U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?

I will be not surprised if Poles now will resign form US shield.

Russia stoped threating them, now it is part of USA - Russia discussion.

Poland can rise stake for USA to level USA can't accept, they will play to gain time and wait for new USA president. All in all details havent been agreed.

Poles are very insubordinate nation and they will do everything to achieve their aims. Their aim isn't Poland-USA alliance, it is strong EU with strong Polands position.

Miste, I must say I disagree, I think the shield will be installed regardless..Theirs many reasons for the shield..Yes Russian threats added more determination to reach agreement..However Russia is not the only factor in this project.....

Russian bomber buzzes U.S. aircraft carrier

February 12, 2008, CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/11/russian.bomber/index.html

surely one can hardly call a bomber flying at 2000 ft 'buzzing'

While I was aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln we had a couple of Russian Bear bombers fly overhead...they're huge!

i telling all the time that CNN is idiotic informative media, more like propaganda center

We should have shot those fu*kers down, just for the hell of it....

Russia is weak....I don't recall the US flying over Russian ships to show their strength. Russia is a little child and must try to intimidate..US has no need, everybody knows what it can do..

Russia is now threatening to aim its missiles at the Ukraine if it allows the US missile system on its land.

i think

hey people, did you notice that we used to criticize Russia, Russian politicians, Russia this-Russia that, like that it is something normal, like that it can even help, it is even emotional process (from different angles of course)... seams that we spontaneously feel that Russia can evolve

On the other side, we know that there is a lot of to be criticized in USA (on so called west) but, like that its not interesting (except for me, who is directly affected), but, anyway like that we are aware that all what we say can`t help and we give up... seams that we feel cold power

Looks like that USA (so called west) and Russia definitely changing positions. Russia tend to evolve in democracy, while USA (so called west) tend to control everything, to become police state/society

Russia is growing into a democracy????? lmao, they sure could have fooled me.... since Putin it has been getting worse and worse....

As for America being a police state..... lol, you need to come to America so we can arrest you...

where do you get your info...Russia?

Putin said it is scary to think that Russian missiles may be pointed towards Ukraine. And Yushchenko answered, that Ukraine will never accept any military bases from another country.
Isnts it already?

paczka wrote

isn't it already?


are we joking here, or being serious?

Serious of course. Havent you seen, how protests are crashed? How many snipers accompany Bush on his tours around the world??? What kind of flags and banners people are allowed to bring to any meeting? And on another hand police can not even control LA ghettos.

Protests are crashed only when they get violent.....

Snipers accompany Bush so he doesn't get assassinated, what do you suggest? for him to walk freely with no protection.. even the pope has protection... lots of psychos out there...

flags and banners, you can bring any you want to your own rally... not to crash others rally... easy solution is to start your own protest...

LA ghettos??? that just proves we not a police state..... if we wanted to and were a police state we would have sent the military their.... also to much tv for you... its not as bad as it seems..

Listen

I am very aware of current status of Russian society in transition but, you can just imagine what is my oppinion of USA if i say that Russia is far batter right now

USA made that word democracy look prity rediculous. USA is police state number one. Number too is EU (that is best what i can say for EU).

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Ukraine ready to adopt laws against NATO base deployment

Submitted by Mudassir Rizwan on Wed, 02/13/2008 - 12:47.
By RIA Novosti
http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/feb/13/ukraine_ready_adopt_law s_against_nato_base_deployment.html





Glory to Mother Slavia!

Now, Russia should hurry to do its best to solve problems in case with Russian-Ukrainian relations. Russia must show that respect independance of Ukrainian nation.

Hvala braćo za ovu dobru vest

And somebody on the other topic said that Ukrainians don't know what they want. They do !They don't want to be americans lickspitters, like somebody.

Crow if you think Russia is better then US please feel free to state in what way.. For some reason Im having trouble thinking of one aspect in which Russia is better.

It all depends on who you are looking to for protection at that moment in time. Crow is looking at Russia right now as the prptection of Serbs, right Crow?

The question is what's better in Russia then in US. Nothing to do with whose protecting who. please give me examples Celinski.... Don't mention politics because that's a matter of opinion, give me facts... Here's some facts for US. Better military, Bigger economy, More freedom of expression etc....

I have a hard time understanding why Ukraine would take threats from Putin and think that in there future they will remain independent.

"On Tuesday, Vladimir Putin warned Yushchenko that Russia may target its missiles at Ukraine if it joins NATO and agrees to host a U.S. missile shield."

IMO Ukraine should join NATO ASAP and never back down to Russia's demands or threats.

Viktor YushchenkoFebruary 14, 2008, 1:23
Yushchenko rules out NATO bases in Ukraine
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko says his country is prepared to strengthen its constitution to make sure there will never be any NATO bases on its soil.

