U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?

Grzegorz,
I used GDP per head figures and you used PPP and those differ.

the closest link is: eiu.com

I know.

if you know why are you wasting my time, huh?

Oldest reason in the book M. Because you're letting him. Gone Fishin'

I know the difference between nominal GDP and PPP...

Grzegorz,
there is a nice herbaciarnia on Boguslawa called "Fanaberia" -go there and order yourself a nice cup of real chocolate and enjoy. You might get a discount if you tell the owner that you know me.
You will see the world in different colours

What country?




Yup. In 2006 Poland got more financial aid from US than any other country that gets it from America. Usually Israel gets the most, but Bush finally made a good decision in rewarding his allies

( Last bit was on CNN last year )

Trust me.....you would It's always fun. Never bored

Sorry, but we hardly got anything... Military aid is so symbolic that It doesn't even cover 1/4 of our costs in Iraq and Afganistan. In my opinion we should refuse to take that.

No, we got a large sum of money. I remember watching it on the News. It was like the first time in years that Israel didn't recieve the most aid from US. I clearly remember watching it. Maybe it was a lie? Hmm. Never know. News always screws up.

i think if they build it, there will be terrorist attacks later on in poland.

unlesss Mc donalds get there chicken Mc nuggets back

al qaida will have a really god reason to bomb poland, if they were to have a base there.

You mean Al Qaida have taken them hostage?

First of all, Poland knows exactly where it is and where it wants to be. This place is called Europe (read the West). It's been that way a thousand years ago and it is still that way today.

Secondly, America never did forced poland to participate in the so called "war against terrorism". We did it absolutely freerely. Why? Where to start....? Hmmm....

OK. Russia isn't as powerfull as it use to be few decades ago. That's a fact. But that doesn't mean that the gave up on their role in the worlds politics. It still makes attemts to get back in the game, although this time their bargain cost isn't it's nuclear arsenal (well not the primary one at least ) but predominantly GAS! The one that is exported to Europe, especially the eastern one! Through it Russia tries to control it's neighbourgs. If somebody act's in the way they don't like it, they just simply stop the gas supply to this country. it happened with Ukrain after the pro-western "orange revolution", the same happened recently to Belarus and lithuania for example. Fact - Russia still considers the former sviet sateite countries to be THEIR area of political influence. poland joining NATO and EU was an enormous shock for them. A very unpleasant one at that! The rimary goal of Putins poiticks is to keep the formwer eastern bloc countries as close to russia as possible. the problem here is, that just like in 966 AD poland wnt's to be part of western Europe, not eastern and we oppenly show it by our words and our deeds. Russia doesn't like it so they try every way to convince us to change our politicks. that's why they forbid meat imprt from poland to Russia.

And now lets get to the point why Poalnd is such a slave to America. UE ignores all the pleas from Poland, Lithuania, Ungary, etc to help them breakthrough this impas! Britain and france have various sources of gas, Germany is building a gass-pipe with Russians on the bottom of the Baltic sea and the rest of EU members don't have much to say in EU's foreign politics. So basically since they feel safe, they pretend that everything is fine and leave their "partners" alone. What kind of an Union is this i ask you? A crap one i suppose. Since EU doesn't give a sh!t about it's eastern members, than don't blame us that we are looking for an alternative exit from this situation. And the only alternative here seems to be the ol US of A.

Blimey! Please forgive me my spelling (especially Ungary ). I'm really in a hurry.

America isn't perfect, but in contrary to Europe they aren't afraid of political confrontation. Europe hesitates and America acts. Acts of course when they have some purpose and gain in it of course, but it is totally understandable. So the rules of this game are, make everything to convince US that they have a purpose and a gain in defending Polish state.

All those military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't forced upon us by the government of USA, but rather it was a move from our government that was suppose to show them that we are determined to take actions if necessary as well as that our forces, although small, are properly trained.(everybody that heard about polish commando know what I'm talking about) Since EU doesn't want to back us up in the struggle to once and for all exit this "area of Russian interest/influence", maybe US will. Of course maybe. nothing is certain here. Poland is too far away from US and it's position in the international politics is a lot lot lot smaller than Germany's, UK's or France's, but it seems that we don't have much choice, do we?

