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The secret Polish gay men in the U.K

Meowmeow Threads: 6
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  ♀   Jul 14, 2010, 03:37am  #1

Just noticed there are so many gay polish men in London. But unlike most camp gay men....most Polish gay men are very straight acting. I have a friend who is polish, who is gay and many of his polish friends are gay too... Quite often I noticed them in groups doing there shopping checking men out.

First of all I am happy they feel comfortable in the U.K. Cause I know in Poland being gay is something most people thinks needs to be cured and are bullied by the authorities. Thousands have left Poland and have found new homes. But still seem to live very secret gay lives quietly, why?

Are you a gay polish man, and how do you feel about being Gay in the U.K, or are you a straight polish person and how do you feel about these polish men, who are gay and left your country to feel more free to live their lives?


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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 09:16am  #2

Meowmeow:
But unlike most camp gay men....most Polish gay men are very straight acting

Not all gay men are camp acting, there are thousands all over the western world who are just as straight acting as anyone else...maybe ur neighbour, ur collegue.
The fact that they are straight acting does not mean they are hiding their homosexuality or are ashamed....

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  ♀   Jul 14, 2010, 09:40am  #3

Meowmeow:
Just noticed there are so many gay polish men in London. But unlike most camp gay men....most Polish gay men are very straight acting. I have a friend who is polish, who is gay and many of his polish friends are gay too... Quite often I noticed them in groups doing there shopping checking men out.


? If they look straight how do you know they're gay? Are you stalking potentially gay men?

mvefa:
Not all gay men are camp acting, there are thousands all over the western world who are just as straight acting as anyone else...maybe ur neighbour, ur collegue.
The fact that they are straight acting does not mean they are hiding their homosexuality or are ashamed....


Couldnt have put it better myself - why do people think that ALL gay people want to be prancing in the street with over the top gayness?

Meowmeow:
Cause I know in Poland being gay is something most people thinks needs to be cured


There are plenty of idiots in the UK who think this way too.

I wish people would stop labelling people...gay, straight, bi...what difference does it make!

Another "fail" thread!

Meowmeow Threads: 6
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  ♀   Edited by: Moderator  Jul 14, 2010, 01:58pm  #4

Hmmmm I know cause my friend who is polish point them out cause he knows them. Just saying alot of gay polish men have come to the U.k No reason to get upset. Every country has gay people please don't feel I insulted your country.

Plus read this article from The Guardian Newspaper:

Polish gay rights groups claim thousands of homosexuals have fled the country to escape increasing persecution.
Robert Biedron, 27, the head of the Polish Foundation Against Homophobia, said that 'huge numbers' of Polish gays had left the country following the rise to power of the right-wing government. He said: 'It is incredible. The Polish gay community has just left because of the climate of fear and persecution.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/01/gayrights.uk

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 02:57pm  #5

Meowmeow:
But still seem to live very secret gay lives quietly, why?


I am quietly living hetero. I am not ashamed. I just think that my sexual preferences are my private business.

Meowmeow:
Cause I know in Poland being gay is something most people thinks needs to be cured and are bullied by the authorities.


Come on. You can't support this statement with any facts, can you?

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 03:14pm  #6

I have a very good friend here in Warsaw who is gay - and ashamed of how backward Poland is towards gays. Being badly beaten up in the street by persons unknown didn't help matters.

He far prefers going to England for holidays - takes his boyfriend, wishes he could have a legal union, like his gay friends in England can. Although he views the situation in England as not ideal, it is still far in advance of Poland in terms of letting gays get on with their lives without feeling persecuted.

Personally, I don't like having someone else's sexuality rammed down my throat, as they do in gay pride marches. But neither do I think it's healthy when strangers come up to you in the street and beat you up on suspicion of you being gay.

A serious topic, and in Poland it's one that brings out all sorts of kneejerk reactions - mostly anti-gay at that.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 03:23pm  #7

Varsovian:
I have a very good friend here in Warsaw who is gay - and ashamed of how backward Poland is towards gays. Being badly beaten up in the street by persons unknown didn't help matters.


I have a friend in Warsaw too! :-) He was badly beaten by some thugs on the street. But he is not gay, so there is no propaganda potential in this story.

