My Views Of Poles Working in the UK

I can tell u that many Poles see the UK as some kind of haven. I give u Desiderata commonsense.

'God give me the courage to accept the things I cannot change'. U don't have the power to orchestrate wholesale changes so why bother? Yes, I understand that if everyone took that approach then the status quo would always be maintained but what do u propose to do about it, may I ask?

Ok here is my real, honest and straight up opinion of what i think about 'poles working in the uk':

Firstly i am quite happy with polish people coming to the UK and working, i have no problem what so ever with this. There are many very intellegent, switched on, hard working and committed Poles willing to work and its only fair that they have the oppertunity to work here. As Poland has been part of the EU for a while now i think its important to remember than unlike some immigrants they are not illegal, they are allowed to be here and as long as they pay their taxes work here.

However there are certain elements that i do not like and that i would be unhappy about or think needs changing, so here goes:

1. Non-English Speaking: So this is my first issue, Poles who do not speak english and do not make an effort to learn the language. As i understand English is taught in most schools in Poland to some sort of level. THis means taht there should be a basic understanding of our language. However more and more i find people in jobs, in this case polish as its a polish forum, where they cannot communicate to me the information i require. I was in Marks & Sparks only last week looking for a tie, i asked the girl standing at the sign that said 'can i help you' i asked her were the ties were as it was a pretty big store and didnt' want to run round for ages to find them. Firstly she did not understand what i meant, secondly she couldn't communicate with me in my own language. I find this un-acceptable that people working in customer service in the UK cannot speak english. I have mentioned one occassion yes but i can think of many more and my friends have had similar experiences. I know that not all jobs require speaking to people but the ones that do should not be taken by people who do not speak or understand english.

2.Polish ONNLY communities: Ok this point is just as important as the first and probably contributes to it. When people come to the UK to work or live they should at least try or make some sort of effort to mix with the people of the UK. There are many places around the UK where there are a lot of Polish and in some places, Hammersmith, London, that are dominated by the Polish. THey make no effort to mix with the population of the UK, speak the language. This to me is not acceptable, if you come here then you should muck in with the rest of us. Part of becoming multi-cultural is understanding and learning about each others cultures, how are we meant to do that if you don't mix!!!!!!!.

3. Complainers: I'm affraid its true yes, there are polish immigrants who come here to make a better life for themselves and all they do is moan about the UK. Ow the british are lazy, you can't get polish stuff, nobody likes us and other rubbish like this. If you come to the UK and don't like it, then you can go back home its no problem to me or anybody else in the UK. The polish are not the only immigrants who o this but yet again i say this is a polish forum so i'm talking about the polish. I assume that people have come to the UK either because they want to earn a decent wage, better themselves or have come for a better standard and quality of life. So if they want all this then for heaven's sake find a job your happy with and stop complaining :)

4. Minor Jobs: This is something i feel strongly about, recently in the UK there has been a big thing about benefit scroungers etc etc etc. The government while they realise there is a problem are not doing anything about it. Fair play on the polish for coming here and taking jobs such as toilet cleaners, catering, customer service etc etc, however its not helping our own population and is flushing public money down the drain. If all these jobs that the polish and other immigrants are doing, were instead being done by the lazy brits that claim benefits and get away with it, then we would have less of a problem. I'm not blaming the polish or any other immigrants for this. The government are being lazy, instead of letting anybody into the country and agreeing to all this EU rubbish, they should be hand picking people to come into the UK and work where the UK needs it. Then spend the public money that is going on benefits to these lazy people, instead, on getting them out into these jobs!!!!!.

5. Overflow: the polish are not the probelm, they are just part of it, we have way way way way way to many immigrants in this country, we need to cut down on the amount we let in and should have been doing so from the start. There are over 1 million poles in this country at the moment along with the millions of other immigrants. We have our own population and no matter what you may think as many positives immigration has there are major negatives. Housing being given to immigrants instead of the homeless in the uk or those who are in need of it. Benefits being claimed by immigrants (UK benefits should not be given out to non UK nationals) With all this the overflow of immigrants has gone way beyond a joke.

So there you go that is what i think, as i said at the top i'm very happy to have polish in the uk and working. People are probably going to scream racist racist racist and other abusive words my way. Well i know thats going to happen but i hope you can try and understand some of the points i have written about and consider them fom a UK nationals point of view.

Thank you

T

You make me laugh. The point is, there have been a huge amount of threads and hijacking of others dedicated to what you are saying. You are repeating the idea of many forum trolls before you. I have contributed to some of those threads, expressing my ideas, and I won't do what you are doing by being repetetive. Why say something I have said before on the forum? I've almost been part of this forum for a year [under another name] and, like others, are bored with your type of contribution.

