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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  Feb 10, 08, 08:57  #331

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
But we did serve as a beacon light to the rest of the World.

There were millions of beacons of light all over the world. These were the people who actually fought. You saved nobody. You likely botched another business deal in Poland so you're mad and came here to spit at everything Polish. Today you even spat on your own wife.

What a pitiful little fvck you are.

BubbaWoo wrote:
as there is no longer the need for the under classes to be sent of to do battle on the front, is there not a strong argument to be made for enforced sterilisation amongst the lower classes... we no longer need them to die for us on the battle field and, in the uk at least, many of them do not want to work and are a burden on the state

I thought we were chatting about WW2, not about today.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:03  #332

The use of Spitfires was an undoubted success, a triumph for the British. However, without American intervention, we wouldn't have saved the world. Hitler also feared the Russian Red Army to a certain level. When they started getting closer, he cacked himself and knew his time was almost up. That's more to the point

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Wroclaw Boy
Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Feb 10, 08, 09:05  #333

z_darius wrote:
There were millions of beacons of light all over the world. These were the people who actually fought. You saved nobody

And WTF do you know? Immigrant.

America got rich from WWII, England lost their empire for the greater good.

Churchill played the fiddle and the allies danced, a good conductor and the actual winner of freedom in my opinion.

I stick with my original statment we saved the World.

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z_darius
  Feb 10, 08, 09:07  #334

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
And WTF do you know? Immigrant.

Apperently I know more than you do. Immigrant.

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
America got rich from WWII, England lost their empire for the greater good.


Lost their empire?
I'd rather say that many countries regained independence from England.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:08  #335

Yeah, Greg's dated perspectives are letting him down. He needs to read from more than one book, written in 1960 sth

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miranda
  Feb 10, 08, 09:08  #336

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
England lost their empire for the greater good

and have been crying ever since

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Wroclaw Boy
Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Feb 10, 08, 09:11  #337

z_darius wrote:
I'd rather say that many countries regained independence from England.


Like America then, the victors of WWII (in your opinion) which was a UK colony, created by US the fukin British. Keep digging those holes sweetheart.

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MareGaea
  Feb 10, 08, 09:11  #338

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
America got rich from WWII, England lost their empire for the greater good


But they used their profits to help Western Europe. Britain did not loose it's vast, stolen, empire until after the war when the respective ppls started to realise that they did not need the British and that they could rule themselves. Besides that, the biggest part of what Britain owed to the US was never paid. Britain was virtually bankrupt, even before the war already.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:12  #339

But the Rule Brittania song still gets aired from time to time. It is a thorn in the side of the Brits that we lost the empire but the EU has brought Europe together IN SOME RESPECTS for the better.

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MareGaea
  Feb 10, 08, 09:14  #340

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
a UK colony


Didn't know WW2 took place in the 18th century...

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z_darius
  Feb 10, 08, 09:15  #341

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
Like America then, the victors of WWII (in your opinion) which was a UK colony, created by US

Past glory.

Open your eyes. The year is 2008. UK is just a small country that was saved by the "little brother" at least twice in the last century. Where Americans couldn't do it Russians came in handy.

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Wroclaw Boy
Edited by: Moderator  Feb 10, 08, 09:15  #342

MareGaea wrote:
Britain did not loose it's vast, stolen, empire until after the war when the respective ppls

Oh and the Dutch are just saints???? What about South Africa? You guys are just the origin of apartheid. Only thing is considering you once had a half decent navy how the hell did you end up with such a tiny (below sea level) piece of Europe.



z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words. What part of We the "UK tought them" dont you understand?

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MareGaea
Edited by: MareGaea  Feb 10, 08, 09:17  #343

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
the origin of apartheid


We invented the Slave-Trade, don't forget that!
But Apartheid (the only Dutch word used worldwide in its original Dutch form) was solely an invention of the South African government. South Africa was stolen from the Dutch by the British some 300 years before that, so following your line of thinking, one could also say that Apartheid is British in origin.

Indeed we are a small country that lies for nearly half it's size below sea-level. With the exception of the time that it was joined together with Belgium (which is the original size of the Netherlands - Belgium is a Low Country as well) it has never been bigger; all the more reason to admire the vast line of achievements we made worldwide :)

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z_darius
  Feb 10, 08, 09:18  #344

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Oh and the Dutch are just saints???? What about South Africa? You guys are just the origin of apartheid.

What about South Africa?
Can you tell us about some of the efforts of the English part of the South African population who opposed apartheid in their country?

I remember that optimistic push of Brits to S.A. in search of jobs in 1970's. Few had a problem with S.A. apartheid then.

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Wroclaw Boy
  Feb 10, 08, 09:21  #345

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z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words. What part of We the "UK tought them" dont you understand?

Answer this questrion please.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:22  #346

USA was a UK colony? What? Colony implies large control WB. Many nationalities went there, not just Brits.

I agree with the apartheid part, that was one of my favourite subjects to read about at school. A terrible policy!!

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Wroclaw Boy
  Feb 10, 08, 09:25  #347

Seanus wrote:
Many nationalities went there, not just Brits.

So why arent they talking French, or spainsh, or dutch?

