them and showed how much I liked Poland, I was made to feel right at home. When I asked directions outside one house, I was invited in for water and the wife set out coffee, tea and wine. Everywhere we went the Polish people were proud to show me their homes, villages.

The owner of the hotel where we stayed for four days even gave me a bottle of vodka to take home. Amazing guest services! We were looking for graves of ancestors one evening and a boy of fifteen showed up to visit his grandmother's grave. How often do you see something like that in other countries.

I found where my grandmother lived on a farm before coming to NY. It was beautiful. Rolling hills, fields of rye, and glacial lakes. I thought my photos would not be exciting to my co-workers as I did not go to Krakow or Gdańsk this time. But, they thought I had a unique vacation and loved my pictures of the villages. My experiences in Poland were of a personal nature, but other people appreciated it too. We all have opinions. In general though, if you go anywhere with joy and appreciation in your heart, you are apt to have a better experience.

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Edited by: Seanus Jul 24, 10, 22:51 #114

Songbird, zetigrek writes very well in English. Have you ever tried writing in Polish?

You want to play that game? What does 'seemely' mean? Seemingly I'd say. 'Torq, you of all people should know this!!' Then your next sentence.

You don't turn up friends, you turn up to their place or drop by. I'll refrain from correcting your typos.

See, it's not nice, is it?

Anyway, back to the thread. Which foreigners here have been invited to a Polish family for a meal? It's a great experience! Some hard-hitting discussions, super food&drink and also a chance to think in a different language.

Bzibby, I suggest you quit with the aggro or you could find yourself off the board quicker than you could ever imagine! Thanks :)

To some it sucks and to others it doesn't. To me, some sucks and some doesn't but I don't put her down for voicing her opinions. Some are just better placed to comment but she was only here for a short time and you must bear that in mind. Stop attacking her!

Now, what part of Poland do you live in again? Please describe the life there.

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,365 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Jul 24, 10, 22:56 #115
Softsong: if you go anywhere with joy and appreciation in your heart, you are apt to have a better experience. Very true. Thanks for saying that - I wish more people would realise :-)

songbird

Jul 24, 10, 22:59 #116

zetigrek:

why u can't just take poland the way it is? why do u constatly try to compare it to so called western countries? why do u divide europe into 2 worlds?

Zetigrek. If you read my original post you will see that your quote is untrue. I did not compare it to Western countries, although there is a great divide. The only part in your posting is, use the word "you" rather than "u", it looks better.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 10, 22:59 #117
I second that!! Go in with an open mind and remember your guest status. Poland has so many good features and positive minds will see that :)

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Jul 24, 10, 22:59 #118

Softsong:

The owner of the hotel where we stayed for four days even gave me a bottle of vodka to take home. Amazing guest services! We were looking for graves of ancestors one evening and a boy of fifteen showed up to visit his grandmother's grave. How often do you see something like that in other countries.

that is what I mean. Small things like that make Poland memorable.

songbird:

Speak in correct English, then maybe we have a chance.

you understand what she means, don't be rude.

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Jul 24, 10, 23:03 #119

Seanus:

I second that!! Go in with an open mind and remember your guest status. Poland has so many good features and positive minds will see that :)

I third that ;) You cannot travel and live in any country unless you go with an open mind about what you will see and how you will fit in without it. You have to take each place as it comes, but never judge anything by only your first hand experience.

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Jul 24, 10, 23:11 #120

It's a bit like teaching, right Davie? I mean in that you cannot really test sb if they don't know the criteria on which they are being tested. An observer did that to me and I just blankly ignored her based on that and her overly authoritarian stance. Poland is not trying to pass a test in the way that others are presenting.

Let's imagine that a Manhattan (NYC) resident comes to his assigned area of Poland and then starts moaning about the lack of McDonalds. Is that fair? Hardly! Poland can be influenced by different countries but not moulded into their conception fully. Let them be, they've endured 43 years of commie rule and are into the dreaded aftermath.

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