In other words, I'm not going to **** off.
...your childish rants.

Wait... it does. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
In your analogies - is the 'father' or customers at the pub saying the same thing over and over again to me to provoke my response? If so, you may guess my answer.

I haven't asked you to contribute or even read my comments. If you don't like it, as said by Tornado2007, go away! I don't like McDonalds, so - this may come as enlightenment to you, I don't go there. It's really easy Sophia, honestly! I've read some of your posts and they're all crap! Let me guess, you work in a cafe all day? You seem to be the type of person who needs a holiday to get away with the pains and displeasures of being yourself.

I think if people really thought about it, they'd agree with much of what u say tornado. To hell with automatically being defensive, speak the truth. Customer service personnel should be able to speak English to the right level, who could disagree?

Poles, unlike the Dutch and Belgians (e.g's), rigidly cling to their own language for the most part. Even tho they can speak English, they choose to gas away in Polish, as is their right but it can be misinterpreted. They are not as comfortable as other EU nations like the abovementioned in speaking English.

There are many complainers, a fact that the Poles know only too well. It's trendy in a way for them to be so but I find it shallow. I know many people here who are not that way and don't play that pathetic game. I'm lucky, I know many cool folks who are more than happy with their lot but it's hard to deny that they are a nation of complainers. That's saying sth as the Brits are too but I find the Poles to be even worse.

Britain created a minor jobs market, sth I saw clearly back in 2003. It was the perfect time for the Poles to come (2004) as many jobs suited their skills. Can't fault them for that. Boo hoo to the lazy Brits.

About overflow, everyone needs to pay their way in life. Are the Poles supposed to be considerate and say, 'Ah, no thanks, you already have enough Poles here so I'll look elsewhere'? Come off it!! BRITAIN allowed this, BRITAIN!! They are merely using their options. Yeah, I'd like to see many of them leave too and contribute to their own national economy but be realistic.

just a quick question... who's town are you in!!!!! what gives YOU the right to be there????

please may i ask a few questions, firstly are you polish yourself??

secondly, is it the points commonsense is making that annoy you or is it the way he is writting them??

Thirdly, are you offended by anything i wrote??

Finally, do you live and work in the UK?? (If the answer to the first quesiton is no, then you can ignore this, lol )

I'm not Polish but I like 2 c myself as an objective Brit

that summs things up nicely.

no no no no no, don't blame Britain and the people, its the government!!! they are the ones who decided to join the EU, they are the ones who have allowed mass, uncontroled immigration, not the British people!!!

It is also the fault of the EU as there is too much freedom of movement.

agree


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What can UK do ? Leave EU ? no. Only one hope is better situation in Poland or social preasure on imigrants in UK to leave (what we can see now ).

I am not blaming anybody here T. I am sure that you know what I meant and I don't need to explain to you how democracy works.


Besides, it is beyond my understanding how so many people come here and complain and only one member of PF actually have undertaken some steps and wrote a letter to his PM. He has done something and took the legal road to change it, the rest of people are just venting and it is not to be taken seriously.

I wonder how many people actually have done something? Action speaks louder than words and it applies to anything in life.

This commonsense is a joke taking it out on Sophia. How low can one get????

When I said Britain, I meant the govt tornado. We all know that. If u doubt my sincerity, go and check what I have written elsewhere. Hitler caused all sorts of bad views of the Germans, Bush of the Americans and so it goes. Separating the actions and views of the govt, or even individuals, from the people is of CRITICAL importance. U probably won't find a greater acknowledger of this fact than me. Go and ask other PF members my take on this.

Well said Tornado! No one EVER asked me if I wanted my town to become like a giant airport. The government have allowed this but now this problem is affecting the middle classes that's why it's such a big issue. Even the BBC, that bastion of PC is getting involved. I really wished I didn't care, I'd like to be like Sophia and have a pointless existence, a bit like a turd on a footpath - but I do care. At least debate is being allowed without the racist card being played.

By the way, My town is 'up north'.

lol thats funny, yes i know what you mean of course and yes we live in a democracy, however we may have voted the government in but they won't even give us a referendum on the EU so its not the man on the streets choice, so to speak!!!.


good on him we need more people to do the same. I think there is a difference between venting and putting down your real feelings. Although i am sometimes drawn into the rant, i feel most of my contributions are more than just that.


what can i do without being accussed of being a racist?? lol. writting to your MP are you joking look at what the MP's in charge of the country got us into, you really think they can lead us out of it :)


ok mate i believe you, lol, its just you did say britain and i wanted to make sure that other people understood that it was the government, i wasn't having a pop at you


it is frustrating when something you don't like is happening and is totally out of your hands. I'm sure there are thousands maybe millions of people who feel the same, well actually according to the latest polls a lot of people actually care about immigration and the fact it needs sorting out.

