U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?

foreignore wrote

so you support making it worse? if anything that's a bloody clear reason for a clear headed leader to cut ties.

Worse...lol only Russia is complaining.. Ill take US over Russia anyday....

Foreignor wrote :

au contraire my simple minded foe, the benefits of EU membership have not come to fruition and the costs have yet to be borne, so to use your own statement (funny how you can't even grasp what you type)-

lol, simple minded.... its clear that its you... if you don't see the benefits of EU for Poland then your an idiot.. your like a child...do you need me to point them all out.. by this comment you have managed to top your stupidity..

Foreignor wrote:

If you really believe that American policy makers just woke up one day and thought "ahhh heck les go'n make sure them Poles get some missles to stop Timbuktoo from shootin at'em" then you are a bigger fool than you've led us all to believe.

In case you didn't notice, Poland benefits just as the US benefits... upgraded air defences and moderization of its military.... not to mention it weakens Russia.... the benefits outweight the costs and the government of Poland realizes this..

Your clearly an idiot.... especially if you think your going to convince us that you have Polands best interest at heart...

no win, you totally missed my points and made your own
how easy it is to misunderstand someone. especially you. but then again it doesnt
surprise me..

by this i mean

no thats not what I was getting at..but its funny to see you being the drama king
ha hahahahaa.. lol

Poland is getting the shield, get used to it, my little Russian friend.....

your childish cries are useless and fall on deaf ears... but keep them up there very entertaining

First off, congratulations on getting the mixing done so quickly, you must have had a lot of help reading the instructions and such and such-good boy. Now go have some pudding ya dumb pudding head!


Yes it is official, you are a bigger fool than you've led us all to believe. So what mix did you use? I thought it might be pistachio cause y'know, it's got a bright green colour and, what with your obvious propensity to be distracted by bright shiny things, it would surprise me if that wasn't your first choice. But hey maybe you went with Vanilla cause it's probably easier for you to mix and all.
Look sucker, i'll see ya round, when you come to Poland make sure to tell everyone how important you are cause there are many soldiers who come from Amurka, i'm sure you'll impress. Pudding head!

Dude, keep crying......

Nothing constructive to say so you think by calling me names it will anger me......

Such a Russian thing to do.....

Russia is weak and so are your arguments..

Please entertain me some more.... dance monkey dance...

USA agreed for some of our proprosals in Shield case. I think we are on good way to succesfuly end this negotiations.

http://www.dziennik.pl/polityka/article129808/Za_tarcze_USA_uzbroja_na sza_armie.html

Lukasz, thanks for the link...

hopefully Poland gets all it asked for...
and it does look like the negotiations will end successfully...

Hope you enjoy the good news Foreignor....

I agree with that..

yeah it isnt like they came in and took over.. nothing can be even put into writing
without consent of Polands govt.. its not like they forced anything on them.

we all want whats best for poland no doubt.

Patty I agree, its clear who wants best for Poland and who wants best for Russia...

Here are just a few of the Benefits of the shield:
1. Upgraded air defences
2. Moderization of the military
3. Closer relationship with the only Superpower
4. Transfer of Intellectual knowledge & technology ( I think anybody logical knows how important this really is)
5. The missle shield itself which has the ability to shoot down missles.
6. Direct economic benefits to the region and Indirect economic benefits to all of Poland.
7. Greater Nato capabilities that would lead to increased politcal power in the organization.
8. Indirectly it will lead to greater politcal power in EU.
9. To a small extent Both US and EU will compete for Polands loyalty.
10. Closer relationship with Czech Republic
11. Weakens Russia(very important) since Poland and Russia are in direct competition for influence in Eastern Europe.
12. Contrary to popular belief having US base makes your country safer, at least when it comes to attack from other countries....

I can go on forever but that should be enough at least for now..............

Here are the few of the so called disadvantages (very weak arguments by the way):
1. Ruins relationship with Russia. Last time I checked the relationship wasnt that good anyways. Not to mention Russia is all bark no bite. Russia will never attack US... at least I don't think that they have a death wish...
2. Make us target for terrorists.... we already are, the terrorists will attack anybody... fu*k em. Plus Poland has a tiny muslim population(most have been intergrated within society for centuries).. its easy to keep an eye if any new potential terrorists arrive for an attack.... potential for homegrown terrorists is virtually nonexistent.
3. Make us target for Russia... in case of war its clear we would be on the side against Russia...so either way we would be a target.. shield or not... Anways Russia must go through Poland to attack the west and its clear we would be invaded, if the war is with Poland or not.

Any other disadvantages feel free to list them...
Word of advice don't embarrass yourself like my little Russian friend foreignor....

PS
Foreignor wrote:

Poland hasn't seen any benefits of joining EU.... lol that was a classic.. please keep the stupid comments coming...

leave him alone matt. he is a man of many puddings.. vanilla, pistachio, and did he
mention chocolate? or was that bananas?? <~yeah that was it.. lol



there isnt any , not that I can really point out.. I think you covered it matt :)

Patrycja wrote:

or was that bananas?? <~yeah that was it.. lol

lmao.....its definitely bananas for my little monkey friend....

