US troops 'would have fought Iranian captors'

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They werent even in Iranian water, they were on the Iraq side, from what I am
reading they want some detainees who are iranian freed. so what govt wouldnt
lie about another govts military? who knows the truth ehh? we dont know that
they werent in Iranian waters, but I dont put it past the iranian govt to lie to
get their way. why take hostages in the first place? because they have some
things that they want back and rules laid down, get the upper hand.

we have 3 they have 15. what better way to get the govt to act. and because so
many oppose war now, they think they have the upper hand, I am not for war. but
there is nothing that pisses me off more then cagey S.O. B."S

so if ya ask me, send the specialists in to get emm out "seals" and be done with it
those that are being held in Iraq were caught actually doing something wrong and
attempting to blow up people, what justice is that for Iranians to capture British
men who did nothing except patrol the waters. they werent blowing up cars.

so this isnt justified in my eyes. yes they were smart to not attack, but what
purpose would the iranian govt have for even taking them hostage in the first place
for three car bomb murderers? and dont even tell me these men dont blow up
innocents, these people have done crap like this way before war was even
started, they do this to each other too.

I have big time mixed feelings about this subject.

this is a fine example of the cannon fodder mentality that the US military installs in their soldiers - the gung ho mind set that costs the lives of innocent people on a daily basis...

this attitude has yet to win america any wars but has cost one hell of a lot of lives...

Bubba....this is definitely not my way of being "American."

I just can't imagine myself rotting away in a P.O.W camp while my friends are out there fighting, actually helping the cause.

And weren't the Poles the only ones not to surrender to Germany and still be occupied? It's not just an American attitude, Poles have had the same way of thinking a quite a few times, thats the only reason there's still a Poland

And yes, I know America isn't being attacked, but still. I'm just going out my way because it's my mind set

Revolutionary.....1812.....Civil War (kept the US united).....they HELPED in WW2 and pretty much won a solo in Japan



I'll give you Nam

Korea
Iraq

While they were losing at the end of Korea, they brought the border back to its original place.....thats called a TIE (not that I'm defending America, but nobody won that war)


Iraq isn't over yet.......present wars don't count

But they probably will lose in Iraq. A democrat will win in office, and then we'll pull out, only to be attacked again, and they'll try to resolve peacefully. (repeat, possibly twice) Then we'll get fed up, go back over, and the same **** will happen again. Iraq is a lost cause

Afghanistan

King,
Afghanistan was a victory, we took outt he taliban, and so is Iraq, those Govt's have to step up to the plate now and defend themselves, but one thing we have forgotten, those people are in holy wars, and when you mix religion with war, its all about killing the unbeliever, or the infedel.
The muslims want world domination, and a muslim world, They have said it and Iranian president has said it,

Bubba,
we lost over 3000 when they bombed Pearl Harbor and we destroyed Japan, and rebuilt it,
We were not going to get involved in WW11 But we did and got rid of Hitler, i wish they had not allowed USSR to take E. Gemany and Poalnd, Dont forget they were also in Afghanistan.
We also lost over 3000 on 9/11, so if we kicked Japans but in '45, why not Saddam's in 03? or the talaban, Look Sadam killed thousands, literally more than 100,000 people, he was a murderer, dont you think it was moral to help them??
How many more lives would be lost if we did not take him out?? THe deaths over there are not from US rifles but Muslim extremists killing other Muslims, this has happened for hundreds of years and will continue, we can not stop them they have to have a change of heart and believe it is not moral to kill someone who does not believe as they do..
That will not happen, because we are all infedels.
i have an assoc. degree in theology, and this side is the side of Ishmeal.. they will never have peace the bible says so, so I do not understand why man thinks we can stop this religious zealoty.
So if we just look at the biblical texts about this, and there is a role in escatology for these folks as well. Understanding the biblical aspects of these people really helps to shed light on the whole middle east, there will be NO PEACE until the son of perdition signs a peace deal with Israel and allows Israel to rebuild the Temple. Did ya'll know that the dome of the rock that is in Israel is in the court of the gentiles, this is in scriture where it says that the court of the gentiles will be givn up to the heathen, and there is also an inscription on the dome of the rock as well in arabic, it says..
"God has not begot and God has not begotten", which is basically saying Jesus is not the son of God!!.. So there are no simplicities to this region and never will be until the last day this earth remains, what i mean by that is until the second coming of Christ.

from what i read there are still american fatalities in afghanistan and there will be a renewed push by fundamentalists in that area in the coming months.

there are theories abound that the USA was itching to join the war as they had stockpiled weapons and army but they needed a excuse to go over that side of the world. allowing the japanese to bomb pearl harbour enabled the american government at the time to join the fracas in europe.

King,
Ya'll keep theorizing. You are talking about 2 wars not one, the japanese bombing of pear Harbor was not done at the request of the US Gov't, and surely is insane to fight on 2 fronts. The US was hesitant and took quite some time to join in, (WWII) and I am sure to most counties like Italy and france were sure were glad we did, otherwise it might be Geman I would be speaking today, instead of trying to learn Polish.
I am bewildered about the fact that the US and Britian allowed the USSR to keep E. Gemany and Poland as war prizes. I am actualy more interested in finding more info about that and why Winston Churchill , or what role he had in it.

