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'w' - difference between accusative+locative


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Davey
  Dec 9, 07, 19:58  #1

I know you can use the preposition 'w' with accusative or location(ex. w życie, w życiu)
What's the difference?

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Michal
  Dec 10, 07, 08:29  #2

Ja jestem w domu-I am in the house or I am at home. We use the locative case as it states location and not movement. W plus the accusative case would show movement though to be honest in Polish the language uses more do plus the genitive case. Russian uses w plus the accusative case all the time. Ja jestem w Londynie but ja jadę do Londynu. Popatrz na siebie w lusterko-look at yourself in the mirror is an example of w plus the accusative case.

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MrBubbles
  Dec 10, 07, 09:40  #3

Quoting: Davey
I know you can use the preposition 'w' with accusative or location(ex. w życie, w życiu)
What's the difference?


Check the phrases on google. There'll be some verbs that use the accusative and some that use the locative.

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Curtis
  Dec 10, 07, 09:53  #4

How exactly do you pronounce "w" though? Is it similiar to how you would pronounce "w" the letter in lower case of the english alphabet?

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porta
  Dec 10, 07, 09:58  #5

W is like f in fish :)

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RJ_cdn
  Dec 10, 07, 10:01  #6

Quoting: Curtis
How exactly do you pronounce "w" though? Is it similiar to how you would pronounce "w" the letter in lower case of the english alphabet?

"w" is pronounced more like "v" in Violet or Victor

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plk123
  Dec 10, 07, 10:32  #7

yeah, w ~ v but there sure are instances where the 'w' may kind of sound like an 'f' however the correct pronounciation is the hard 'v' at all times.

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osiol
Edited by: osiol  Dec 10, 07, 11:11  #8

Doesn't it depend on whether the first letter of the following word is voiced or not?

And isn't it 'wy' before complicated consonant clusters?
What makes a consonant cluster difficult other than just being in Polish anyway?

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Michal
  Dec 10, 07, 11:12  #9

Skręć w pierwszę przecznicę na lewo-take the first turn on the left, is use of 'w' plus the accusative too.

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z_darius
  Dec 10, 07, 11:31  #10

Quoting: osiol
What makes a consonant cluster difficult other than just being in Polish anyway?


we before f/v+ consonant (we Francji, we Wroclawiu)
w elsewhere (mostly) (w Warszawie, w Szwecji, w Szczecinie)

is that what you were asking about?

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Michal
  Dec 10, 07, 14:09  #11

Quoting: osiol
And isn't it 'wy' before complicated consonant clusters?

There is a word in Polish wy but it is a personal pronoun meaning you in English. Wy mieszkacie, wy znacie ect but sadly has nothing to do with the preposition w and we.

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plk123
  Dec 10, 07, 16:11  #12

Quoting: z_darius
we before f/v+ consonant (we Francji, we Wroclawiu)



hmmm. wroclaw starts with W not f/v... ??

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osiol
  Dec 10, 07, 16:13  #13

Quoting: z_darius
is that what you were asking about?

Yes. This time I was getting muddled on a vowel.

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z_darius
  Dec 10, 07, 18:58  #14

Quoting: plk123
hmmm. wroclaw starts with W not f/v

it was mean as pronounciation, not spelling, so you're right. Spelled out it should be f/w
we wroclawiu, we fromborku

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osiol
  Dec 10, 07, 19:41  #15

From what I can see in the dictionary, words beginning with the letter F don't look very Slavic in origin.

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z_darius
  Dec 10, 07, 21:57  #16

At least we can honestly say they were not "stolen from Russian" :)

Never thought about that before but indeed, most of them look like borrowings.

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Davey
  Dec 12, 07, 13:06  #17

Quoting: Michal
Ja jestem w domu-I am in the house or I am at home. We use the locative case as it states location and not movement. W plus the accusative case would show movement though to be honest in Polish the language uses more do plus the genitive case. Russian uses w plus the accusative case all the time. Ja jestem w Londynie but ja jadę do Londynu. Popatrz na siebie w lusterko-look at yourself in the mirror is an example of w plus the accusative case.


That makes sense because I rarely ever see it using accusative but in this context it was 'Chcę w życie wejść' which is denoting movement
thanks=)

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Michal
  Dec 12, 07, 14:46  #18

Quoting: Davey
That makes sense because I rarely ever see it using accusative but in this context it was 'Chcę w życie wejść' which is denoting movement
thanks=)

If you ever study Russian it seems easier to explain as they use w in the accusative and in the locative meaning the same word but either direction is implied or location.

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