US troops 'would have fought Iranian captors'

i just thought id interject at this stage and remind everyone the the uk has the most professional army in the world... and that i have a blue in tiddlywinks...

LOL so what's the latest news in the UK. Think there will be any rescue missions? if so, hoping it won't turn out like Operation eagle claw

dunno the latest in the uk - im in sopot and there are much more interesting things to do than follow the news... although i did hear that the coordinates that iran gave were wrong... so they quickly changed them... sort of thing we would do in england so they are obviously a formidable oponent...

Nice....hope you're enjoying. I wouldn't be watching the news either. Meet up with Casp?

no, but giles and i are gona give it large later

Nice. Wish I could be there to enjoy a few pints with ya. How's the Sopot weather today? Bird watching?

sun glasses weather which is always best... ornithological sun glasses...

I think we would be looking at a lot of dead Americans if they had returned fire, what I find appaling is that there was no aerial fire power covering the inflatables or was this on the orders imposed on the military by one of the worst goverments we have had in Britain that I can remember.

would have been a lot of dead british marines... light arms against gpmgs and rocket launchers... inflatables v armoured gun boats... forget the heroics... leave that to the americans... we british like to live another day...



just a routine patrol...

You think lessons would have been learned after the previous incident in 2004, but I am sure that HMS Cornwall could have taken out the Iranian gunboats if they had wanted to, this smacks of the military having its hands tied again.

you'd think that wouldn't you. Its classic that most of these operations have so much knowledge and todays training is far better they still make the rudimentry mistakes

on big and small levels of operations!

napoleon's march to moscow...inadequate supplies,

hitler...same mistake! (that and fighting two fronts - but its a mistake im eternally grateful for!)

george bush - trying to re-write american MODERN history LOL! if you member, the aircraft carrier for eg tht displayed 'mission accomplished' and bush under it was 'removed' and 'edited' on the offical websites

i do hold the opinion that the british in the field are very professional (*these days)

*im overlooking India, Ireland and other colonial lands that weren't so fortunate to have such a disciplined force - but that's learning from history i think and bravo to them for doing so!

That was the carrier I was stationed on

then you know what im talking about the bush administration has tried to re-write modern history!! (well, it tend to be written by the victors anyhow)

Winston Churchill, in contrary to official British foreign politics in times after WWI, sympathized with the reestablished states of Eastern Europe in he between war period. I will write about it in a different, more appropriate thread.



Because it is a superpower, and just like any other superpower, in order to maintain its position it tries to affect inner politics of other smaller countries. Especially those lain in strategic areas, such as Middle East. Is it right? Not really, but the truth is that if its not going to be "those arrogant Mericans" than somebody else will reach for those lands. Take a look at Africa. After WWII it lost it's strategic position in Europe’s foreign politics ( more important for Europe was to rebuild their economy, etc...) and now the Islamic influence are dominating over western ones. Such a loss can be crucial in the future. Poles once thought that if they leave their neighbors alone, they would do the same thing. The outcome of this situation was that Prussia gained in strength just under our nose and that we lost our independence for over 100 years.

Every superpower tries to manipulate its population. That's a fact. The only difference is how they are trying to accomplish it. Personally I prefer American methods to Russian or Islamic terrorist ones. I think you all catch my drift.

I absolutely agree with you Eurola. If we don't intervene, we are blamed. If we do intervene, we are blamed. It's a vicious cycle that will never end until we are replaced as the leading superpower.

Sorry but have to barge in on your comment on this one, I think your views on Middle Eastern cowards are as the all belong to terrorist group and their entire country is a terrorist and the US and UK should go in and control them and bring peace to the Middle Eastern counties. Due to some extremist the whole world think Middle East is full of terrorist.
So who really is the boss in the world? America... no, UK… no, France…. No. Germany… no lets say for instance if the middle eastern situation was in Europe, will the European people like America or UK to govern them and to show the European people who’s the boss. What would you comments be on this situation?

The truth is that the world is already in chaos. It can never be solved by just few countries, who have nothing but greed to conquer all.

really?

Be careful the wires may be in on it too!! lol

Heh heh,

if I see that on Tv again, on the discovery channel, I am going to write it down
they show them usually twice a day sometimes more and again thru the same
week .

Matter of fact, I am going to go check out the dis-site so I can see if its on there
cause I want you to see it. they actually show a ladys Tv like moving at her!! lol

anything moves in my house, I am moving!

Prophets Of Science Fiction

TV-PG, CC

Examine the strange lives of the visionaries of science fiction. The secrets of their uncanny ability to foretell the future are revealed.

ok, I stand corrected, it wasnt armageddon, it was prophets of science fiction.

I did a search, I dont know if this is the same one we watched, but it could be
but I know it had some really crazy stuff on there. lol
check out the Science Channel.

i think the field is too crowded for you to mooooo, freely

Shoot first, pull the cords out later!!

actually MI-6 funded islamic terrorists in the 1950s....so USA learned from their British cousins........

No aerial coverage? I don't know the situation specifics, as Americans almost *ALWAYS* have a backup, gunships or something... I'm interested in whether the Iranian gunboats surprised the RN boats, and if the RN boats had firepower of their own to call in? If they were on "Patrol" one would think they had the "oomph" to back them up should they need it....
Still, even Americans aren't so stupid to attack armored gunboats with a RHIB and no backup...probably first move would be to avoid contact in the first place. After all, we aren't at war with THEM, at least not overtly.
Interesting the Eastern Europe thing. In school they never really went over the "why" of that, so until I was older I had supposed it was to be "fair" to the Soviets. Nowadays...I wonder how much of it had to do with a spy inside the US giving the Soviets the secrets to nuclear weapons, and if Truman knew it had already happened.
Just speculating here.
John P

Gone back to refuel . Well,atleast they all got home,"we" didnt lose any C130s and the jack tars all came home with nice shinny suits . Loved the "torture" one of the guys went through,ie,constant taunts of "you look like Mr Bean!!", cut right to the core those pesky persians :)

Pesky Persians, do u know any personally?