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z_darius
  Feb 10, 08, 09:25  #348

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z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words.

First, I didn't say USA defeated tha Nazism. Second, the US had been an English colony about 250 years ago. Since then is has became an independent country which svered its ties with England. They did it consciously.

UK taught America nothing. America wanted nothing to do with UK, and they even tried to change the language. German lost to English by 1 (one!!!) vote. Classical Greek was among the languages proposed. You are dwelling on glories long gone and you are trying to make it sound like USA is owing UK something. They don't. The colonists drove the English out in a military conflict. Which part of this don't you understand?

The US was created by immigrants from all over the world. Immigrants just like you and me.

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MareGaea
Edited by: MareGaea  Feb 10, 08, 09:25  #349

Seanus wrote:
Many nationalities went there


Actually the biggest group to come into America from Europe are not the Irish, but the Germans. There's also an issue there: in 1914 it was due to this huge group of German immigrants not by all means sure that the US, should it participate in WW1, would choose the British side. After all, Britain had bugged the US for over a century.

z_darius wrote:
German lost to English by 1


That issue was not new at that time. When the British took over New Amsterdam and changed it to New York, two groups were living there: British and Dutch. On the vote what would be the general language in the city, and the colony, Dutch lost with two votes to English.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:29  #350

Why WB? Well, there was a vote and they had to agree on one language, quite simple really.

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MareGaea
  Feb 10, 08, 09:32  #351

z_darius was a little quicker than I was :)

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Wroclaw Boy
  Feb 10, 08, 09:33  #352

z_darius wrote:
You are dwelling on glories long gone and you are trying to make it sound like USA is owing UK something. They don't. The colonists drove the English out in a military conflict. Which part of this don't you understand?

The UK lost the war of independance as we did not see it economicaly viable at the time. As a result we cut off the resources: namely, finance, weapons and infantry.

z_dariusz what the hell nationality are you dawg? Show some patriotism for goodness sake to your home land.

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Seanus
  Feb 10, 08, 09:34  #353

Germans lost by 7, not 1

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MareGaea
  Feb 10, 08, 09:36  #354

z_darius wrote:
dwelling on glories long gone


Isn't that typically British?

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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  Feb 10, 08, 09:39  #355

The choice of language was just one part of the so called "American war for independence". This war had its significant cultural aspect. The colonists, now calling themselves Americans, changed whatever they could, and where things couldn't be changed because Americans simply didn'r have their own material (local legends and myths, for instance) they invented them. A good chunk of early American lit. was pretty much "tailored to size", so to speak. Rip Van Winkle, or Hawthoirne's novels were results of that struggle. Yup, these literary pieces had a purpose that went beyond the need to tell a story. They were designed to create a nation's sense of tradition.

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
The UK lost the war of independance as we did not see it economicaly viable at the time. As a result we cut off the resources: namely, finance, weapons and infantry.


Less than 100 years later Americans were buying entire European castles and transporting them back to the US brick by brick.

Yeah, the Brits sure showed them, huh? :))

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
z_dariusz what the hell nationality are you dawg?


I thought it was obvious. Isn't it?

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Wroclaw Boy
  Feb 10, 08, 09:44  #356

z_darius wrote:
Americans, changed whatever they could,

Thats all fairly dashing but who are you? and where are you from mush? Your definetly not a yankee.

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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  Feb 10, 08, 09:44  #357

Seanus wrote:
Germans lost by 7, not 1

My source is Marcus Cunliffe - The Literature of the United States (URL)

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
Thats all fairly dashing

It's not. It's recorded history. No need for archeological diggs. All in plain view black.. I mean blue on faded white. All it takes is a few years of American studies :) Or you can take shortcuts and read only what's recommended to you.

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
Your definetly not a yankee.

Of course I'm not!

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Grzegorz_
  Feb 10, 08, 09:47  #358

Seanus wrote:
Greg, r u capable of separating Nazis and Germans (przeciêtny)?


Of course I can but If A German isn't a Nazi It doesn't mean I have to like. I don't just like most people here. That's the thing I'm talking about all the time. In Polish-Russian If we forgot about history and some current problems disappeared we could be good friends. With Germans that's a different story.

BTW I can't understand that people here are trying to discuss with a little clown called WB.

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MareGaea
Edited by: MareGaea  Feb 10, 08, 09:49  #359

z_darius wrote:
Less than 100 years later Americans were buying entire European castles and transporting them back to the US brick by brick.


While they were cut off British finances, the US received plenty of help from France, always eager to pull Britain's leg and -as usual- from Holland. Actually the Americans regarded the French and especially the Dutch as their main ally, not only for the money, but also because they regarded the Dutch very highly as the founders of their capital at the time, New York. Even today, having a Dutch "van"-name (like Van Houten etc) grants you nearly an elite-status in the US.

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Wroclaw Boy
Edited by: Moderator  Feb 10, 08, 09:52  #360

London is the financial capital of the WORLD, circa 2008 fok all'ya.

z_dariusz wanna be yankee. Grzergorz wannabee anything but polish, M-G = dik hed.



You've already been asked nicely not to call people names.

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