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Polish immigration in UK

iwona Threads: 13
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  ♀   Dec 11, 2006, 02:43pm  #1

I don't understand it.

1-2 years ago there were mainly single people or couples who worked in Uk. Some of them came back some settled in Uk and started family.

Now, there are more and more families who have moved here with small children. Is it better here? Very high house prices, council taxes, .....

How long it take to save for deposit to get mortgage here?
If they have to rent house....after all renting costs are they really better here?

it si strange as British people are fed up with house prices here and move to Italy, France, USA......

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  ♂   Dec 11, 2006, 02:50pm  #2

It could be really better for those still living with their parents in some crowded conditions.

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  ♀   Dec 11, 2006, 02:53pm  #3

I don't really know. It is quite individual.
Some people are probbaly better here in UK but some not.

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  ♂   Dec 11, 2006, 03:16pm  #4

Going to UK with kids doesn't necessery mean they are to stay there forever. Thay are maybe - hadrd to believe? - good parents who go abroad to save some hard cash and plan to go back home and build themselves a palace (typical) lol Can you imagin parents leaving kids in Poland just to satisfy their greed? That would be socially unaceptable.

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 02:24am  #5

I know what you mean. But do you think that these children speak so good 2 languages? Moving them between 2 countries different language, culture, school programmes?

Isn't it a bit selfish?

I don't think that living children in Poland is so good idea.They should be with parents.
I just don't know if theya re relaly so better off doing it?


It could be really better for those still living with their parents in some crowded conditions.

Not really it depends what they want to gain in their lives. ( it doesn't matter in Poland or England....)

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 12:02pm  #6

As I quoted before, the statistics or 2005 state that:1500 people a day immigrate to Britain, while 1000 British citizens emigrate to France, Italy, Australia, Canada, US...
Although my husband is English and we don't live, like some Polish families, in a council flat or 6 to one house, we often discuss moving to a different country (not Poland, I am afraid), I do not feel we have much of a future in the UK. Property prices (and what kind of properties they are - not properly insulated, energy-wasting, eco-unfriendly, with separate taps, carpets and lino instead of mixer taps and proper wooden floors and tiles), reduced social mobility, underperforming state schools, the most expensive childcare in Europe, rising taxation...no wonder Brits are no 41 or 42 on the happiness list, well behind Americans, Germans and the French, not to mention Skandinavians, who are so much better at, well, the list is long.

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  ♂   Dec 12, 2006, 12:30pm  #8

Quoting: annamaria, Post #6
we don't live, like some Polish families, in a council flat

ok, that's enough.another crap.
i don't know a single polish family who live in a council flat.it is extremly difficult to get a council flat for recent migrants.i was lucky to take part in a benefit session.none of the polish people who attended could dream about getting such a house. the only support they can get is a child tax credit and child benefit.that's all.
to get such a flat/house you must be a single mother,earn crap money or something similar.on the other hand a great number of brits in my factory openly say that they abuse the system.one,divorced woman,says that she lives with her partner in a council flat,while his flat is rented.this chap is a engineer superviser and gets a lot of money.
i would say that 50-70% of british families live in council flats/houses so please don't tell me that the poles abuse the system.
PS.i am not talikng about office workers ect who are well off without getting a council flat but about working class-labourers,production oparators ect.

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 12:35pm  #9

I would add to this that many Polish people are paying too much tax, until they have a permanent NI number they have a temporary one, the agency they work for doesn't care so they just get taxed at the highest rate and they are completely unaware of the fact that the first 4k or so that you earn is tax free, or how to claim it back. Bearing this in mind, it is only fair they should get family tax credit if they have children etc.

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 12:40pm  #10

Rafik,

I think that lots polish people in UK rent houses, flats.....

But if someone moves here with family it should be relatively decent one.

That is why I still don't know why they move here....I am not malicious it is just curiosity?