i agree on that, some sort of english tests should be arranged for immigrants and those that dont pass should not be let in but encouraged to study english a bit more and then try again.

i think it`s the employer`s fault though if they decide to hire people whose english isn`t even basic. when i first came to london 3 years ago, i worked in a restaurant and my mananger was a bit of a casanova so to say. he liked to hire good looking ladies so that later he could flirt with them and so he hired this korean girl, she was absolutely beautiful but didn`t speak english at all. it was difficult to work with her and probably frustrating for the customers as well. so it`s not just the polish that`s don`t speak the language :)



i agree with that as well, but just as with your first point, it does not only apply to the polish. if you look at the muslims or hindus, they don`t seem to want to intergrate either. personally, i noticed that a lot of english girls seem to be reserved towards me for whatever reason (maybe i look scary lol) so i can`t make friends with them but my parter`s friends who are english, are nice and i enjoy the time i spent around them (that is when we get to meet up cuz with a 1 year old it`s not so easy hehe)



by complaining we`re just trying to intergrate with the english :P i`m kidding. i think it`s not fair to complain all the time and on a large scale as it can spread (meaning more people will complain if they see others doing it). living in a different country is not always easy and you`ll always find something to complain about. funnily enough, these people are the first to complain about things that go wrong in poland as well.



some people just don`t want to work. those jobs were available in the uk before 2004, nobody made lazy a$$es do them so the eastern europeans had to come here and do them.



which benefits do you mean? i`m getting child benefit and child tax credit, currently seeking work (we just moved house + coming back from maternity leave) so claiming JSA, i also received maternity allowance and sick pay. i never worked in poland, have lived in the uk for 4 years (1 yr on the isle of wight and 3 yrs in london). so do you think i should not be getting this? i think some people are commiting benefit fraud and that should be monitored better.



your welcome :)

you are really out of touch Tornado;0

Tornado, I'm _Sofi_, I just have a new profile.
You don't have to, people may post in any thread they wish to.


Telling someone to f**k off is very respectful.

..and I enjoy yours...

I could insult you and take the same tone as you do in my responses, but I don't know you, nor do I care to - I was only telling you that we have heard this all before.
You have already shown a fine imagination [i.e 'look at people with an inept, doltish and moronic smile safely'].

Incubus is right, much of the fault lies at the feet of the employers. They do the proficiency tests (or don't maybe) and decide on the suitability of the candidate.

Ok I will say it again. Why you discusse it here ? My presonal opinion is that it is primitive. :) I think we can't change anything here on PF ...

as to me I have UK deep in my a ss :)

I am not talking about you. I don't know and I don't want to know what you have done or didn't do. It is not my bussiness. It is up to you.
writing a letter intelligently put together doesn't have to be racist at all. Just a though.

you don`t like the polish, so - this may come as enlightenment to you - don`t post of polishforums!

at the end I will add that Polish emigrants sent Poland 20 blns PLN in 2007 :)

cheers :P

U have UK deep in ur a**, who is he?

Polish people or any migrants should not be allowed ANY benefits. If you cannot find work you should go home. This is common sense. It goes to show this nonsense that Poles are here doing jobs we don't want to do if there are some not working and on benefits. You can look for work in Poland at the expense of the Polish government. This is why we have nationalities/countries and passports. Poles are not subjects of Britain.
THIS NONSENSE HAS TO STOP!

ow sorry i didn't realise :) thanks for letting me know :)


i agree it is down to the employer who they appoint for certain roles within a company


yes i understand its not just polish i think i said that in my post that i wasn't picking on the polish only. I also take your point that some of the british populaion don't seem to want to intergrate with the immigrants. There needs to be effort from both sides.


yes i understand that, i think i did mention that too in my post. I just think the money spent on benefits should be spent getting these people into work, instead of taking the easy option by opening up our borders to every ski, scu and ahmed.


well if you have never worked in Poland then i can assume you've been here for a long time, so therefore can be considered a british citizen. So your welcome to those benefits and you hae a right to claim them :)


cheers and thanks for the contribution


lol, i'm trying to be polite instead of blunt :)


wow ok darling be forceful thats fine i was just replying to you, if you want to say 'i don't give a s**t what you think' you might as well :)


no your correct, although as i said writting to the MP's that got us here in the first place, lol :)


your right in a way, if they have not been here long enough to be a british citizen then they should claim polish benefits.

who cares ?

Do u really think it is easy just to waltz into plum jobs commonsense? It's not as easy as u make it out to be.

so much that you decided to leave your country lol



lol, from this sentence i just found out that there are no british people in the british government.



and who did you vote for in the last elections? if at all?

Lol :) I had it in my avatar, I should have kept it up longer.