Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK

I think they will always welcome bright people into their country though. Good luck Lisa hope to see you here soon!

Irish building workers have had the luxury of lack of competition for too long! Rates were far too high and productivity was extremely low. Competition was badly needed and long awaited.

Competition is one thing, but being priced out of work is another, maybe if your industry had the same thing going on, you might have a different opinion. Im all for a decent days pay for a decent days work.

The minimum wage in the UK is fast becoming the maximum wage in a lot of industries.

Lack of competition leads, in the long term, to poverty for all!

Because Britain was in poverty before mass immigration?

The danger of all this is, of course, that it is becoming a modern form of Thatcherism via the back door.

Just through interest, why would being in Poland teaching be your dream job? Why not Ireland, Taiwan or Korea or any other country for that matter? I do know and remember that when I was in Poland I met a lot of English teachers over there and one of their main aims was in search of a Polish partner. I suppose that teaching is one good method as it brings you in to direct contact with so many nice young ladies. I knew of one young teacher who finished a CELTA AND worked in Warsaw for Target and then went freelance. He wanted to find a lady and then buy a house in Poland but it all went 'pear shape' and they went their own way. He found the lady of his dreams, or so he had thought. He returned to this country and now travels all over the U.K. repairing cash machines!

Michal i'm not learning taiwanees or Korean i'm learning Polish. No good going to Taiwan or Korea is there........der ;-)

Hang on. They dont speak Polish as a first language?? When did that happen?

Thatcherism enabled the UK to regain economic competiveness and set the stage for unprecedented growth.

and drive down the independance of the individual by offering cheap housing, which of course everyone jumped at the chance, but the clever back lash of not being able to fight back against the employer for fear of loosing your job. The morgage company doesn't care about morals. Unions therefore lost the ability to wield power or influence over the government. For anyone not following... The government gets total power over the people.



Not since the Industrial revolution, but you do have a point. Cheap labour was used then as well to the Governments advantage.

Why not?

I love your written style of English, a shame you are not here now to help me with my latest essay!

Yes, I understand that, I was only asking why? Why Polish of all the languages in the World? What is so special about that country or language? It was not meant as criticism but as a non Polish person there is normally a deeper reason that drives people to a particular area and sphere of interest. For example, people study accountancy because there are good financial rewards at the end of the tunnel-that is still a goal, all the same though. If you had some young Dutch children in your place, would you run off to Amsterdam with your phrase-book?

Thatcherism created an enviroment that transfered power from the collective back to the individual. Markets regained the possibility of setting prices in relation to supply and demand and not government policy dominate by union influence. Union influence that prior to Thatcherism had no regard for market competiveness or the long term financial health of the country.

England also ended up with no industry and became a "nation of service providers" which we are no longer since we outsource that too to places like India. So please tell me what Thatcher did what was so great. Coal miners and steel workers and dockers would argue different to your mentality so would those that had fort hard for the unions.

This is a natural process in highly developed countries! Thatcher forced change on industries that were costing the British tax payer billions of pounds. Socialist economics is dead.! Funding industries that are uncompetitive on the world stage is a road to economic destruction for future generations. The children of steel workers, miners and dockers have been given access to other opportunities that their parents could only dream of.

And what about the communities that were supported by those in industries...you forget about the devistation in certain areas of England...the total desintirgation of whole communities, families torn apart, I may sound a bit dramatic, but you can be as clinical as you like and boast the facts but the reality was very harsh and very different.




How do you know? Those children had a rough time because their parents were out of work and had very little hope.

the steel workers, miners and dockers were quite happy doing the jobs they did, they never dreamed of living in communities where every child's father was unemployed, that's what happened in the pit villages.

What opportunities did the children of men who had lost their jobs have, that previous generations whose fathers were in full time emplyment not have? free school dinners because their families were so poor?

Oh and lets not forget the stigma attached to that, oh also how all the shops closed in the villages because there was no money to be spent :) Arrrhhh what good ole times they were :(

but think of the opportunity it gave to the shopkeepers to take early retirement. And nobody could afford to run a car anymore, so that saved the planet from global warming. I need a delerious looking smilie

i was married to a man who was half dutch and no i wouldn't go to holland.
I can't explain why i'm doing it it just feels right. spookie stuff i know but i believe in fate and all that stuff.

You will be able to enjoy Poland and its culture(yes and frankfurters). Im sure you will do well over here.

I can't take much more of this lol ****** frankfurters. ;-)

You must have been on some wage if it covers the employment of two Polish people (even on minimum wage!).

I think its fantastic that many shops are stocking Polish food. I have to say, its absolute rubbish that the choice is limited now in shops. Think about the food you actually eat Pete, I'd be willing to bet that over 50% is not of English origin anyway. Do you eat Chinese, Indian or Mexican? Do you eat Pizza? Well, that's of Italian origin just like pasta etc. Kebabs are not English. Use your Internet connection for a better purpose and find out what you're talking about!

And, I am not normally this mean, but if you are really without money and facing eviction then you could probably save £30 a month by cancelling your Broadband connection!

You obviously dont shop in Sainsburys then! Oh how did we ever manage :)

LOL

And I'm laughing at that Pete guy because choice now, is better than its ever been (even in Sainsbury's!).

Economics is not governed by morality. Markets react to data and industries are born and die because of their economic competiveness. Governments can only delay, at tremendous cost to future generations, the inevitable. Reality is harsh and those that trade in it have a responsibility to all. Some understand and have the guts to force competiveness that ultimately saves jobs. Competiveness that in the long term creates financial discipline that attracts investment in new start up industries. Others seek to lie and manipulate market forces for short term political gain.

And all the above I understand.