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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 21, 07, 20:46  #211

If polish people had respect for themselves they would demand that the missile base be run by polish soldiers instead of by foreigner invaders who could care less about poland or its people.
Polish people need to email their politicians that they won't vote for them if they support this base. This is because the only thing politicans care about is getting reelected. If this doesn't work people should chain themselves to the ground where this base is to be built to show the world we don't want it.

 
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King Sobieski
  Mar 21, 07, 21:47  #212

Quoting: polish pride
If polish people had respect for themselves they would demand that the missile base be run by polish soldiers instead of by foreigner invaders who could care less about poland or its people.



fair enough...could be worse, Poland could have the Russian protective arm instead.

 
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daffy
  Mar 22, 07, 04:45  #213

Quoting: King Sobieski
instead of by foreigner invaders


oh come on Polish pride. hardly invaders for god sake!

they are not raping your women, killing your children, purging the land and destroying the country.

Poland is a member of NATO and the EU. and INVITED this upon itself as Poland WANTS to be in the EU and NATO. If you dont, elect a gov't that will take you out of it

Fact is, Poland invited this into poland. because some people (thankfully) see the benefits of strength in numbers and the ability to become a prosperous Poland

 
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daffy
  Mar 22, 07, 04:46  #214

sorry king sob, i know you quoted a quote and it just came up that way. soz

 
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Edited by: Crow  Mar 22, 07, 06:58  #215

Quoting: King Sobieski


Quoting: polish pride
If polish people had respect for themselves they would demand that the missile base be run by polish soldiers instead of by foreigner invaders who could care less about poland or its people.



fair enough...could be worse, Poland could have the Russian protective arm instead.

That was honest answer.




I could also suggest that Polish people demand domestic `labour force` in important bases on Polish territory.

Also, it is fact that Russian `arm` wasn`t especialy protective when comes to Polish people and interests. On the contrary- Russian elite proved themselves as very selfish. I would say, danegorously selfish.

Russian elite never taken in consideration that Western and Southern Slavs often were natural shield of Russia from possible invasion on Russian territory from non-Slavic Western parts of Europe. In the same time, Russia absorbed many refuges from all Slavic countries and that contributed to number of Russian population.

Not to mention that Russian princes and warlords were even involved in slave trade and that they used to capture Slavic slaves and to sell brotherly Slavs to foreigners as slaves, even to Arabs and to Jewish traders (I would latter provide Net link in case with this information). In slave trade, first victims of Rusian warlords were Russians (as, usualy) and then all other Slavs. It was biggest sin of Russian elite!

As, I said many times, I respect Russian people very much but, Russian elite greatly failed. Serbs wouldn`t forget how Russian voluntiers and pan-Slavic orriented Russian elite (same as famous Polish King Jan Sobieski with Polish knights), supported Balkans in their fight aginst Ottoman Turks, while Western Europe benefits from status quo- from Turkish occupation of Balkan Slavs.


On the other side, Poland is in alliance with Turky and Germany, now. With Hungary, too- that German lap dog. All that is absolutely mind blowing concept to me but, that`s how it is. I know, that`s politics and people need to progress, cooperate and heal the rifts from past (I`m all for it, on the first place in inter Slavic relations), but Poles, be aware that Germans and Turks even in this very moment work against Slavs (by that logic against Polish interest, too). In some projects they are togather, in deal. They remodeling the Slavic world and replace people (on Slavic territories) which is loyal to Slavdom with people which is more `cooperative`. THEY create THEIR world and when they do it they don`t care for democracy, human rights, same rights, preservation of Christian values... just, when you don`t obey, THEY first activate propaganda machinery and then crush you.

 
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LoneStranger
  Mar 22, 07, 08:55  #216

Quoting: Crow
Crow

Calm Down.

 
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Grzegorz_
  Mar 22, 07, 09:02  #217

Quoting: polish pride
the missile base be run by polish soldiers


That's completely impossible. Americans wouldn't let anyone, even British to run one of the most important of their systems.

