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U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?


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dmpolska [Guest]
  Mar 18, 07, 11:50  #181

Quoting: miranda

Maax,
which army is weaker than the Polish one?
RazZ, exlcuding Germany, France? -OK- my question is: who are they gonna go against then: Slovakia, Hungary - what for?
Ukraine is not strong, but has a huge trade market for Poland.


What we will do in the future, miranda, is take over the Russian territory of Kaliningrad.

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miranda
Edited by: miranda  Mar 18, 07, 11:53  #182

dmpolska,
I like your sense of humour

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dmpolska [Guest]
  Mar 18, 07, 12:03  #183

Not meant to be funny It will happen. No one in Europe will expect it. First, we will try to settle a deal with Russia for the territory in which we pay a handsome sum. Russia will decline, a year later after that we stage aggression (ala Case White) and march to redeem the territory.

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Matyjasz
  Mar 18, 07, 18:40  #184

Quoting: miranda
I said the same things but not in so many words. Poland's economy is weak, so the country has No barganing power.
I don't believe that Poland is such a victim, as it comes out of your reply.


Not exactly. You said that one of the reasons why Poland is so pro-American is because it is forced to it and also because Poles have some kind of an identity crisis. The only thing that we actually agree upon is that Poland isn't definitely a "first league player".

As for the victim part, no, we still aren't victims and let us keep it that way.

Quoting: miranda
Poland has contributed to this weaknes itself as a nation and as a government. Although, I might be wrong. After the communism broke down - the nation got divided into several parts, mainly due to the fact that it's unity has been kept in check for 50 years in a superficial way and due to different interests - as it always happens in any society.


Poland only had 20 years time for economical, administratory, etc unification of three different parts of land, that were kept separated for almost 123 years. This process was violently interrupted by WWII which significantly affected Polish economy as well as Polish population. To top it all up we had over 40 years of socialism, where the term effectiveness basically didn't exist. It will take a lot of time to make things work as they suppose to. Could the Polish governments made better in the last 17 years? Probably they could. As the Italians say " After the ship has sunk, everyone knows how she might have been saved." But it certainly isn't the major cause of present Poland’s weakness.

Quoting: miranda
As for EU - yes, everybody is looking after their own interests - hello. It's time to bite the bullet and see EU for what it is. Why would they be in it if they had not interest, not to have some tea and barszcz with Poles?


Never mix barszcz with tea. Poland already bit this bullet. That's why we are having this conversation. Since all the major EU countries care about their own interest and are not willing to back their eastern members, Poland will care about it's own interest and look for allies outside EU. Simple.

Quoting: miranda
EU is a better partner for Poland than the USA, but I think that Poland has some money to pay back (actually a lot) to both, so as sad as it is, it will take a while for Poland to have some power.


It certainly has an enormous potential, but... Yeah, unfortunately there is a "but". EU should once and for all state if it wants to be "a one body", or a group of countries connected between each other only by free market. If the answer will be the latter, than I don't think that EU has the right to influence polish foreign politicks. Simple.

Quoting: miranda
Mateusz,
you are taking things too emotinally. Politics is money and interests and being emotional about it just shows that some of the Polish politicians are on a power trip.
That's a sign of weakness.


Yes I am emotional, but quite frankly I don't think that it affects my views. I find myself being a very reasonable fella.

PS: All this doesn't mean that I don't see the dangers that might come with an alliance with US of A, as well as that I am so naive to think that we will be their no1 "friend"/ally.
PPS: My name is Maciej and not Mateusz

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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 18, 07, 20:44  #185

I can't believe Polish politicians are going to pimp out their daughters to the blacks of the United States military for American dollars.

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Grzegorz_
  Mar 18, 07, 20:51  #186

Quoting: polish pride

I can't believe Polish politicians are going to pimp out their daughters to the blacks of the United States military for American dollars.


What... ?

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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 19, 07, 19:14  #187

Who do you think is going to man the missile base if it is built. It will be the blacks of the United States military not Poles. Polish politicians are being paid off financially by the United States to allow this to happen. Anyone Polish person with a daughter in Poland should be afraid. They will be prostitutes for the blacks.

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Huegel
  Mar 19, 07, 19:17  #188

Quoting: polish pride
They will be prostitutes for the blacks.


Don't they have special institutions for that kind of thing. The poster I mean, we all know about the other thing.

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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 19, 07, 23:05  #189

Look at the prostitutes by United States military bases in Germany, that is the future for Polish women if the missile base is built in Poland.

