Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks).

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Sep 9, 11, 16:59 #361
I have a Polish passport and ID, does that give me the right to live in Poland? =p I'm Canadian by the way... Yes it does give you the right. But is your Polish fluent? If not, you're not going to get much work. Do you know anything on how much bartenders make, I need to make sure that going through school and all is worth it. About 12zl per hour in Warsaw.

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Sep 9, 11, 17:00 #362
In Poland, Tipping is a city in China. bad career move, bud.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 9, 11, 17:08 #363
To be fair, automatic tipping for bar staff is rare outside the states and Canada. It's not just the Poles who don't do it.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 9, 11, 21:32 #364
I'm looking at taking bartending courses to become a bartender.. In Europe, such courses are worthless. Do you know anything on how much bartenders make, I need to make sure that going through school and all is worth it. 10zl an hour in Poznan/Krakow/Wroclaw.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 10, 11, 06:12 #365
10zl an hour in Poznan/Krakow/Wroclaw Mr D, plus the money that is not registered and goes straight into the pockets of these low paid workers, some people say its carelessness others say its theft.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 10, 11, 08:39 #366
Mr D, plus the money that is not registered and goes straight into the pockets of these low paid workers, some people say its carelessness others say its theft. Are you saying that Poles are thieves?

EurasianThreads: 4 Posts: 25 Joined: Oct 19, 08 ♂	Sep 10, 11, 11:58 #367
In Poland, Tipping is a city in China. bad career move, bud. just a short term career kinda thing, I like alcohol and partying, seems like the perfect setting for me for the meantime. so Poles don't tip at all or tip less then people in North America? I didn't pay much attention when I went to clubs in Warszawa.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 10, 11, 18:20 #368
Poles don't tip at all or tip less then people in North America? NOBODY tips like North America : ) Well, I can't speak for all of Europe, but as far as I know the European norm is to tip in restaurants (unless the service is bad) but tipping in bars is kind of unheard of in my expereince. It really seems to be an American thing.

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Sep 10, 11, 18:31 #369

It really seems to be an American thing.

Sure because waiters and waitresses do not get a guaranteed salary , without tips they would not survive and service is never included in the US.
I thought it was in Poland until i had breakfast 2 weeks ago at a place in Stare Miasto Krakow called Cherubino , i was surprised but it was written in big letters on their menu SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED.
I always leave tips anyway but i was a surprised, is this legal?( to just depend on tips without a minimum wage?) I thought that in Europe service "has" to be included in cafés and restaurants and it sort of ensures waiters and waitresses get a salary.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 10, 11, 18:31 #370
they do tip in London discos - a friend of mine used to work a couple of days a week in one more or less Polish disco in London and most of his income was from the tips (it was back in 2001)

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Sep 10, 11, 19:46 #371

To be fair, automatic tipping for bar staff is rare outside the states and Canada. It's not just the Poles who don't do it.

Teffle, if you want service you tip. restaurant, bar, cafe bar or hotel, I always tip and so do the most of the people I know. If I go into a local hotel or restaurant in Warsaw for a meeting I know the service I will get is top notch, they know I will tip. I always give 10% on top, unless it is already included. Also if the service is **** I pulled the waiter to one side and told them why I am not tipping today. Furthermore I have been so impressed by some waiting staff that I have given them a business card and invited them in for an interview, lets not forget most people use the Horeca industry as a stop gap before they move onto something more rewarding.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 10, 11, 23:08 #372
Teffle, if you want service you tip. Where do you mean - in Poland?

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Sep 11, 11, 00:44 #373
lwowskakrakow wrote: without tips they would not survive and service is never included in the US. wrong. in most restaurants, parties of 8 or more are charged 18% for service. "gratuity is included" is how it is usually written.

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Sep 11, 11, 01:49 #374

is this legal?( to just depend on tips without a minimum wage?) I thought that in Europe service "has" to be included in cafés and restaurants and it sort of ensures waiters and waitresses get a salary.

What's legal in most of Europe is to use tips to contribute towards their wages. But they must be paid minimum wage regardless of what's left on the table.

The sign saying that service isn't included sounds like a scam to try and convince American tourists that they need to pay - when in fact, you've already paid.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 11, 11, 05:23 #375
Are you saying that Poles are thieves? You obviously haven't been around, your telling me that people who work behind the counter don't steal? Ask people who have a business or rather let people on this forum tell their stories! Stealing in the workplace are the legacies of the Communist era. Many ways to skin a cat Mr D , the 11th commandment holds ..thou shall not get caught.