And there's also one more thing! Both Russia and America try to check-mate themselves in various areas of the world, with the most important one being probably the middle-east! What are the other ones? Well, Russia seems to get very close with Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela! That really must piss Bush off, as it means that Russians are playing in Americas own back yard. Well at least Bush considers it his backyard. How to respond to such a insolent act? I can just hear Bush shouting "Let's do the same! What is the name of Russia's closest neighbour? Our most trusty and loyal ally? Don't tell me, i know it, i know it! Condollera, pack your stuff pronto, we are immidiately flying to Holland!"

Wanna bet ?

Matyjasz,

I said the same things but not in so many words. Poland's economy is weak, so the country has No barganing power.
I don't believe that Poland is such a victim, as it comes out of your reply. Poland has contributed to this weaknes itself as a nation and as a government. Although, I might be wrong. After the communism broke down - the nation got divided into several parts, mainly due to the fact that it's unity has been kept in check for 50 years in a superficial way and due to different interests - as it always happens in any society.

Polish patriotism which served as a tool of opposition against the communist goevernmet does not work in a free society, because it stagnetes the develpment of the capitalistic system.
As for EU - yes, everybody is looking after their own interests - hello. It's time to bite the bullet and see EU for what it is. Why would they be in it if they had not interest, not to have some tea and barszcz with Poles?

EU is a better partner for Poland than the USA, but I think that Poland has some money to pay back (actually a lot) to both, so as sad as it is, it will take a while for Poland to have some power.

You know what is's the most neglected infrastructure in Poland? Roads. In Szczecin before the war there were more bridges over the Odra river, than nowedays - Grzegorz and Kowalski can confirm). It's slowly improving, but why one of the highways acccross northern Poland was build by Hitler, who so many years ago understood that in order to be in power, one needs roads.
Wrocalw is complaining that his city is in construction stage now. It will benefit in the future.
Mateusz,
you are taking things too emotinally. Politics is money and interests and being emotional about it just shows that some of the Polish politicians are on a power trip.
That's a sign of weakness.

PS. Poland is my home too, so please don't take what I said in a wrong way. Iwant it to do well too. It has a lot of potencial, but Poland needs to make smart choices and I know it's not easy. It would be good to learn from other nations for a change. Especially the ones which are doing well.
tcb......

economywise maybe, but militarily no. Poland has strongest military compared to it´s neighbors excluding Germany and even their military is limited by treaties after WW II.

i agree with it. i have read it in a flight international magazine about poland's military and they do have the capabilities of dealing with military issues then other eurpoean countires excluding Germany, france,

Maax,RazZ,

what's the advantage for Poland in that, besides being an underdog for the USA? pfff....

self defence or maybe not to get bullied by other countries. every country has its right to self defence.

^what Razz said plus the US sees Poland as trustworthy and credible ally who is not just on the receiving end but also giving

US sees every ally as trustworthy. but the question is " is the US a trustworthy ally?"

RazZ,

I am sorry, but Poland needs to spend money on other important things such as decreasing unemplyment, building roads, sorting out the health system problems, trying to re-establish good trading realtionship with Russia nad Ukraine, education system (Island has invested in education and they are doing great without the army)and many, many more......Isn't military an expensive, short term solution for Poland?

The USA has both, the economy and the army. Poland is never going to be like the USA.

Does Dubai have an army?

I do agree with you Miranda. Poland does need to repair their economy more. Living standards and employments but at the same time it need to keep its military updated too.

Dubai has its army of Fat people, whos pay cheque keeps on flowing without doing anything.

the USA is as trutsworthy as it needs to be in a given situation. Always has been and always will be. I don't see any differance in comparison to other, powerful countires.



Maax,
which army is weaker than the Polish one?
RazZ, exlcuding Germany, France? -OK- my question is: who are they gonna go against then: Slovakia, Hungary - what for?
Ukraine is not strong, but has a huge trade market for Poland.

the world is becoming more unbalanced princess, all people with power want more power. i dont know what the future hold, but a military is a must for every country.