Seriously though - I know some gay men. And most of them blame everyone for homophobia all the time. Like: "They didn't allow me into the club. Because I'm gay."
Or: "This lady starring at me. That's because I'm gay." Or "I didn't get this job. It's homophobic discrimination."


Dammit: I know a guy, who used to introduce himself like: "My name is Marek. I'm a gay"
The usual response was "My name is xxxxx. I'm not."
Such a homophobic nation Poles are! :-)

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 03:29pm  #8

Varsovian:
I have a very good friend here in Warsaw who is gay - and ashamed of how backward Poland is towards gays. Being badly beaten up in the street by persons unknown didn't help matters.

Wow, sure sounds like British Isles are paradise on earth for the homos, so what’s stopping him from moving there? Must be a bi**h to leave this imaginary hell hole buy that imaginary ticket and board that imaginary airplane by your imaginary friend who dreams of imaginary bliss.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 03:32pm  #9

Varsovian:
Personally, I don't like having someone else's sexuality rammed down my throat, as they do in gay pride marches.


Spot on.

Keep it to themselves. Just because they want change, doesn't mean societal views has to change too.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 04:29pm  #10

Varsovian:
Personally, I don't like having someone else's sexuality rammed down my throat, as they do in gay pride marches.


People ram things down your throat at "gay pride marches"? So don't go to them.

moneymad:
Just because they want change, doesn't mean societal views has to change too.


"They" want equality treatment under the law - not better; not worse; only equal, as do we all. "Societal views", whatever that is supposed to mean, are irrelevant.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 04:34pm  #11

jonni:
"They" want equality treatment under the law - not better; not worse; only equal, as do we all. "Societal views", whatever that is supposed to mean, are irrelevant.


Societal views = simple phrase. Not my fault you can't understand easy English

'They' shouldn't expect anything. Why should they?

Obviously physical attacks is totally unacceptable, along with bullying in the work place.

About all 'they' should expect.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 04:44pm  #12

jonni:
"They" want equality treatment under the law - not better; not worse; only equal, as do we all.


I don't see any discrimination against them. Really.
I think the want a special rights for themselves.
For instance a right to be accepted and liked. Everyone would like that!
But reality is that some people just don't like others. That is a fact of life.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 04:49pm  #13

enkidu:
I don't see any discrimination against them. Really.


Except pensions, inheritance taxes, employment rights - and most specifically the legislative situation in certain countries - some still have and use the death penalty.

enkidu:
I think the want a special rights for themselves.
For instance a right to be accepted and liked. Everyone would like that!
But reality is that some people just don't like others. That is a fact of life.


Most lesbians and gay men don't lose much sleep about whether or not heterosexuals "accept" them. If someone dislikes them, so be it. If someone dislikes them and has a legislative tool to hurt them with - it is a different matter.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 04:51pm  #14

enkidu:
I don't see any discrimination against them. Really.
I think the want a special rights for themselves.
For instance a right to be accepted and liked. Everyone would like that!
But reality is that some people just don't like others. That is a fact of life.


Snap.

Totally what I was thinking.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 05:00pm  #15

jonni:
Except pensions, inheritance taxes, employment rights - and most specifically the legislative situation in certain countries - some still have and use the death penalty.


Yeah. I was under the impression that we discuss the situation in Poland. I am afraid I know nothing about the realities in the "certain countries".

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 05:10pm  #16

Back in the 80s many Poles didn't think there were any gays in Poland!

Seriously, I dislike activists in general - they tend to get everybody's back up. Gay activists too. Tax breaks for couples were generally designed to help them have kids (no kids, no future for a country, remember?).

Gays generally, aren't interested in child-rearing. That's a good thing - kids have a hard enough time as it is anyway.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 05:18pm  #17

Varsovian:
Gays generally, aren't interested in child-rearing


LMAO, sorry I couldn't help myself

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 05:21pm  #18

Both Polish presidential candidates -- Bron & Jarry -- agreed on one thing during their debates: special legislation for homosexuals is not necessary. Existing Polish laws enable people to legally enjoy notarised rights similar to those of a married couple including joint property ownership, joint bank accounts, inheritance, healthcare (visitng one another in hospital), etc., the main exception being adopting orphans.
Such youngsters ahev already experienced enough ordeals in their short lifetime (unfit parents, orphanages, foster homes) to subject them to a single-gender 'partnership' that on average lasts no longer than 2 years.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 05:22pm  #19

enkidu:
Yeah. I was under the impression that we discuss the situation in Poland. I am afraid I know nothing about the realities in the "certain countries".