During a meeting with the Ukrainian community in Moscow, Yuschenko said the country is to hold a referendum on NATO membership.

On Tuesday, Vladimir Putin warned Yushchenko that Russia may target its missiles at Ukraine if it joins NATO and agrees to host a U.S. missile shield.

However, the two leaders did manage to settle the latest gas dispute and prevent the cutting of supplies.



I totally aggree, but with threats coming from Russia I see this as Ukraine's fear.

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/20903

OK, Russia is more powerful than Ukraine. I don't think Putin realises the extent to which he casually throws the missile threat around. It's a political tool that is used too often by him. Ukraine has a right to enter, especially if a referendum points them in that direction. Putin needs to tone it down and start behaving like an adult

I think Putin is scared of change. His threats make him look quite foolish. He did this to Poland right up until Poland/ USA said they had an aggreement on the shield.

I read where Russia's buzzing was being taken as a gesture and thats all. One US pilot said they just smile and wave at each other. Putin may not have liked hearing this, but lets face it, they are doing what they are ordered to do.



Fact is, I think Putin is high on his "man of the year" and can't see how others view him.
If I was living in Ukraine today the last one I would side with is the one that threatens my every move and has occupied my country. I have said all along, Ukraine must show there ability to be independent of Russia. Show they can be an independent country, just as Poland has done with the shield. I can understand there not wanting to rock the boat without USA's support like Poland had. I strongly believe if Poland did not have USA in the picture the anti missile shield would have been silenced by Putin. Even with USA it was touch and go.

I must agree, Throwing that threat around so many times loses the shock value it once had..
All bark, no bite and it becomes more clear each time he says it....

However I get the impression Ukraine is a little intimidated.... Which is understandable since it doesn't have EU or Nato to back it up.... Hopefully this will strengthen there determination.. seeing as they can be influenced and intimidated by the whims of the Kremlin..

Sadly USA is getting Poland safe and dealing with Iraq, Afganistan. If I were Edgar Casey I would say in the near future USA and Poland will join to secure Ukraine as truly independent. One step at a time.

what`s your point? no need to be mysterious, i am open-minded person i would have understandings for all your observations


Listen

Serbs don`t have expression that Russia protecting them but, that Russia defending international order and UN charters, while USA collaborate with terrorists and mujaheedines violating international defined principles.

So, on issues in former Yugoslavia Russia acted as player which often relaxed situation and didn`t complicate things to Balkans while USA, Germany, Britain, France, EU, NATO played their `double standard` games and schemes violating international order. We see that so called west act exclusively from position of brutal power. We see that NATO expand, while Russia closing its bases all over the world. Etc, etc.

Serbs clearly see that Russia is more serious today then it was not so deep in past. But, Russia still has a lot of to do to be fully democratic state and slowly but surely Russia evolving, its a fact. In the same time, USA and so called west in general abandoned key principles of democracy and tolerance and evolve into cold powers with highly imperialistic tendencies.

On that note: Do you feel Putin helps or hurts Russia?

I think the world will all see a change with the next president. You must remember Pres. Bush had 911 to respond to. We may not understand all his actions (Iraq) but change was needed. Reguardless of 911 I feel Afganistan needed help getting control of the terrorist's abusing the citizens.

No way. Medvedev was hand picked and I don't thin he'll be making many decisions. Russia is on the path to undoing everything that was accomplished in the 80's. He's already stopped adhearing to the CFE.

both


i congrats you for you have answers what is good for Afghanistan's, when you support USA actions. You must be very familiar with all aspects of Islam, their internal antagonisms, etc, etc. You maybe can`t sleep because of sufferings of their children? You really think that USA/NATO act on the base of calculations what is good for Afghanistan's, Iraqi's`s, etc, etc, in order to help against terrorists?

Regularly, when somebody try to convince me what is good for others or for me, some kind of alarm start to blink in my head and i automatically seek to found my money-bag.

In case with 911, i don`t know. Judging by actions of USA in general i can`t stop to remind myself how started WWII.

But, if terrorists really did it, then it would be batter that countries of world strengthen UN, not to weakening it. For we need UN security forces to beat terrorists, not USA troops for world policeman.

Now this is sad. If Russia decides to join the world our combined growth on all fronts would be amazing.

I watched a program on Russia's space shuttle they have and all that came to mind was if USA and Russia had done this as a team it would be excellant. If all the energy spent into controlling other countries could be deverted into common goals of knowledge growth.

Russia requires bargaining for that. The EU was the most desirable model for info sharing and streamlining. What did u mean by "controlling other countries" Celinski?