 
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monsmoy [Guest]
  Mar 22, 07, 11:17  #218

Hey,
Im British and i say if you want friends in the World its better to have the USA and Britain on your side than having Germany or Russia or France pretending to be your friends.Lets get this straight Polish people.Has the USA or Great Britain ever invaded Poland? NO Has France Germany or Russia ever invaded Poland YES
Do the Russians Germans or French like the Poles NO Do the British and Americans like the Poles generally YES its only a minority of lazy good for nothing on the dole useless moaning gits in Britain that moan about hard working Poles.Its the same here in Germany .I have great Polish friends and Colleagues id rather work with Polish people anytime than work with a German.

 
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Grzegorz_
  Mar 22, 07, 11:39  #219

Quoting: monsmoy
NO Has France Germany or Russia ever invaded Poland YES


France ?

 
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daffy
  Mar 22, 07, 11:42  #220

napoleonic times methinks...

 
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Edited by: Crow  Mar 22, 07, 15:45  #221

Quoting: LoneStranger


Quoting: Crow
Crow

Calm Down.

Tell me nicely- why you said that?

That what I can tell to you (any average Serb)- BBC, CNN, DEUTSCHE WELLE, AL JAZEERA and other media of false West wouldn`t tell you never.

NATO is dangerous for Poland. They are not friends, far from that. Look what NATO did to Serbia, only becuase we resist to membership in NATO and EU (after they initiated destruction of Yugoslavia) because we believe that Slavic Union represents batter solution for Serbia and Slavs in general. Only that way we have chance to establish real democracy and to prosper, to survive as native Europeans. Yugoslavia was prosperious and full of potentials and that`s why that Slavic state was destroyed. And, now they destroying Serbia and we have question- Should FOREIGN nuclear base be establish in Poland? My God- we speak about FOREIGN nuclear base, surrounded with Polish people- woman, man and children. That is madness!


THEY need Slavic resources and more Slavs for assimilation. They don`t give a sh** for democracy and human rights!

They occupy Serbian territory. They spread Islam and create Islamic states on ancient Slavic ground! Ask Polish/Ukrainian soldiers on Kosovo who are beasts- Serbs or Albanian mujaheedines. Ask Scotish (and many other) soldiers who were in Bosnia who were beasts- Bosnian mujaheedines and Croatian ustashe or Serbs.

Look...

youtube.com/watch?v=gRxnektGUZU&mode=related&search=


Man has specific approach but, he speaks only truth. That`s how it is.

One information... Vojislav Seselj originates from family of Catholic Serbs from Herzegovina. Source of information: Serbian parliament.

 
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LoneStranger
  Mar 22, 07, 15:49  #222

Quoting: Crow
Crow

One sided.

Serbs did too much atrocities. The world over knows it. There is no justification. Be is slav or anybody. We are all human, and that is the most important fact of our lives. Those who do crime must be brough to justice, who ever they are.

 
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LoneStranger
  Mar 22, 07, 15:50  #223

Although there is no acceptable independent body doing it now. We all know who DRIVES the world nowadays... U...s...a

 
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Edited by: Crow  Mar 22, 07, 16:34  #224

Quoting: LoneStranger


Quoting: Crow
Crow

One sided.

Serbs did too much atrocities. The world over knows it. There is no justification. Be is slav or anybody. We are all human, and that is the most important fact of our lives. Those who do crime must be brough to justice, who ever they are.

It is tragic when inocente people suffer, I agree. I am for justice, too. As I know, all Serbs are for justice and international order. Serbs are against crimes. We never supported that somebody commit crime in our name.

But, we didn`t start hostilities. Serbs were first victims. Serbs defended themselves.


From day to day more and more free minded people all around the Europe and world see and understand true reasons of destruction of Yugoslavia and Serbia. Serbs are demonized in `Western` media.

I can tell to you that there are many things what we Serbs could do batter then we did but, we defended ourselves and Slavic interests and we were alone, in agony. Where was Russia, Poland, etc? We didn’t attack Croatians or Bosnian Muslims or Albanians. We didn’t START! It is they who started bloody conflict, in last civil war, in WWII- all on the behalf of German interests and to weak Slavic element in the region.