As far as Afghganistan, its war baby, soldiers are going to die to protect freedoms.. how many Poles died trying to protect their freedoms in WWII, I had an Uncle in poland murdered by Hitlers henchmen, so this leads me to Poland again. America has a proud history of helping others, if you were in Afghanistan or Iraq, and on Sadamms lisr t to die as the kurds to the north were gased by him, or the taliban because you didnt wear the right clothing, or if a female didnt cover her face, or evn want to go to school, a basic freedom in most countries. Do we just allow unjust men to kill pilfer and destroy, this is not 1945 anymore this is 2007 a modern era where we are trying to cure disease and talk about stem cells, why must we continue to deal with such archaic men who want world domination? We have to fight for what is right, that's why we are there. But the old way of this is slipping away as society is led asleep by liberal think tanks that think if we just sit down and talk,
Look they hit us first, we didnt go to thier land and kill 3000 of their people. If they were interested in peace they can have it, just behave like normal human beings, look at all the ethnic cleansings this world has been through. Deep down it has religious roots. Zelots, fanaticals who think they speak for God. Been there since the world began and will be here till it ends, but that does not mean we should just roll over and die for them.
Anyway,
why is everyone picking on America?? You see you do good and everyone thinks you are the evil one, no the evil one came here and attacked us, and they are getting what they deserve. I am talking only about the ones tied to the terrorists. mark my words, the day the Democrats cut and run and defund this war, it will show up on our shores again, I can only pray that it is not a dirty bomb this time.

what two wars are they?

i didnt say the bombing was done at the request of the US Govt, but who knows, maybe the gov't knew of the plan and did nothing. not illogical, america had been building a huge army and would have been ready to unleash it.

The neo-cons that currently run the US government are big time christians who could also be accused of the above.

Every empire has it scourges.

Larry, it showed up as soon as bush took office. they dont like him because hes
all about oil.

and they didnt like his daddy either.



its all bubbawoos fault he likes us, but he hates our policys.
I dont like our policys either. but I agree with you, when the going gets rough
we seem to come a running to help out and then later on get shunned.

ahem ......... Amen!

to add again, we melted pots over here in America also would like to say how
we are all very devoted to our ancestral homelands. the majority being Polish.

its important to make a clear distinction between bravery and foolishness... despite what video games and hollywood would have you believe...




who the bloody hell told you that?



as with the WMD this just doesnt wash anymore... if it ever did



try telling that to Lance Corporal of Horse Matty Hull's family... and its important to remember that more british soldiers died in the first GW from US rifles than from iraqi... because we wont forget



clearly a rhetorical question



once americans are able to answer this for themselves the picking on will begin to subside...



normally

Yeah Bubba..


Yeah Bubba Al your Fault

it dont matter anymore, we know what we have to do, I am sure we will always
be there thru thick and thin. America always helps. and takes the blame.

were like the older brother always sticking up and taking the heat when mom and
dad gets home.

I like watching Tony Blair on TV looking all tough. I see GW in his eyes and another war in the near future.

Our country is a mess anyway. Confress is trying to send troops home and GWB want's to freakin veto everything. God forbid we suck it up and let them take it from here.

I really hope Blair doesn't do anything stupid to win over Georgy boy.

it is no more a mess then anywhere else. we have our problems just like the
rest of the world , similar circumstances.

We have our poor, middle and rich class of people. we have thiefs, murderers,
and good people. we have stubborn and nieve, we have same religions all on
one big continent. we have famous and we have your regular joes who work
their arse off to keep up with progress.

the only thing different is, we drive on different sides of the road. so If I even
attempted to visit the Uk or Poland. please make sure to remind me to take extra
money for a taxi so I dont run off the road or drive the wrong way

You've misunderstood me. I'm not saying we're different in these aspects...I'm just stating that our country is a mess because our President is having a hissy fit because congress want's to sent troops home. GWB want's to win HIS war and he's now pouting like a child and threatening congress that he's gonna veto anything that comes to his office because he'd rather spend more money on the war instead. I'm embarassed to have him represent our people. And Blair is his little b*tch.

Couldn't agree more. I feel sorry for the military personnel who are struggling and being killed because the politicians committed them to a war with no idea whatsoever on how to win the peace. They had no idea of the true situation in Iraq or Afghanistan, how the different factions would react when the regimes toppled. Not one of them has any understanding of the Middle East, only that there is oil there.

Why the F*ck is every other person here in America part Polish. Did we honestly screw that many people???? I think we're the most widely spread people in the world

Because our grandmas and grandpas were sought after for the good taste in food
love of life and fun and hard working citizens and smartness in building up cities
from the small towns we all came from. we are one creative nation!

thats all i can sum it up to

Aww I see. So that would have been my great-grandparents, because my grandparents lived in Poland, while my greats lived in Connecticut for a while

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u know what is funny, back when one of my aunts came- sponsored by her brother
back in like 1907, she told our cousins, she was chased by so many young polish
men and some who were of other nationalities, she said you could have your pick
of the litter so to speak. there wasnt many polish women to men who came to work
and some went back and great deal stayed. so when the women started coming
they were wooed and courted left and right for marriage because they wanted
a woman to take care of them. and start a family.

she said she had to hide when going to the market, and had to turn a great deal
of very sweet gentleman down. except the one whom was her love. but she
was married within one year of arriving.

The American media shows Blair a weakling who can not take a stand against the Iranians. I guess, we want him to show how strong and defiant he (UK) can be..
It is time for other nations to take a strong lead and show the the middle eastern cowards who is the boss in the world.
So, you can't count on 'merica to police the world. Well, somebody has to be in charge. The world can not be run as an Anarchy.

Another strong voice, go Eurola sha-bam!