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U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?


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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Feb 8, 08, 19:21  #2731

I'd like to hear from all the Americans on these forums who share my opinion that we should NOT spend any more of OUR taxpayers dollars on defence programs for foreign countries, especially democratic and wealthy EU; if they want it they should build it and pay for it themselfs.

If the US puts the anti-missile umbrella over Europe, not only we'll have to pay for it out of our own pockets, but also we'll be blamed for anything that goes wrong in the future, without giving any credit for the positive outcome.

So let's just spend the money in the States, on OUR economy, infrastructure, health-care, senior citizens and education.



What's your opinion?

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Bratwurst Boy
  Feb 8, 08, 21:39  #2732

I am all for it! :)

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Eurola
  Feb 8, 08, 21:44  #2733

Hey, Dice we need to keep Europe in check, you know.
It doesn't hurt to stick our fingers in there. The folks in EU don't really 'love" each other and they still fear American interference, don't they! :) Maybe that's why they oppose our being there.

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 10:13  #2734

Dice wrote:
that we should NOT spend any more of OUR taxpayers dollars on defence programs for foreign countries,


This is also our defense in the USA. When you hear the threats from Russia, they are using Poland in a third party to threaten USA. Many are seeing the real picture in the political circles. Anti missile is important to Poland because they think just like the USA, they fight for the same things we fight for. Most important, this anti missile protects from Iran, Iraq and yes if need be Russia. I am very confident in money spent in this manner. I was also very happy that Pres. Bush want this signed sealed before his term is up. Remember 911 was not from the USA. We have allies in Europe that may very well be targeted for fighting along side USA.

Some of our Polititians are seeing Russia as our number one threat now.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 10:26  #2735

celinski wrote:
Many are seeing the real picture


russia inteprets the polish missile base as agressive western military expansion and this is a fair conclusion for them to draw. americans claim that this base is not aimed against the russians but is anyone nieive enough to actually believe that, especially given the rhetoric that a new phase in the arms race is unfolding

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 10:42  #2736

BubbaWoo wrote:
as agressive western military expansion



Call it what you like, Russia should not threaten and act like they still occupy Poland. USA is covering Poland and USA's but*. You watch Russia will shut down pipe line, just as they did to Ukraine. Russia is saying, "it's my way or the highway" (I love that song). USA is saying to Poland, "Never walk alone"

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BubbaWoo
Edited by: BubbaWoo  Feb 9, 08, 10:54  #2737

russia closed its bases in cuba and vietnam but saw no similar compromise from america. instead, it is being given nato build up right on its borders... how do you really expect them to feel

your problem carol is that you so deeply believe american rhetoric that you are unable to step outside your mind set to view the situation from another perspective

and such blinkerness always causes problems

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 10:57  #2738

BubbaWoo wrote:
unable to step outside your mind set to view the situation from another perspective



I think it's more learning from the past. Who keeps threatening who here. We are speaking of an"anti missile base", like the ones Russia is giving to Iran. You do not see USA saying if you give them this we will take it out, yet it is just as much of a threat to world peace if not more.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 11:16  #2739

if we take a moment to compare recent military expansion worldwide then america is leading the way. as putin has recently said, it is clear that a new era of military dominance is unfolding in the world and it is not one being lead by russia

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 11:18  #2740

BubbaWoo wrote:
a new era of military dominance is unfolding in the world


Yes and this is due to letting our guard down on 911. Anti missile's came into play prior to this attack.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 11:22  #2741

that may well be your view carol but do not expect the rest of the world to agree with you

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 11:24  #2742

BubbaWoo wrote:
do not expect the rest of the world to agree with you


I won't Bubba, but don't worry when and if it is ever needed it will cover your but* too. I thought you were anti war, is a missile defense not anti?

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 11:26  #2743

i am neither pro war nor nieive enough to believe that the missile base is purely defensive

nor do i foresee a threat where a large american military presense is needed to cover my behind

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 11:29  #2744

BubbaWoo wrote:
a large american military presense


It is rather small. Reguardless, they got you back.

