Walesa interview

Przeglad published an interview with Walesa. What do you think on it? Unfortunately it is in Polish. I don't know if English text exists.

Russia goes like a thunderstorm [in Polish]

http://www.przeglad-tygodnik.pl/index.php?site=opinie&name=185

I do not know as I have not seen it. Anyway, he is just history now and was not liked even when he was in power even by the people in Gdansk. I remember when I was in Gdansk and he led Solidoarnosc and at the same time he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. A lot of people in Gdansk were very unhappy about it saying that he did not deserve such an award.

Comments in polish under the interwiev are very negative, Walesa in Poland is seen as dumb man who stabbed Poland in back and talks sh*t.

At least it will be an honest article!

Solidarnosc was originally a Jewish Communist commune, related to the Bund...around
1950, because of growing resentment of Jewish domination of the Communist movement in Poland, it was combined with a more 'Polish' communist group of the same
the same kind, as certain Polish communist apparatchiks sought to curb Jewish/Zionist
contol...you can read about this at: http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/lenin-trotsky.html ( although it is a rather long article, and the info about Solidarnosc is buried
in the middle)...I can find no other mentions of it's history until Lech Walesa got involved.

Joe don't forget Soviet totalitarism persisted in its unhuman and antirussian nature despite the complete withdrawal of Jewish activists from the Soviet administrative system. I can mention other examples of the sort.
Israel today seems to be one of the most loyal state to Russia. Israel doesnt impose its concepts concerning democracy and doesn't interfere into Russian internal affairs. It has a comprehension of Russian desire to be neutral un conflict with Palestinians. I don't know another so tolerant state in Europe

As to most intolerant, they are white anglo-saxons from the USA. And some states in contact with them.
The most indignating thing is that they seem to forget all the ways and algorytms of Civic siciety creation in their own state.
It seems sometimes that Bush and his leutenants see US history in such way:
Some 15 years ago Americans were like wild primitive persons hunting mammonts and bears. But Georve Bush came, taught democracy, the USA became rich and prosper. And democratic. And now without any delay Pax Americana should be exported to the rest of the world.

The Soviet bureaucracy had a heavy Jewich component right until the end...Yuri Andropov?...real name Lieberman?...anyway, Israel is not a democracy, it is a theocracy.
if you are nor Jewish, you have no rights...as far as it's relation to Russia, it will be in-
teresting to see how relations w/Russia play out...Putin has no objection to money wherever it comes from, and is doing business w/Israel...however, as I have written,
this is a high stakes chess match & the Zionists are masters of the 'game'.

I'm Russian. I have rights. If they are violated It is done not by oligarchs upstairs but by people of my level os sometimes a little upper or even downstairs. Even if it is inspired by smbd. upstairs it can't be real without people near me participation. And they are all Russians. This is the reality. My enemies aren't Jewesh oligarchs but lumpens and law-enforcement bodies officers nearby

Well, of course...corruption at the top can't work without corruption at the bottom...same in the USA...police mentality is sometimes borderline 'psychopathology'.

Joe,
There is a great difference between you and ordinary Russian. Russians think The top of political system is responsable for everything. People should only follow chiefs or reject superior authorities if they "are agains people". New heroes wil come to power and nomine good leutenants, they in turn will choose their commands and the man in the street will be protected.
Russians think they should work and pay taxes and public servants, police, secret service and army will become their servants. They have arms, force, system but they can't use it against defenseless middle classers by any instinct. And President always has force over them and they can't rebel against him except his policy is antipopular.
No one can deny such rule doesn't work. February revolution 1917 was a pure praetorian rebel that opened way to Russia to Communism. Andropov mentioned by you was for Soviet leader Brezhnev smth like Hoover for US presidents, i.e. blackmail professonal.
Russians know that but for them it is only an injustice against them without any idea that middle classers (not invalids, sick people unable to move) may controle streets and towns and in this way prevent any preatorianism upstairs and Human Rights violation on their level. They don't even imagine that during war soldiers are against soldiers not generals. No, they think they must support some upper "Patriotic Forces" in their struggle against oligrchs by voting only and everything will be OK.
Every time such campaign fails Russians are sad. They behave themselves as if they are little babies abandoned by their parents. Parents forgot their duties and a little baby isn't capable to do anything by himself.
That's common Russian psycology. Pardon Poles but I'm sure you have the same psycology.
It should be noted that not only domestic politicians exploit it but also foreign ones as for example author of coloured revolutions Sharp.
That occures because first we were taught as slaves.
Besides that any efficient militia ended here in 18 century it was developping in UK and USA

American intellectuals like you who know American history realize well that each duty of public servants any law on Human Rights is only a sheet of paper for wc if they are not supported by even some 10% of population organized as minutemen.
People like you know that if there is an hierarchy of armed men parallel to other social hierarchy, if some salaried and organized people exist to "defend" defenseless and unorganized people, sooner or later they will become their masters.
It is not important to spend much force to Americans like you that oligarchs upstairs are less dangerous than lumpens nearby. And that middle class militia is the only efficient way to make lumpens work without claiming to share with them manufactured by other people.

Joe, you are free American. You know American history. If you share you knowledge on algorytms of local defence with Russians that may be the greatest contribution any American did for Russia.