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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 19, 07, 23:12  #190

Instead of stupid insults give me intelligent reasons why this won't happen.

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King Sobieski
  Mar 19, 07, 23:29  #191

Quoting: polish pride
Instead of stupid insults give me intelligent reasons why this won't happen.


to what?

black americans?

us bases?

or prostitutes?

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Patrycja19
  Mar 19, 07, 23:36  #192

Quoting: polish pride
Instead of stupid insults give me intelligent reasons why this won't happen.


why dont you give us intelligent reasons why you believe its all going to be a black
missle base?

I know plenty of White service men who were based in Germany. you act like
its all going to be black, and you knock down polands ethic background by saying
all these polish girls are going to be pimped out by their parents to these guys.

I highly doubt that will happen, I think you are having a mental breakdown or
something, as i hear Poland is very well cultured and as for prostitutes , they
exist in every country unfortunately.

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Grzegorz_
  Mar 20, 07, 00:59  #193

Quoting: polish pride
Who do you think is going to man the missile base if it is built. It will be the blacks of the United States military not Poles. Polish politicians are being paid off financially by the United States to allow this to happen. Anyone Polish person with a daughter in Poland should be afraid. They will be prostitutes for the blacks.


Hard to comment such **********, but let me only say that the whole base is going to have 300 people... You may often find more foreigners on the main market in Kraków.

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RazZ
  Mar 20, 07, 02:37  #194

i think he has a serious problem with blacks and other colored people.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 20, 07, 19:22  #195

I have some questions...

How would NATO missile bases protect Poland from terrorism when NATO on one side provoce Muslim world and on the other side colaborate with Muslim extremists?

What Poles think about fact that NATO, EU, Germany, Britain, USA support expansion (creation) of Islamic states on Balkan? Are Poles informed about this fact? I am really curious. In Serbia, on Kosovo, we have situation that Polish soldiers were positioned on Kosovo as part of NATO alliance but, Albanians consider them as enemies because they see that Poles trying to protect Serbs from local Muslim extremists. So, Poles on Kosovo have problem. They must choose- to ignore Serbian sufferings and pretend that Albanian extremism doesn`t exist (like all NATO troops do) or try to do something for salvation of Slavic element on Kosovo & Metohija.

Germany (USA, too) has great misunderstandings with Russia. Why would Poland choose to be in the middle of that, if come to some conflict situation? Where is Polish interests in that, even if we imagine that Russian state colapse and stop to exist?

Why Poland don`t behave like great Slavic power (with influence on Slavic countries), when Poles are respected all over the Slavic world and Slavs still (not for long with this global megatrends) holds strategic regions of Europe?

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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 20, 07, 19:32  #196

If Poland were a rich country maybe there wouldn't be a risk of a rise in prostitution. Unfortunately, it is not and poor people tend to abandon their morals when there is money to be made prostituting oneself. For example, look at the Czech Republic which has become the porn capital of Europe. As for there only being 300, the movie 300 Spartans shows 300 people can do an an awful amount of damage. Also, blacks are being recruited by the American military in droves because they come from deprived areas. I believe there are better and more moral ways to to bring jobs and money to Poland than to be a house of prostitution for American soldiers.

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ArturSzastak
  Mar 20, 07, 19:35  #197

Quoting: polish pride
Also, blacks are being recruited by the American military in droves because they come from deprived areas.




They can't recruit them. The only reason more and more blacks are passing the trainign courses is because they tend to be more athletic. Look at football and basketball. They used to be all "white" sports. Blacks now dominate both.

Same thing is happening with football elsewhere. Brazil is dominant force of soccer, and Nigeria was a huge surprise in the world cup. (It was Nigeria right? I hope I'm not cinfusing them with Niger or any other country)

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larry casula
  Mar 20, 07, 19:46  #198

polish Pride,
That is so far off!!, Blacks are not recruited by the military because they are in poor areas, these are volunteers, they have to go into the store to volunteer, there is no one from the mililtary going ito the ghetto looking for blacks, it is ridiculous to assert, please tear up that propoganda you are reading it is only good for the birds cage!!!!

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BubbaWoo
  Mar 20, 07, 20:01  #199

Quoting: larry casula
there is no one from the mililtary going ito the ghetto looking for blacks, it is ridiculous to assert


i think you might find this goes on all the time larry...