Do you know that thousands of Serbs was killed in Srebrenica before Bosnian Serbs reacted to revenge those who were mutilated by mujaheedines and to save what can be saved. What Poles do when Poland bleeds? What would you do if Germany recognize independence of some part of Poland?! What would you do, brate? What would you do if BBC then starts to spread lies that Polish soldiers are occupational forces on that `former` Polish territory? What would you do? And, if you try to stop them they would launch- propaganda, economic sanctions, isolations and they would attack you. They would teach you what are human rights of Germans who wants to take part of Polish territory.

Do you know that Croatian children in schools learn that they aren’t Slavs? Do you know that? That was their struggle for independence. Germany posses them absolutely and official Poland is in alliance with Germany! Ask Croats- who they are. They are absolutely indoctrinate with anti-Slavic Nazi ideology. They were/are in alliance with mujaheedines.

And, Serbs- those bad guys. You would have 10.000 Dinaric Serbs in arms (in 24 hours!) if Germany just try to harm Poland or any Slavic country. Think about it Poles, before you destroy bridge behind you.


Do you know that Croatian ustashe killed 700.000 Serbs in genocide during WWII (Serbs which were domicile people on their own land in today`s Croatia)? You don’t know but, you say- Calm down.


I would calm down when Serbia become free and Serbian nation reunited. I would cam down when Slavs unites. And, I would calm down when Lusatia get independence!

That is my respond to THEM and let those who must obey, obey. Serbs don’t obey!


FREEDOM TO SLAVDOM!

 
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  Mar 22, 07, 16:39  #225

Quoting: LoneStranger
We all know who DRIVES the world nowadays... U...s...a

NO!

Nobady can DRIVE free people. Free people are aware of important spiritual and phisical values which must be deffended. Free people choose to live free and not in slavery.

Never again- house of slavery!


RESISTANCE IS SPRING OF FREE LIFE!

 
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King Sobieski
  Mar 22, 07, 16:44  #226

Quoting: Grzegorz_
France ?


Quoting: daffy
napoleonic times methinks...



napoleon didnt invade poland...i thought the poles gave him free passage to attack Russia.

 
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King Sobieski
  Mar 22, 07, 16:45  #227

Quoting: Grzegorz_
France ?


Quoting: daffy
napoleonic times methinks...



napoleon didnt invade poland...i thought the poles gave him free passage to attack Russia.

 
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Edited by: Crow  Mar 22, 07, 17:00  #228

Quoting: monsmoy
Do the British and Americans like the Poles generally YES

Britain coolaborated with Turks during Ottoman occupation of Balkan Slavs. Serbia was in alliance with Britain in WWI and you let Serbia alone when Austro-Hungaria atacked us. Yugoslavia was in alliance with Britain but Britain betrayed us and supported expansion of communism in Yugoslavia during and after WWII. Yugoslavia was key country of non-aligned countries movement and true example of multiculturalism and Britain supported Germany in destruction of Yugoslavia. Britain support expansion of Islamic calyphates on Balkan.

I don`t respect- nor Englishmen`s, nor Britain.

Britain (ruled by cruel English) isn`t friend of Slavs. You just have your interests and that is not the worse (I respect that). Problem is that you like to take and you don`t like to give in return.

Irish, Scotish and Welsh people is something else. They survived as native Europeans. Serbs respect them and understand because, they also were English victims.

 
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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 22, 07, 19:48  #229

American soldiers already have been convicted of rape at their military base in Okinawa. The people there want them to leave. At least Russians are fellow slavs and not people from a different culture like the Americans. The Americans should build their base in some other part of Nato like Greece or Italy closer to Iran if they're worried about the Iranians launching missiles.

 
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King Sobieski
Edited by: King Sobieski  Mar 22, 07, 20:13  #230

Quoting: polish pride
At least Russians are fellow slavs and not people from a different culture like the Americans


ahhh yes, being fellow slavs, the russian government treated the poles with the utmost respect.

actually, the current polish government should apologise to the russians for their previous governments ungratefulness towards ncommunism.

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 22, 07, 23:32  #231

Quoting: polish pride
American soldiers already have been convicted of rape at their military base in Okinawa.


oh please, and this never happens in Poland? come on, we all have our idiots
that unfortunately until something happens are finally imprisoned.

