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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 7, 07, 17:39  #91

Quoting: randompal
you are assuming Europe wants to get married to an out-of-control debt junkie who spends all of his money on guns and toys. Sounds like a marriage made in hell, no thanks, you can keep America haha..


honestly USA should treat EU in different way as it was in the past, but I think in some cases we should cooperate ... EU has to be equlal partner for USA. and on economical level we should try to use free market to win over them ...


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cubic
  Nov 7, 07, 17:45  #92

Quoting: z_darius
That was the main mistake Saddam did (of course everybody knew he had no nukes)

And yet China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Corp, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros in March 2007. In September 2007, Japan's Nippon Oil has agreed to buy Iranian oil using yen. And Iran is in the process of opening a euro-denominated oil bourse. (All according to Iranian Oil Bourse.) But Iran has not (yet) been attacked...


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randompal
  Nov 7, 07, 17:47  #93

Quoting: Lukasz
EU has to be equlal partner for USA. and on economical level we should try to use free market to win over them ...

to win over the USA you need control of resources, namely natural gas and oil. the oil-dollar cycle is what keeps the US military afloat. Iraq was invaded not only because they had oil but because they started selling their oil for euros instead of the dollar, which every OPEC country is theoretically required to do. as soon as Iran hinted that it is interested in trading oil for euros, it became the next target.


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randompal
  Nov 7, 07, 17:48  #94

Quoting: cubic
But Iran has not (yet) been attacked

probably only because the US is going broke as we speak, the dollar is STILL falling. plus there arent enough troops to invade Iran, they would need a draft again just like during Vietnam..


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Matyjasz
  Nov 7, 07, 17:50  #95

Quoting: randompal
the US has created many monsters over the years and now they are turning around to bite America on the ass. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow, no one to blame but the Neoconservative pinheads who are currently doing a splendid job of bankrupting what used to be a fine country. Just google the US national debt clock...



Still, it won't be good for Europe if USA will be replaced by, lets say, china. A thing that many anti-americans seem not to notice.


Quoting: Lukasz
China ... new player in some way created by Americans and Europeans ... there is one advantage of Chinese after Taiwan they will take eastern part of Russia ;)))



A weak Russia is also not good for Europe. :(


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Lukasz
  Nov 7, 07, 17:57  #96

Quoting: Matyjasz
Still, it won't be good for Europe if USA will be replaced by, lets say, china. A thing that many anti-americans seem not to notice.


agree


Quoting: Matyjasz
A weak Russia is also not good for Europe. :(


but weak Russia means hollydays in Poland ...

Quoting: randompal
to win over the USA you need control of resources, namely natural gas and oil. the oil-dollar cycle is what keeps the US military afloat. Iraq was invaded not only because they had oil but because they started selling their oil for euros instead of the dollar, which every OPEC country is theoretically required to do. as soon as Iran hinted that it is interested in trading oil for euros, it became the next target.


French will give them soldiers ...


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Grzegorz_
  Nov 7, 07, 17:59  #97

Quoting: Matyjasz

A weak Russia is also not good for Europe. :(


Some would disagree...


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randompal
  Nov 7, 07, 18:04  #98

Quoting: Matyjasz
Still, it won't be good for Europe if USA will be replaced by, lets say, china. A thing that many anti-americans seem not to notice.

china, america, russia, israel...they are all a bunch of parasites as far as i'm concerned and i don't want to see a world ruled unilaterally by any one of these jackals, just like since the beginning of time they will bleed the world dry and use us (weak countries like Poland) for cannon fodder


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 7, 07, 18:05  #99

I dont think that this discussion between us Poles is proper on international forum.

:) to cut long story short

WE LOVE AMERICA

statua

WE LOVE EU

sss

WE RESPECT RUSSIA

kreml

:))) se ya tomorrow


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hello
  Nov 7, 07, 21:36  #100

The European leaders start to calculate and it's not looking as bright for Europe (or Poland) as some here suggest:

Sarkozy's complaints that the U.S. currency's drop against the euro is undermining European competitiveness.

