U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?

I don't know..... Knowing EU they would try to solve this diplomaticaly... IMO As much as I like EU only the US has the balls to stand up to Russia...

The stark reality is that the EU is not united enough. I, for one, wouldn't trust France and Germany to watch our backs (Britain) if Russia started to threaten us. Pointless diplomacy takes place on a large scale.

You couldn't say it any better.... It is understanble 27 differant cultures coming together for the first time in European history isn't going to be easy.... However the EU should not blame Poland for keeping such close ties with the US because the reality is as you said, were not united enough...

The day EU is united Poland can then back away from the US.....



In reality I trust Germany more than France but neither have my complete trust.... France is the most selfish country in all of EU. I understand all countries usually care only about their own interests but France takes that concept to the extreme. Germany has improved under Merkal and are heading in the right direction... However as of now it's still not enough...

hang on to your hats there fellas, e.u. funding is one thing but look at the costs and project them:

since joining the e.u. poland has experienced a brain drain as it has been unable to remain competitive with wages. the economy has improved but that hasn't meant any drastic changes in economic distribution.

The economy appears to be rosy due to the e.u. grants however this does mean that in the very near future Poland will be walking an increased tight line of e.u. directives. These directives often stimulate the economy but only on the surface. that is, the wealth generated is more often than not concentrated as well.

People are annoyed with the lack of specialists or rather the fleeing specialists. Instead of meaningful pay increases we're seeing more specialists coming in from the east. We are living in a country where more and more being the lowest bidder is the name of the game and in a country where wages are already low, one would hope for a reversal of that as we near the date of a currency change. Unfortunately the general dissatisfaction with the lack of capable highly trained people may well see an eastern move within 2-3 years.

While people are returning from abroad, the highly specialized groups are remaining abroad. The part time waitresses and labourers really aren't going to contribute much to the tax situation here. That might not be a problem if not for the disparity in demographics between the retired and the young.

Now factor in the directives regarding Energy producers and suppliers and the stage is set for huge hikes in energy bills as well as very large buyouts that are set to see huge profits for very large corporations.

Sorry gents but the middle class has been shrinking globally and steadily for over 20 years now and the greatest increase demographically has been amongst the poor. It's all about income distribution, and it just isn't happening at a rate even remotely close to inflation.

Regarding this base. Russia? for god's sakes it's not like russia is an actual threat and even if it were this stupid base will be entirely unable to prevent any of your imaginay invasion forces from moving in. But I do predict this base to make poland a target for "terrorist" labelled activities in anywhere from a year to a year after its operation.

It's annoying to see polish politicians, shove their faces up american ass, and set to play the fool again! and they look set to sell off a lil piece of polish sovereignty in the process. (sigh) lil boys and shiny guns, too bad it always seems to be lil boys elected to make these deals.

when the moment of truth comes, Polish politicians would learn that nobody can`t `give up Serbs in return for something`

in the same time, in that moment of truth, Serbians would once again show their loyalty to Slavic sisters and brothers of Poland

If Serbs are such good slavic brothers.... Why sell your oil industry for a fraction of the price to Russia, who we well know will use it to try to control the slavic nations????

Hey Ian, what u said was sth different, not in opposition to what I said. I don't disagree with what u have just written. In fact, I broadly agree with it.

The kid exaggerates the facts.... The waitresses and labrors in Britain are skilled workers with collage degrees who are returning because they just couldn't find good jobs.... Wages increases are up by as much as 30% in 2 years in some industries.... The high energy prices have nothing to do with Poland being in EU.... Neither is Ukraine and we can see what's happeing there....

The truth is that Poland's internal politics, taking the EU dimension aside, has created a climate where job security and also creation have been severely dented. No amount of EU grants can address the issue of structural integrity that is so sadly lacking. The Polish govt must start to look inward more and question itself.

you realy believe that Serbs could agree that their territory and resources can be used against Poland or Czeska, for example?? Don`t be rediculous, brate. It would be auto-spit in face of our ancestors, in all in what Serbs believe.

Remember. It was Serbs who destablized Austro-Hungaria, creating situation for independance of numerous Slavic nations. Russia and other Slavs just finished the job.

Maybe but those are the cold hard facts... By selling your oil industry your providing Russia with ammo to attack the Slavic nations.... Oil is the new weapon of choice....

seanus gets it. A lot of poles are talking themselves about recruiting eastward so i don't think it's that far off for me to reverberate many poles' expressed thoughts. I think you get it cause you live here, you actually have the perspective of daily life. More than, let's say, the resident american wannabe pole who's posted lately.


yes you do, as evidenced below:
That's beyond ridiculous, such a statement shows you either have some top secret info that has escaped even the best analyst or you're simply full of it.

Now then, your exaggerations aren't really the point; you see i mentioned income distribution, you got stuck on industries. they are different and that has made the difference.
...aren't here yet, give it a few years and you'll see what i mean. But it's obvious you don't really keep abreast of the matters, so it's pointless for me to even bother with you on this aspect.
I'm through with you again, you can go back to whatever it is you were doin son.

The new weapon of choice, does it replace this weapon of choice? LOL

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

you aren`t serious if you think that transit of Russian gas/oil via Serbia can endanger Poland.

If Russia want to harm Poland, Russia has many other ways to do it, especialy having in mind that Russians knows that they can`t rely on Serbian support against Poland.