OWELL	Sep 11, 11, 06:17 #376
To be fair, automatic tipping for bar staff is rare outside the states and Canada when I came to poland first time and asked a polish pal about tipping and his answer was"I am paying my bill thats enough"lol:)

Ghost	Nov 10, 11, 20:07 #377
Bullshit, 750PLN for a teacher, I know teachers that work in a 100 student primary school on the country side and they earn more that twice as much. And people with a salary less than 2000PLN are usually the ones that didn't finish any kind of education except than secondary school.

pantslessThreads: 1 Posts: 177 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Nov 11, 11, 21:38 #378
Ghost: Bullshit, 750PLN for a teacher, I know teachers that work in a 100 student primary school on the country side and they earn more that twice as much. And people with a salary less than 2000PLN are usually the ones that didn't finish any kind of education except than secondary school. Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Let's see if you can figure out why you're a moron.

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Nov 11, 11, 22:07 #379

havent had time to read posts as have been to0 busy working ( trying to keep roof over head) lol! all i do know is that my lodger ( lokator ) is an extremely good carpenter and his monthly salary in poland is 1500 zlotych. he is in england now working as a gardener and earning 300£ a week. you dont have to do too much maths to work it out...ironically his wife works as a cleaner in a hospital and she earns 1200 zlotych. cant believe difference between the salary of someone who has a trade and someone who doesnt. when i asked him why maybe his wife doesnt try to get maybe a shop job, which i thought would be better, he explained she would only earn maybe 900 zlotych...guess average salary would be about right...

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Edited by: peter_olsztyn Nov 11, 11, 22:43 #380
pam: cant believe difference between the salary of someone who has a trade and someone who doesnt. We call that a salary compression ;)

handlujzlotem	Dec 22, 11, 12:21 #381
average salary is circa 3500 pln gross monthly in 2011 - still much too little, taking into consideration that median is even smaller, marketchances.com

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Dec 22, 11, 22:10 #382

OWELL:

when I came to poland first time and asked a polish pal about tipping and his answer was"I am paying my bill thats enough"lol:)

Because it is. Unless it's a luxurious place where it would be mean to not tip. Anyway it's up to you, some people always tip, some never, some only tip if the service is good. In some places I meet with not so good service almost every time, so why should I tip them if they obviously don't give a crap about giving good service? I understand they might just not care, but then I guess they don't expect a tip.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Dec 22, 11, 22:53 #383
ColdSteel: some never I never tip because I don`t frequent premises where tipping is expected. I once worked in a luxurious restaurant and the things I saw there put me off visiting such places.

pamThreads: 22 Posts: 463 Joined: Oct 11, 11 MEMBER ♀	Dec 22, 11, 23:19 #384
pawian: I never tip because I don`t frequent premises where tipping is expected i rarely eat out at restaurants, but i always tip if the service is good as i spent 3 years working as a waitress. i used to live off my tips at the time..lol!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 22, 11, 23:29 #385
pam: i used to live off my tips at the time..lol! i take it you didn't work at Pomeroys in the city. the highest paid waiting staff because noone ever gave tips.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Dec 22, 11, 23:32 #386
I always tip taxi's, barbers and sometimes tip at a restaurants if the food is good or service is. Generally don't like places where "the tip" is written into the bill as a "service charge". But I'm a pompous ass anyway ;)

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Dec 22, 11, 23:49 #387

dtaylor5632:

Generally don't like places where "the tip" is written into the bill as a "service charge". But I'm a pompous ass anyway ;)

9 times out of 10 that goes to the managers not the workers, never pay the service just tip the person serving you.
Tipping is such a minefield I hate it in North America where you have to tip to subsidise the employer or to get service. The only tightwad is the owner who expects others to pay for their employees but thankfully I haven't been for a while. I always tip in restaurants in Europe but never in Bars.

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Dec 23, 11, 00:03 #388

Wroclaw:

i take it you didn't work at Pomeroys in the city.

never actually heard of pomeroys....i certainly didnt earn mega bucks where i worked, but i was classed as a silver service waitress if you know what that means. basically you know where all the cutlery should be, correctly placed, and you serve the food onto the plates for the customers. am dying to ask you a question about restaurants in poland, but know i will be off topic...:(

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 23, 11, 00:09 #389
pam: am dying to ask you a question about restaurants in poland, but know i will be off topic...:( start a new thread then or ask in random chat.

pamThreads: 22 Posts: 463 Joined: Oct 11, 11 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: Moderator Dec 23, 11, 01:20 #390
Wroclaw: start a new thread dont think so,would be too embarrassed to ask this question, which in itself is not embarrassing, but considering i mix with a lot of poles, it would be for me!! feel free to send a PM

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