PS the kid does such a good job of embarrassing himself.... lets see his next comment...

Matt, Excellantant thoughts here, a few I don't aggree with, what do you think?

Here I feel that Poland will be taken out of Russia's scope of ownership. Russia already was a threat, now they will learn that Poland will not bow down to being threatened.




I really don't see US playing a competition role, if that were the case they would just go to a free location for the base. One of the main reasons USA/Poland get along so well is they don't play bs games with each other. This base is costing USA alot of money and it would not be taking place if not for respect.

Some good points Carol.... here's my view...

First Russia with this installation will think twice about attacking Poland knowing it can also lead to war with US...But also if Russia gets in a war with US those installations will become targets.... Its a double edge sword.... It makes a war between Poland and Russia a lot less likely, however if war between US and Russia erupts, Poland will be dragged in... But like to point out, Poland would need to join in the war between Russia and US either way... Poland and many in EU know they can't let Russia become to powerful or it could mean the end of
the freedom and economic growth they enjoy now.

As to your second point, IMO there would be competition to a small extent... US knows there is a lot of anti Americanism in Europe and a fairly important player like Poland(with usually all of eastern europe on there side) in EU is worth having on your side... Knowing EU they wouldn't want Poland too close to US and this is where the competition would come in between the two.....

I get it, I see the competition as finished when an aggreement was done. This was really just Russia, not really competeing, but threatening. In fact, this was Russia's dumbest moves, if they offered the shield (not that this ever would happen) as a form of good faith and showing they understand Poland is free. This would be proof, it would have come back to them ten fold.

Yeah Russian Govt is certainly not happy.. but when are they ever when it involves
the U.S. ?

Carol Everything you say about Russia is right.... however it seems your missing the point im trying to make about the competition.. competition between EU and US though friendly will always exist... like I said to a small extent...nothing too substantial... Some countries in EU are not to happy with Poland having such a close relationship with US... nothing comparable to the anger shown by Russia, but some EU countries are not satisfied... They don't mind poland having a good relationship but not so close of one..

I believe they will try even harder to counter(through various incentives) to prevent such deals in the future....

However either way Carol its not that important, that's only 1 out of the dozens of benefits Poland will recieve.... putting this aside its obvious we both see the benefits of this shield..


Hey Patty,

Its obvious that America could solve world hunger and Russia (and some on this forum) would complain that America is trying to make the world dependent on American food..... you can't please Russia or these people until you do and think as they want.... so its not even worth trying....

I have new info,

I have heard that this base is not going to be ex-terytorial. Americans will be only administrators and will leave when we ask them. (for example when we will have one EU defence policy). Problem with EU seems to be solved.

Im not surprised with that news.... America never wanted to control poland....

It was offcial Bush proposal, part of Poland being part of USA. Guantanamo in europe, without control, without possiblity to change our mind or having independent decisions. Now this project looks much better, as I know negotiations haven't been finished yet. Now when this base will be part of NATO systems, this base will be similar to bases USA has in other NATO countries, it looks much better. I don't know why USA wanted this base to be exteritorial but when we look on Bush administartion decisions, we can be suspicious. It is in Polands interest to have good EU-USA realtions, what is important we are part of EU not US state and it will be better to have base like other EU countries, not like Panama or Cuba (Guanatanamo). That is all. I have heard that we will recieve less help when this base will not be ex-terytorial. Let it be so it will be better for our relations inside EU and US-EU relations and Poland-US relations when this base will be normal our ally base like most US bases, not part of USA inside Poland.

This artical gives us more of the information.

Polish defiance built on British intel
By Gordon Thomas Friday, February 29, 2008


It has emerged that MI6 provided Polish intelligence with highly secret plans of the Kremlin’ intentions to dominate the entire Baltic region.

The source of the intelligence is described as “good”—MI6 speak for a well-placed mole, probably within the Kremlin.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2084

Russia wouldn't dare hit Poland for fear of American retaliation

Thats just soooo 1980s !
As I have said before, why bother firing missiles ?
All Gazprom have to do is turn off the gas.

Turn off the gas?

You don't have to hit anything to control it.

What good is it then?

God bless we have one of the bigest Coal deposits and Uranium ...

It's great, you can steal what they have and not have to give back.

We can applaud America for taking action where the EU talks for years and years about a common EU defence policy. Europe is full of bureaucratic wan**** who talk a good game but get nothing done. Although I feel that America has ulterior motives here, at least they are taking a stand and are sticking to their guns

100% with ya.. only some things ( govt ) they need to not be involved in..

we are not perfect.. but its good to see a positive opinion.. * once in a while*

To think that people get paid for voicing views over and over like a broken record, action speaks so much louder than words, well done America here