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 15:32  #2745

Good news is that Tusk stuck to plans.


At a press conference after a meeting with the Russian President, Tusk said that Vladimir Putin is not an “enthusiast” of the deployment of the American anti-missile shield in Poland, but respects Poland’s freedom to decide about its own safety. The Polish PM ensured him that the shield would not be directed against Russia.





http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=75480

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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 15:42  #2746

Tusk was there 4 the Smirnoff only methinks. Gift exchange!!

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 15:54  #2747

Seanus wrote:
Gift exchange!!



If it works, send more.

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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 15:58  #2748

The conclusion from the meeting should have been Tusk saying, 'u mean to say I flew all the way here just to hear that?'. A call or e-mail session would've been cheaper, sorry, just my Aberdonian cost-cutting view, LOL

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 16:01  #2749

It was already a done deal.

an agreement between the Polish and US governments had been struck concerning the rules of American support for Poland´s air protection, which was one of the key conditions of Warsaw agreeing to the antimissile shield being located within Poland

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=75367

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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 16:08  #2750

So, it was a confirmation meeting? Did he really have to fly all the way just to do that? Hell, even an sms would have been enough. Dear Vladimir, please confirm ur agreement to the shield's installation, thx'. Period!!

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 16:14  #2751

Seanus wrote:
Did he really have to fly all the way just to do that



LOL I don't think this 7th aggreement was disclosed until Tusk was safe out of Russia.

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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 16:15  #2752

I'm surprised he wasn't detained for further questioning

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southern
  Feb 9, 08, 16:15  #2753

Seanus wrote:
Did he really have to fly all the way just to do that?


No,he flied to taste some genuine caviar.

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Seanus
  Feb 9, 08, 16:17  #2754

Caviar, good old fish eggs. Robi³ jaja z Putinem na pewno

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 16:18  #2755

southern wrote:
taste some genuine caviar.


I didn't see this artical until now. Putin must have known otherwise he wouldn't have quited down about "Katyn".

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Lukasz
  Feb 9, 08, 16:18  #2756

This meeting was prepared 3-4 months ago. Shield was one of problems discussed there.

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southern
  Feb 9, 08, 16:19  #2757

celinski wrote:
Putin must have known otherwise he wouldn't have quited down about "Katyn".


I am sorry but if you taste russian vodka and caviar,you soon forget about Katyn.

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 16:19  #2758

Lukasz wrote:
This meeting was prepared 3-4 months ago. Shield was one of problems discussed there.



Did you know that an aggreement was made on it?

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joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Feb 9, 08, 16:28  #2759

celinski wrote:
It was already a done deal.


I heard this Sikorski on Radio Netherlands earlier in the week, but he didn't go into detail about what was discussed in Washington...anyway, Poland should provide for it's own defense, air or otherwise...don't depend solely on US/NATO...look what happened in Serbia when the US/NATO went in...a disaster...and who was president?...Bill Clinton...
well, now his charming 'bride' will become US President...will she defend Poland?...as an aside to this, many don't know that Hillary's dad, Hugh 'Rodham', was a bagman for the Chicago mob, and that he worked with the former Polish-American Congressman Dan Rostomkowski on some, shall we say, 'projects'...in fact, I read an article in an online journal last week where the writer went into some detail about Hillary Clinton's background, and actually called her 'Hillary Rodomski'!...maybe she is Polish!...she does have Jewish in-laws.

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celinski
  Feb 9, 08, 16:33  #2760

joepilsudski wrote:
Poland should provide for it's own defense, air or otherwise


She has to start somewhere and the way Russia acted do you really think if USA wasn't backing this Russia ever would have let it happen. What is taking place is Poland along with USA are demanding future independence. I for one will sleep better knowing Poland is safe from future threats. Now Poland is going to have assurance that "freedom" will stay.

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