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 12:41pm  #11

UK has a lower suicide rate than any of the countries mentioned, so we may be unhappy but we are less suicidal

But you are quite big whingers and moaners...:)

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 01:15pm  #12

Rafik, the fact that YOU don't know any such family, doesn't mean there aren't any, and that I am talking, as you so charmingly put it ,"crap". I know one personally and please, read some threads on "Poles in England" forums on Gazeta.pl and you will find several. There are actually discussions titled " getting a council flat - A-Z". Yes, it is difficult to get a council flat, yes, there are waiting lists, nevertheless it is not like there isn't a single Polish family in the whole of UK that got it. I don't know why you are assuming that I am disparaging - I have nothing against Polish people applying for council flats.
Also, FYI, there are other criteria, apart from single motherhood or low income, such as the state of the current accomodation, the size of it, whether, if you happen to have children of different sexes, they share a room (according to regulations, they shouldn't) etc.

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 01:19pm  #13

Suicide rates are higher in countries where SAD (seasonal affective disorder, caused by lack of daylight) is more prevalent, and that's why Skandinavia has a higher number (not by much) than the UK. However, the commonest reason for absence from work in the UK is stress and depression. Also, the so-called Healthy Life Expectancy in the UK is actually lower than in Poland.

Stupidwelsh     Dec 12, 2006, 01:20pm  #14

Quoting: iwona, Post #12
UK has a lower suicide rate than any of the countries mentioned, so we may be unhappy but we are less suicidal

But you are quite big whingers and moaners...


Unlike the Polish:)

manser     Dec 12, 2006, 01:22pm  #15

With the way Poland looks in the winter .....hahaha

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 01:23pm  #16

We are both, that is true, but we do it in a different way:)

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 01:24pm  #17

I mean whinging and moaning ....

Stupidwelsh     Dec 12, 2006, 01:28pm  #18

Yes, when a Pole wants to moan they winge about the British, if they can’t find a Russian, Jew, somebody with a better suntan than them, German…

Where as the British just choose the nearest target and moan about that until something else comes along to moan about- we are less discerning moaners, but more inclusive about it also

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 01:31pm  #19

The happiness research results and commentary:

timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2291533,00.html

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 01:36pm  #20

Yes, when a Pole wants to moan they winge about the British, if they can’t find a Russian, Jew, somebody with a better suntan than them, German…

British are far on our list....you forgot about government, politicians, Church.....

We could both write a book about our "whinging international experiences" as you have polish grilfriend an I have English husband.:)

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  ♀   Dec 12, 2006, 01:52pm  #21

Also, the so-called Healthy Life Expectancy in the UK is actually lower than in Poland.

I am not so sure what is it but I have impression that people in UK live much longer than in Poland.
We burn ourselves too quickly.

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 02:14pm  #22

Life expectancy is higher in the UK, but there is also another indicator called Healthy Life Expectancy - the number of years lived in relative health. Due to higher rates of obesity and poor health in some parts of Scotlands (Glasgow comes to mind) UK actually has lower HLE, although overall LE is higher.

annamaria     Dec 12, 2006, 02:26pm  #23

Quoting: rafik, Post #9
i would say that 50-70% of british families live in council flats/houses so please don't tell me that the poles abuse the system.

I don't know where you've got these numbers, but they are completely inaccurate - only a small minority of British people live in council houses/flata.
Here is the quote from a government report:

Tenure

For England and Wales more than two-thirds of homes are owner occupied and 31 per cent rented. In England 29 per cent are owned outright and 39 per cent owned with a mortgage while in Wales 34 per cent are owned outright and 37 per cent owned with a mortgage.

Castlepoint has the highest percentage of owner occupancy at 88 per cent, followed by Blaby on 87 per cent and Fareham on 86 per cent. In Tower Hamlets just 28 per cent of households are owner occupied with 30 per cent in Southwark and 31 per cent in Hackney.

In England 19 per cent of households are rented from social landlords (a Council, Housing Association or Registered Social Landlord) and 12 per cent rented from a private owner. In Wales these proportions are 18 per cent and 11 per cent respectively.

In England 0.7 per cent of households are in shared ownership schemes, paying part rent and part mortgage, and in Wales this is 0.5 per cent. However, in Milton Keynes more than 5 per cent of households are in shared ownership schemes. No other district has more than 2 per cent of households in such shared ownership.