Sarkozy said yesterday that Toulouse, France-based Airbus SAS, the world's biggest planemaker, loses about 1 billion euros ($1.5 billion) for every 10-cent increase against the dollar.


Bloomberg news

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z_darius
  Nov 7, 07, 21:57  #101

Quoting: cubic
And yet China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Corp, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros in March 2007. In September 2007, Japan's Nippon Oil has agreed to buy Iranian oil using yen. And Iran is in the process of opening a euro-denominated oil bourse. (All according to Iranian Oil Bourse.) But Iran has not (yet) been attacked...

Four years of US failed policies, the size of China, the power of Japan's economy and hugs and kisses between Iran and Russia do make a big difference.


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Lukasz
  Nov 8, 07, 01:36  #102

Quoting: hello
Sarkozy's complaints that the U.S. currency's drop against the euro is undermining European competitiveness.


maybe it is problem for some of EU countries ... but for Poland it is good business, part of our debt is in $, we have to pay for F-16 in $, our export to USA is very small ...


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krysia
  Nov 8, 07, 03:16  #103

If Americans want to go to Poland, they better hurry because next year the dollar will be worth about 1 zl. It is dropping drastically.

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randompal
  Nov 8, 07, 03:24  #104

Quoting: krysia
If Americans want to go to Poland, they better hurry because next year the dollar will be worth about 1 zl. It is dropping drastically.

yep looks like the Federal Reserve can't print dollars fast enough!


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randompal
  Nov 8, 07, 03:26  #105

Quoting: Lukasz
French will give them soldiers ...

Sarkozy will have to send the Foreign Legion, French troops won't want to go to the mid-east to fight Uncle Sam's war - oops that's what Poland is for!


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 8, 07, 03:38  #106

Quoting: randompal
Sarkozy will have to send the Foreign Legion, French troops won't want to go to the mid-east to fight Uncle Sam's war - oops that's what Poland is for!


in case of Iran USA - EU will hold one line ... you will see, and I m not discussing if Iran is real thread or if Poland should care about Iran ... I just noticed fact


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 8, 07, 03:49  #107

Quoting: krysia
If Americans want to go to Poland, they better hurry because next year the dollar will be worth about 1 zl. It is dropping drastically.



after this statement I think it will not happen


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szarlotka
  Nov 8, 07, 03:57  #108

Would love to contribute further but I have to go and do the Xmas shopping in the States.

I think my wife would like Oregon for Xmas.

Toodle Pip


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randompal
  Nov 8, 07, 04:23  #109

Cool. Pick up Hawaii while you are threre, I'll pay u back next month..


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Nov 8, 07, 06:27  #110

Quoting: Grzegorz_
It's not funny anymore

no, its not funny

its even just a matter of time when would Budism become more agressive as global religion. Islam would look as small joke in comparison with it.

China isn`t etnicaly homogenous. Bulk of population consists of Han people but, China managed to preserve memory on common origin of people which are part of Chinese civilization in general. Global strategic researches see China as one of global civilizations.

Power of China is in numbers and in fact that Chinese population is aware that they can survive, prosper and preserve their identity only if part of their Chinese civilization. They had hard history, often starvations/famine, wars, many invaders on them. But now, in modern time, they consolidate and represent remarcable example of sucessfull civilization. Thay are also very old civilization (one interesting thing- their old chronicles preserved data about contacts with Proto Slavs/Slavs, Sarmatians and any Chinese historian would easely tell you that Sarmatians are in fact modern day Slavs).


One more thing

I found once comment in Net article that Komsomolskaya pravda wrote that in the Russian imagination there are graphic images of migrants from Central Asia and the North Caucasus fighting against the Chinese for influence in Siberia.