We are. However the Europride these days has an international focus, and I mentioned three issues current in PL.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:00pm  #20

Varsovian:
Gays generally, aren't interested in child-rearing.


And you know this how?

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:01pm  #21

moneymad:
LMAO, sorry I couldn't help myself


LOL, nice choice of abbreviation.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:08pm  #22

Polonius3:
Jarry -- agreed on one thing during their debates: special legislation for homosexuals is not necessary.


Jaroslaw is considered by many to be homosexual himself.

Polonius3:
the main exception being adopting orphans


The main exception being that they can be fired from a job on the grounds of sexuality with no redress.

By the way, why "orphans"? Most adoptions by same sex couples aren't orphans - they are teenagers who are often profoundly disabled, that nobody else wants, and who are adopted by healthcare professionals. Before supporting legislation that cruelly denies these youngsters a way out of the institution, why not adopt one yourself

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:19pm  #23

peterweg:
LOL, nice choice of abbreviation.


lol actually laughing here

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:44pm  #24

Meowmeow:
Robert Biedron, 27, the head of the Polish Foundation Against Homophobia

does he looks like 27 year old?
Robert Biedroń
Don't you think 3 years old news is bit old?
Meowmeow:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/01/gayrights.uk


Varsovian:
Back in the 80s many Poles didn't think there were any gays in Poland!

we had pedały dummy
I've seen same sex couple kissing in Warsaw but I haven't seen in London and nobody chased them. one of them was hot :-)

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 06:45pm  #25

Polonius3:
Such youngsters ahev already experienced enough ordeals in their short lifetime (unfit parents, orphanages, foster homes) to subject them to a single-gender 'partnership' that on average lasts no longer than 2 years


Why would adoption by same sex partners be considered an ordeal unless, of course, society (and you) persist in prejudice?

zetigrek     Jul 14, 2010, 06:47pm  #26

Meowmeow:
Thousands have left Poland and have found new homes. But still seem to live very secret gay lives quietly, why?


well i cant understand it in Poland either. Sometimes u see that a man is a gay and everybody see that also, but still a guy act like noone knows that he is a gay... sometimes thats really funny.

As it goes for homophobia in Poland. Its not like most homophobic ppl thinks that its a disease or disorder to be cured, they pretty accept that some ppl are different, it just that they cant accept that gay ppl are claiming legal rights to make thier "difference" to be widely recognise (e.i. gay marriages).
For instance my dad who claims that he is a homophobe he said to me that there would be no problem for him if one of his children would be homosexual. Quite suprising.

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  ♂   Edited by: enkidu  Jul 14, 2010, 06:47pm  #27

jonni:
The main exception being that they can be fired from a job on the grounds of sexuality with no redress.


This is a title of one of the chapters in the great book "Gay mythology for dummies". lol

Did you EVER heard about any real example of this kind of situation in Poland?
I did not.

zetigrek:
For instance my dad who claims that he is a homophobe he said to me that there would be no problem for him if one of his children would be homosexual.


Did you jump on this chance? ;-)

zetigrek     Edited by: zetigrek  Jul 14, 2010, 06:51pm  #28

Varsovian:
But neither do I think it's healthy when strangers come up to you in the street and beat you up on suspicion of you being gay.


Those strangers are dresiarze and they can beat for every other reason, even if u dont look gay

Varsovian:
Back in the 80s many Poles didn't think there were any gays in Poland!

???
How do u know that?

jonni:
Jaroslaw is considered by many to be homosexual himself.


for instance by Lech Wałęsa

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 07:04pm  #29

zetigrek:
for instance by Lech Wałęsa


Who was Kaczynski's close friend and associate for many years. Together they fighting red spiders. He may know the truth.

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  ♂   Jul 14, 2010, 07:11pm  #30

There are so many closet gays in Poland. I see it in their eyes and the way they look at me. They have this effeminate nature and posture which gives them away. I wondered when a thread like this was gonna start as it's very noticeable.




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