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ArturSzastak
  Mar 20, 07, 20:10  #200

Quoting: BubbaWoo
i think you might find this goes on all the time larry...



They go to highschools a lot more than they go to ghettos.

Besides, most of the blacks just happen to live in poorer areas. The reason the military goes there is because they know the people will understand its a very wise career choice for them.

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shewolf
  Mar 20, 07, 20:14  #201

Quoting: BubbaWoo
i think you might find this goes on all the time larry...


He's right. The recruiters go to the high schools and pressure students into joining. It got to be such a problem that recruiters are going to be banned from campuses, if they haven't already.

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shewolf
  Mar 20, 07, 20:16  #202

Quoting: ArturSzastak
The reason the military goes there is because they know the people will understand its a very wise career choice for them.


But sometimes they give them false promises. They paint a better picture than it really is.

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ArturSzastak
  Mar 20, 07, 20:17  #203

Quoting: shewolf
He's right. The recruiters go to the high schools and pressure students into joining. It got to be such a problem that recruiters are going to be banned from campuses, if they haven't already.



They can't pressure you to join. They can give you pamphlets and DVDs and stand there with a big board and things to give out. Mostly stress-balls with "Navy" or "Army" written on them. I'm waiting for the flyboys to come


Also the school can decide whether they can even send people who hand out information to those willing to take it. Only people who ask get the info. Not everyone

Where is it a problem??? It's not here

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Huegel
  Mar 20, 07, 20:20  #204

If the Navy are ever around your way, grab me a Navy stress ball mate!

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ArturSzastak
  Mar 20, 07, 20:22  #205

Quoting: Huegel
If the Navy are ever around your way, grab me a Navy stress ball mate!



I've alrady got one. Its a lil basketball, and its blue

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Patrycja19
  Mar 20, 07, 23:34  #206

Quoting: polish pride
look at the Czech Republic which has become the porn capital of Europe.


you know I seen a documentary on this and it was young girls forced into it.
and some sick people making them do it, they find these girls, some taken
from their homes (yes kidnapped) and its a underground operation, one of
our well known reporters ( who is very against this) went to one undercover
he got the girl out, but there was so many. the one he got out he took to a
safe haven. out of that country, and this goes on in alot of countries.

so it isnt all because they want to, some are forced, and its sad to know that
there are so many sick people out there who would take young girls and do this
they need to stop this, some of these young girls dont have a chance.

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Patrycja19
  Mar 20, 07, 23:39  #207

Quoting: polish pride
blacks are being recruited by the American military in droves because they come from deprived areas. I believe there are better and more moral ways to to bring jobs and money to Poland than to be a house of prostitution for American soldiers.


I think you would cry about your own shadow.. lol watch out it might get you.

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Zgubiony
  Mar 21, 07, 16:45  #208

Quoting: Patrycja19
I think you would cry about your own shadow

Yeah. He's a big baby. He's so afraid of black people stealing the PL women from him.

Scared Pride....Have some respect for your own people...all you're saying is that PL women will choose to be prostitutes for the easy money.

You have no Idea about what you're talking. All you're doing is crying about blacks. Stop being so scared.


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Huegel
  Mar 21, 07, 16:50  #209

Quoting: Patrycja19
I think you would cry about your own shadow..


I've slapped mine with an injunction. They told it straight. You're not to come within 10 feet of Huegel during the hours of daylight.

But no, always there, well except when it's raining. Crafty bugger.

He just wont get a hint.
But at night, when I could do with some company. He's nowhere to be found.

Stalkers eh? Can't live with them, can't feel wanted without them.

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larry casula
  Mar 21, 07, 18:29  #210

Back to recruiters,
They are allowed to go into schools because they are federally funded, they go to college campuses as well. They do make it sound better thanit is, but be honest have you oever been sold anything , well I wont go to the extreme, but when was the last time you bought something from a salesman unseen and liked it completly. It would be illegal for them to target ghettos, besides it would be like we call in real estate "steering" a particular family based on race or creed to a certain nieghborhood because we might think they like it better with their own kind. In recruiter stations, they are like stores, and people have the free will to go in or not. They are high pressure, but if someone goes in its on them, like I said it is 100% volunteer, I considered it because it gave me 25K towards college per year, but did not go for it.
Again it would be illegal if they targetted blacks or underprivledged, i know the entrance of them is high in military, but where can you go that will give great benefits (medical,)
for when you are out. All my fathers brothers are vets, and they served the country well.
So if they are there my hats off to them, they are serving us well.

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