I ask... Where are Russians in that fighting, which already occured? This question forced me to understand that Russia must change fast and open on the first place for other Slavs, if wants to survive on the long run. This helped me to understand attitude of some of my Russian friends, in case with new approach in Pan-Slavic Russian circles. Simply, situation dictate changes. In past, Slavs were slow on changes and we paid that derly. We will see what would be our modern respond on current and future chalanges.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 8, 07, 10:15  #111

Quoting: Crow
I found once comment in Net article that Komsomolskaya pravda wrote that in the Russian imagination there are graphic images of migrants from Central Asia and the North Caucasus fighting against the Chinese for influence in Siberia.


we know that Russians are really worried about China and their Syberia ... If China is thread for Poland :))) I dont think so ... as to Russians, that is why we know that their threads that they can sell their gas/oil to other places than EU is good joke, they can sell it for China but main reciver will be Europe becuase it is the best for Russia safety ...

as to Chinese people in Poland :)) they think about money and their business I dont think buddism is going to be thread :))) as to me they are perfect imigrants


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Macduff
  Nov 8, 07, 10:29  #112

Check how the employment level is heading in the USA if is good keep the $ if it is getting worse sell sell sell

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 8, 07, 10:34  #113

sytuation is very interesting ...

USD/PLN

usdpln


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hello
  Nov 8, 07, 10:49  #114

I'm from Poland myself and I understand the frustration of Poles in Poland. But the argument that the Polish Zloty is strong and people should be happy becasue of it is as silly as propaganda. Look at the bottom line - US dollar is weak abroad, but Americans still can afford a new car every 5 years, new computers (PC and laptop) every 2 year, changing oil every 3000 miles. Compare it to Poland... When I go to Poland people window-shop for goods that Americans buy once a month.

Nice charts, but no goods and empty wallet doesn't equal the quality of life.

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Lukasz
  Nov 8, 07, 10:59  #115

Offcourse USA is richer country but we would have more problems with weak Euro becuase we export our products mainly to Euro Zone, and we have some debts in $ so it will be easier to pay it (F-16 is nice example) ...


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krysia
  Nov 8, 07, 11:07  #116

Quoting: hello
but Americans still can afford a new car every 5 years, new computers (PC and laptop) every 2 year, changing oil every 3000 miles.

Ooops...not every American. My car is 10 years old, I better hurry and get a new one. I change oil very 3000 miles coz it's better for the engine and it's cheap.
But Poland will become one of the strongest countries in Europe. In 2012 Poland and Ukraine will host the Soccer Tournaments. They are building like crazy new roads, new hotels, etc. in preperation for the event. And who will be working in Poland? The Chinese. All the Poles left to England.
And the Polish zloty will become stronger, the pays will be higher because of belonging to the EU.

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hello
  Nov 8, 07, 11:13  #117

Yes. But the question is - what's a country worth if it's hard to live in it? How much your salary is able to buy you goods and services is the most important measure. How long in Poland you'll have to work to afford a small apartment versus in the US? Same for other big-ticket goods like cars or even clothes.

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z_darius
  Nov 8, 07, 11:16  #118

Quoting: hello
Yes. But the question is - what's a country worth if it's hard to live in it? How much your salary is able to buy you goods and services is the most important measure. How long in Poland you'll have to work to afford a small apartment versus in the US? Same for other big-ticket goods like cars or even clothes.

However strongly I wish I would like to disagree, I can't. You have some valid points here.


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randompal
  Nov 8, 07, 11:18  #119

Quoting: hello
Americans still can afford a new car every 5 years, new computers (PC and laptop) every 2 year, changing oil every 3000 miles

nothing lasts for ever. Just watch, if the dollar does continue to go bust the US will have to do something drastic, there is a very real possibility that WWIII is just around the corner...


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Grzegorz_
  Nov 8, 07, 11:20  #120

Quoting: hello
I'm from Poland myself and I understand the frustration of Poles in Poland.


Bla bla... You live in America and simply don't want to realize that America is losing its status. Yeah, I heard It many times that weak dollar is some kind of master plan of the government and Fed but this is BS.

And I've got no idea what "frustration" you are talking about.


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