Russia simply can decide to stop to sell gas/oli to western Europe/Poland and sell it to China, Iran, India, etc...

just think logicaly, matthias. Russia realy does not need Serbia to make problems to Poland or to anybody else. On the other side, Russia profits if Serbs survive as Slavic nation and continue to refuse to be used against other Slavs. Russia knows that same way how we are loyal to Poland, we are loyal to Russia, to Slavic interests in general. So, they don`t push us (as they sometimes did in past) and they trying to help. All what Serbians want now is exactly that- to survive

Lol, obviously you don't read the news. Many people with collage degrees left Poland hoping to find better jobs in Britain.... Unfortunaletly the best they could find was low paying jobs but still much better than what they would have made in Poland.... these laberors or waitrasses(have collage degrees) except they have not been able to find better jobs... Here is an article because other than that you will still be playing ignorant....

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=124378&comman d=displayContent&sourceNode=231734&home=yes&more_nodeId1=124522&conten tPK=20149545



No it doesn't need Serbia...... It needs Serbian oil.... The Russian economy gets most of its money from oil... You are just making them more powerful....

I agree with Matty, many Poles went to the UK with degrees and didn't get the jobs they wanted. Getting work with a degree as a native speaker is hard enough, nevermind not having English as ur L1. Also with the Serbian oil point, Russia is again playing a good card, by making out to be concerned for Serbian interests when it really isn't. The wool has been pulled over sb's eyes, methinks

methinks so too.........

The assassination pleased the Nazis, but it wasn't instigated by the German government. In fact, the Croatian Ustase was operating on Italian soil at the time, with Pavelic and a few close followers under the protection of Mussolini and the Italian government.

In any event, Slavs have had too many differences over the years to make any type of union possible. The only thing Slavs were truly united on in the 20th century was opposing ethnic German and Hungarian oppression in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. After the fall of the Hapsburgs, every group advocated their own interests, and a few idealists advocated a Yugoslav state complete with a proper monarchy. But it was Slavs who destroyed this as it was not meant to be.

Yeah it's not like i spent anytime in either country and experienced any of this close up or anything... (sarcasm off)

Anyhow,

a "collage" degree (lol) as you call it does not put one in the "highly specialized" group. Those are people with a degree. Yes that is higher education but i'd argue that there are plenty of degrees out there and not all of them make the bearer highly specialized or highly skilled. Whatever point you tried to make was accompanied by an ill fated leap in logic and remains a complete mystery to me.
thank you for your acquiesence and agreement!

I don't see why or what you're arguing though. I'm talking income distribution. You seem to be arguing against something you dreamed up on my behalf. You can go back to your g.i. joes now.

please lay off the drugs..... if you read that article you would not be talking to me right now.... ( I don't know your qualifications but a master's degree is pretty skilled....) even collage itself....

*laughs uncontrollably*bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh dear, that is funny. *snickers* tztztzt ahhh you're a silly lil guy aren't you?
do yourself a favour and take your own advice... ah but it's obvious you're weren't serious anyhow... that was a good one.

you are one stupid dude...... your laughing because I said if you have a master's degree your considered a skilled worker....... lol you just can't admit when your wrong.....

Here are some defintions for you:

a worker who has acquired special skills
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A skilled worker is any worker who has some special knowledge or (usually acquired) ability in his work. A skilled worker may have attended a college, university or technical school. Or, a skilled worker may have learned his skills on the job.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skilled worker

feel free to argue with Princeton.....

you're serious? now all you have to do is quantify what a "special" skill is in terms of it being relevent to the job market and you're on your way to proving jack and sh!t-it's what you do best.


notice the word may in there? This means it is not restricted nor exclusive to college (you've figured out the difference between that and collage by now i hope).

Go back reread what i wrote then think about it and before you type anything try,ffs, to just wait, wait and wait some more-you just need more time for these things to sink in. That's ok though you're just a lil slower when it comes to this stuff. Ok buddy, i'll leave you alone now and you can go back to your g.i. joes.

Ummm, the guy in the article was had a master's in engineering..... that's relevant..... lol your a joke......



once again you don't make a point.... nobody said it's exclusive to collage..... you were denying these people are skilled.... attending collage and having a master's or even a bachlor's blows your bs post out of th water...

now if you don't mind I had enough of your stupidity feel free to carry on with the conversation by yourself...

I don't think Poland needs Russian soldiers back.

Poland rules out permanent presence of Russian soldiers
WARSAW, March 18 (Xinhua) -- Permanent presence of Russian soldiers in Poland was out of the question though talks on Russia monitoring U.S. anti-missile shield were feasible to "give Moscow a sense of security," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told a news conference here Tuesday.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/19/content_7817498.htm

do you think Russians will agree to give us right to control their bases in Russia and Bielrus. I don't think so... Without additional help $$$ there is no chances to build this shield in Poland ... it is not in our business to have this base only additional money can help.

Exactly, money talks. America needs to fund it to the extent needed as it's in the US interest to have the shield there. Condo Rice even admitted that it'd fill a gap in the safety network.

how is this not in the onterest of PL?

and I'd say NO to any russian soldiers on PL soil. civilian monitors, ok, i can live with that but no soldiers.

I have to agree, unless Russia doesn't mind Polish soldiers on Russian soil.... It has to work both ways....



first it is in Poland's business... there are at least ten advantages of having this shield and they don't include money.... but of course the money sweetens the pot.....