Quoting: polish pride
are fellow slavs and not people from a different culture like the Americans


Now I have to say FYI again over and over.

Americans are Europeans and other nationalities which immigrated here.

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 22, 07, 23:35  #232

Quoting: King Sobieski
ahhh yes, being fellow slavs, the russian government treated the poles with the utmost respect.


Wow, your right, they never ever tried to do any harm to fellow slavs did they?

gosh I need to re-read my history books, somewhere in them, I was told alot of
things that are untrue.

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 22, 07, 23:38  #233

Quoting: Crow
NO!

Nobady can DRIVE free people. Free people are aware of important spiritual and phisical values which must be deffended. Free people choose to live free and not in slavery.

Never again- house of slavery!


chill, Lonestranger was merely stating a fact that the USA is leading the drive to
bring more to poland, no ones coming to make everyone a slave. where did that
even come from?

If the govt and the people say no, we go on about our merry business, your not
forced into anything. relax guy!

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 22, 07, 23:41  #234

Quoting: polish pride
American soldiers already have been convicted of rape at their military base in Okinawa


oops and forgot to add, was it 1 American idiot or was it the whole base of idiots?

cause one bad apple should be convicted I agree on that! if more are involed
then convict emm all. but dont point fingers , we have your back and your acting
like a scared rabbit!

 
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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 23, 07, 00:34  #235

If Polish people can prevent one Polish girl from being raped or from becoming a prostitue for American soldiers by not having this American base here I think it is worth it.
Also, I don't have a problem with American soldiers of Polish descent coming to Poland but American soldiers are mostly non slavic.

 
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polish pride [Guest]
  Mar 23, 07, 00:42  #236

By the way the 3 American rapists in Okinawa raped a 12 year old girl and not suprisingly they were all black.

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 23, 07, 20:33  #237

Well good luck stopping the base. seems to be in the works whether you want it
or not. my opinion, of the whole matter is , getting online and whining about it
isnt going to stop it . you seem to be a person who wants answers, but do nothing
to get results.

you want all the others who live there to chain themselfs to the ground, but
I doubt you will be in the middle of it now will you.

I as a American Pole, want whats best for Poland. they are the ones who make
the decisions , whether its right , wrong, its happening. I dont know that it can
improve or impact polands economy in a good way or bad way. because it hasnt
even happened yet. so I guess its a we shall see matter.

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 23, 07, 20:38  #238

Quoting: polish pride
By the way the 3 American rapists in Okinawa raped a 12 year old girl and not suprisingly they were all black.


well its ashame that three out of many good soldiers went off the band wagon,
and i am sure they will pay for their wrong doing. no one deserves that.

I do hope they get a deemable punishment. but I wont hold opinions against
the whole black community because again, this could have been three white
fellas, and to say that is impossible is to say you have no brain.

sorry but thats my opinion and I will keep to it.

 
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ArturSzastak
  Mar 23, 07, 20:42  #239

Quoting: Patrycja19
well its ashame that three out of many good soldiers went off the band wagon,
and i am sure they will pay for their wrong doing. no one deserves that.

I do hope they get a deemable punishment. but I wont hold opinions against
the whole black community because again, this could have been three white
fellas, and to say that is impossible is to say you have no brain.

sorry but thats my opinion and I will keep to it



Patrycja....I admire your stubborn-ness, but give up with them. They're a lost cause. I gave up (not quit, but grew tired) and i'm doing fine

Gotta love yuh for keeping up. *hugs*

 
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Patrycja19
  Mar 23, 07, 21:06  #240

Quoting: ArturSzastak
Patrycja....I admire your stubborn-ness, but give up with them. They're a lost cause. I gave up (not quit, but grew tired) and i'm doing fine

Gotta love yuh for keeping up. *hugs*


Artur, it doesnt even phase me anymore lol.

yes stubborn is me I blame my dad for that.

Thanks for the hug, Back at ya. its too bad this guy dont use all that hot air
to do something about it. I am very open and very stubborn everywhere I go
as the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and I get squeaky
all the time!! lol



Lets just hope for the best where everyones concerned.

 
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