Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK

Its got nothing to do with natural selection, how ignorant of you ! Its called SCAB LABOUR, where selfish (or perhaps desperate)people go and do work for sh1t wages and put the original workers out of a job. If it were 'natural selection' then you would get the job with the same good wages by being a 'better' worker NOT by being a scab and selling your ass cheaply.

THe same thing has happened in ireland. Foreign workers have undermined many of the hard won rights of irish workers and trade unions (especially in the building trade) by agreeing to work for sh1t wages. Irish labourers were getting 13.50 an hour, basic wage, until polish workers came on the sites and agreed to work for 9 euros(with no overtime rate!). I have a polish friend who went to work on a site and was told this was the new rate. He took the job but within a month he and other polish workers lost their jobs to Latvian workers who agreed to work for 7 euros an hour.

Polish traditionaly place great value on their trade unions and back in the days Soladar was supported by unions all over europe including ireland. Yet when they and other foreign workers came to ireland they ignored the trade unions and standard rates of pay and settled for bad wages. This has undermined the power of the trade unions to protect both foreign and irish workers from exploitation.

I dont blame the foreign workers completely though, more the employers who are greedy scum, and sometimes people just need a job and money right now, but it seems that foreign workers were comparing wage rates in both countries instead of the cost of living. Rather than come to this country and get a better wage and standard of living, they have in many ways, brought it down for both themsleves and the native workers. No offence intended but thats whats happened.

On another note, i dont think its so bad that we can buy Polish food in the shops, they've got some very good food and often healthier than alot of the cr4p on the shelves in Tescos etc,.

nearly a million poles in uk i dont call that a small percentage

Yes, and they do. Anybody can teach English in Poland.

I doubt that you could.

But yes everybody else could.

I do not see any reason why I can not be a teacher in Poland.

Maybe I will come to Poland and open my own school and be in direct competition with you?

Its more than that as there is also social control at play here.

ha ha ha ha ha ha . Remember I told you about how you are the best source of free entertainment. You crack me up Michal.

im a bit slow on the up take UKiP but do you have your own school... if not, who do you work with...?

No I dont have my own school. I work for a school in Bydgoszcz. Its just a small private one with about 400 students. Michal has got it into his head that he could be an English teacher. Im just putting him in his place.

Whys that bubba, are you thinking about branching out into the Education service?? If Empik can do it.....

That will be the super skunk you is blazing boss. Pass me the roach..

my background is educational marketing so the subject is always of interest to to me... and ive just been approached by a local who has EU funding to start a language school and she is interested in using one of my properties as a base... so again, an interest...



im much too old to be touching anything like that... makes me go cookoo which i do easily enough anyway... ;-)

Well sounds like you have a good prospect there. There will always be a need for language schools so that would be a long term income for you. Well done mate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6766003.stm

note the bit about migrant workers not having a negative effect on wage levels.

Why do you say that you are putting me in my place? I studied Russian for four years in the 1980's at the then Portsmouth Polytechnic and in Moscow before studying Polish and then TESOL. I would have thought that my experience would outstrip you anyday. I have met Russian girls teaching English in Poland. Anybody can teach English in Poland-even Russians.

If you can not even speak Polish then how on God's earth can you do tranlation work in class?

YEs michal. But look you are on an internet forum and look how many people you manage to offend. Also when people try to translate something to English, you take great pleasure in laughing at them and putting them down(not something a teacher should do) also you have nothing good to say about Poland. Can you imagine what your free conversation classes would be like??? Ha ha. Also all you can talk about is when you were a student, can you imagine telling this to a group if teenagers?? They would fall asleep in minutes.

I have no doubt that you could get a job as an English teacher here, I just wonder how long it would be before they would say "dowidzenia Michal".

The strange thing about you is that you mentioned you had to study Polish, so at some point in your life you must have spoke Polish terribly, however when someone else cant do it you put them down. Again this is not the behaviour of a teacher. I think you have made a smart choice not using your TEFL anywhere. Also most schools look for CELTA now.

Michal it is an English school. There are hundreds of teachers who are teaching English in schools that dont know how to speak Polish. I didnt believe this and that is why I didnt think I would get a job here. At the end of the day people go to and English school ,believe it or not, to speak English. If there are any problems with translations there are many teachers on hand to help. It can actually be good for a student when they cant remember a word , to have a teacher who cant help them because then they must find a way to describe what they want to say. This in turn leads to us discovering the word and also helps them to prepare for the time when they will be speaking with someone English and they are not able to remeber a word.

I can not comment on this at all. I have never worked overseas. I simply did a TESOL (Trinity College, London) as that is what my local college of F.E. was offering in the year 2000. I thought that there was very little difference between CELTA and Trinity and I know that Trinity has been growing in strength over the last few years. They are both only four week courses and I would have imagined that the differences between the two would be minimul, especially after some work experience. Are you seriously telling me that a good experienced teacher would be turned away from a school because they have a TESOL and not a CELTA. I do not believe that for one moment.

Yes, and I make big mistakes now too. I learn all the time just like anybody else. Before I went to Jagiellonski, I knew very little Polish.

Well as there are so many teachers with CELTA's most school's can afford to be picky. Again it depends on the person and what 'feelings' the school have after their first meeting. I think there are many schools that would allow teachers to teach without any qualifications. I met an 18 year old Polish/English guy who was teaching here and he had no teaching experience or qualifications but he managed to get a job.

So why do you try to keep putting me down for not being able to speak Polish well?? If you were at the same point as I am now surely you understand that it takes time and work to learn a language??

Simply because you are so arrogant I can not come to Poland-Poland would not accept me in Poland only you can work in Poland. Have you bought the title deeds to the whole country? It is all about you and your position in Poland. Do not worry, I will not come to Poland and be in competition with you, if that is what concerns you. To tell you the truth, I have seen all I want to in Poland and enough for a whole life time. If I did not have responsibilities I would not be here in England but I would not choose a country like Poland either. I would prefer Turkey or even somewhere further such as South Korea in which to teach English-for one, the weather is nicer and so too are the people!. Do not worry-I will not 'gate crash' one of you classes!

Thanks I feel happy in the knowldege that I have managed to stop you from coming to Poland. :)

This calls for a celebration im going for a pint.

Because every time I make a keying error, you are down my throat. Bo on jest glupi-do you remember those words? Who wrote them? Who was it about?

You and it was nothing to do with your typing abilities. I thought you already answered this post?

I'm a teaching asst in an English school and i'm learning Polish because i want to help the Polish children when they come over here.
My dream job would be to move to Poland and work in a school and helping them there. Only thing holding me back at the moment are my two boys as i wouldn't want to disrupt their lives to much. Maybe one day. :-)

Its good you have a dream and are doing things to realise it. Dont listen to Michal I think he has had some bad experiences in life and it has made him bitter. I really hope you get to move to Poland and I see no reason why you wont.

Powodzenia!!

Dziękuję UKinP

Same with me. I have three young children all in English schools and am tied down here too much. However, there are lots of English teachers in Poland from all over the World. They will survive without us.