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  ♂   Dec 12, 2006, 02:56pm  #24

Quoting: annamaria, Post #13
there aren't any,

yes it doesn't but statisticly it shows that there are very few such families.
Quoting: annamaria, Post #13
I know one personally

Quoting: annamaria, Post #13
and you will find several

one here,several there.nice.it is estimated that around 750.000 poles lives in the uk(official sources give a smaller number).you know one family which live in a council flat,heard about several.is it a lot ?
Quoting: annamaria, Post #13

getting a council flat - A-Z".
why not to get such a flat if you are entitled to it(without cheating of course)?it seems that you want poles to pay as much as possible but not to get anything.
Quoting: annamaria, Post #13

isn't a single Polish family in the whole of UK that got it.
i've never said that.i said that [b][/b]I don't know such a family.
Quoting: annamaria, Post #13
I am disparaging - I have nothing against Polish people applying for council flats.

but by saying that you feed trolls like uk or freddy.why you don't say anything about asians or africans in the uk.they claim a lot and tend to live in big groups in a house(i know a few such families where 3 generations live together even though they are well off.doesn't it bother you?
lastly,the british.i spoke to a few brits in my area and they said that a lot of people live in council flats or claim housing benefits(you can get up to 100% refund of your rent and 100% reduction of your council tax,so virtually it means that you live in a council flat). i don't really know official figures but from my experience I assume that the procentage of WORKING CLASS british families which claim benefits is high.

Stupidwelsh     Dec 12, 2006, 03:28pm  #25

Actually a lot of people in the UK do live in ‘council houses’ if you mean houses built using the local authorities money, it’s just that changes in the rules allowed many of them to buy those houses at a discount about 25 years ago, thus taking them out of the social housing provision.

Also many people buying houses using a mortgage are using a part buy/ part let mechanism through a local housing association [housing associations sprang up in response to the changes in local government [council] housing provision]. So the figure of 60% of the UK living in ‘Council Houses’ isn’t wrong, it just depends on what statistics you decide to use, much like statistics to show how happy or unhappy people are in the UK.

It’s a myth to suggest that Polish people have any advantage due to there nationality when it comes to the allocation of social housing as it is illegal to consider nationality as a means of allocating social housing in the UK.

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  ♀   Dec 13, 2006, 02:47am  #26

"Council house" sounds bit negative but there are lots people who live in council houses and pay rent to council.Soemtimes they buy this house later form council.

What is wrong with it? No everyone can afford to buy house.

annamaria     Dec 13, 2006, 06:29am  #27

Quoting: rafik, Post #25
why not to get such a flat if you are entitled to it(without cheating of course)?it seems that you want poles to pay as much as possible but not to get anything.

That's completely unfair! I never said that - if you actually read what I wrote you'd not make such accusations, but you read what you want to read. You just assumed that I am against it. On the contrary, I think the families that really need it, SHOULD apply. My husband's sister lives in a council flat. Nowhere did I state "a lot" of Polish people do or "Polish people should not live in council houses, let them be ripped off by landlords". It is really disappointing that you are just looking for an excuse to attack. I never even used a word "benefit" but you brought it up as well as Asians and black immigrants - well, what does that say about you? Do you feel superior to other, non-European immigrants?
Stupidwelsh, who said about Polish people having any advantage due to their nationality? It certainly wasn't me, because I don't believe it. And saying 60% of people live in social housing or former social housing is at odds with the facts. As far as I am concerned it is EOT, as I don't enjoy being accused of things I have never said and being thrown mud at for no reason.

annamaria     Dec 13, 2006, 06:31am  #28

[quote=iwona, Post #27 ]What is wrong with it? No everyone can afford to buy house.

No, not everyone and we can't afford to buy a house, either.

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  ♀   Dec 13, 2006, 06:35am  #29

We can afford and bought house but not everyone can and not everyone wants ....

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  ♀   Dec 13, 2006, 06:38am  #30

Although my husband is English and we don't live, like some Polish families, in a council flat or 6 to one house,.....

Annamaria,

Don't be upset. When peple write ( no body language, nop tone of voice...) they are not always understood exactly the way they want to.

I also found your statement bit superior but maybe it was not your intend..



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