Which is the best medical college in Poland

Newmember01	Edited by: Moderator Dec 17, 10, 20:40 #1
I'm a medical student and this summer I will make professional exchange with other students. I already chosen the country (Poland) and now I have to choose the town that I want to go to. I'm really hesitating between Warsaw, Wroklaw and Krakow. which one you advise me to choose? If you have other alternative tell me. Thanks

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Dec 17, 10, 21:44 #2
Which country are you from?

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Dec 18, 10, 03:53 #3
Go to Białystok.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Dec 18, 10, 04:32 #4
It all depends on the focus of your study, for instance for cardiology you'd want to go to Silesia ( there's a medical academy and heart diseases centre ) ... Different regions excel in different areas..

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 18, 10, 09:41 #5
Olsztyn has one too. You're in the lake district... great place for the summer.

Newmember01	Dec 18, 10, 10:04 #6
I can't choose any town I want, I have to choose between: - Bialystok - Bydgoszcz - Gdansk - Katowice - Krakow - Lodz - Lublin - Poznan - Szczecin - Warszawa - Wroclaw I want a foreign friendly town with good medical training sessions.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 18, 10, 10:33 #7
Newmember01: I want a foreign friendly town with good medical training sessions. so not Białystok...

Newmember01	Dec 19, 10, 10:40 #8
any way there is no places available for this town. Any other suggestions?

waniThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 9, 11 ♀	Aug 9, 11, 11:20 #9
Merged: medical studies in medical university of warsaw hye guys...i'm from country somewhere in asia. I planned to pursue my studies in medical university of warsaw. Is it a good medical school? how about the lecturer and the practical.. I wonder whether the system in that uni suit my job later in my country.

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Aug 9, 11, 12:43 #10
You should come to pursue your medical studies in Krakow, very renowned Medical Institute with courses in English and the oldest medical school in Poland:Jagiellonian medical school I heard that many foreign students /non Polish attend the college ,maybe some members of PF could you give their feed back about the one in Warsaw + Krakow medical colleges

Sai28BabaThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 17, 11 ♀	Edited by: Sai28Baba Aug 17, 11, 06:47 #11
Hello everyone, I'm coming from usa to study medicine at the Medical University of Lublin. Can anyone tell me about that university :) Thanks.

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Sep 14, 11, 20:06 #12

I know that the one in Krakow is good, like someone mentioned above, and my friend recently started medical school in Poznan but then transferred to one in Warsaw since she has more family/friends there. I'm also considering going to medical school in Poland like her; it's way cheaper than med school in America, you don't have to deal with undergrad bullshit like you do her in the US, and I know plenty of people who have become very successful doctors after going to med school in Poland (my dad being an example!). Alot of people say that it's extremely difficult/near impossible for a foreign trained doctor to get all of the good fellowships in the US (like dermatology and radiology), but if you're in no rush to start working/don't need to, you can wait a year or two and they'll most likely take you if your scores are good enough/you've got past experience with another specialization/internship. Either that, or you can transfer to a US med school during your 5th/6th year and graduate from there, thus putting you in the same position as all of the other Americans. (also, I've looked online and people say it's ridiculously hard to get transferred too.... but we know some friends who managed to do it)

Anyway, I kind of rambled and started talking about something completely different than you asked for, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in anyway. The majority of the schools are pretty good, but some of them are geared more so towards certain specializations so you should always take that into account. When cities are concerned, I always hear awesome things about Krakow.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Sep 14, 11, 20:08 #13
=Newmember01]I'm really hesitating between Warsaw, Wroklaw and Krakow. which one you advise me to choose? Krakow??? Just a random guess...

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Sep 14, 11, 20:23 #14

2010 ranking:

1. Warszawa (Warszawski Uniwersytet Medyczny)
2. Kraków (Collegium Medicum Uniwersytetu Jagiellońskiego)
3. Łódź (Uniwersytet Medyczny w Łodzi)
4. Poznań (Uniwersytet Medyczny im. Karola Marcinkowskiego w Poznaniu)
5. Katowice (Śląski Uniwersytet Medyczny w Katowicach)
6. Gdańsk (Gdański Uniwersytet Medyczny)
7. Wrocław (Akademia Medyczna im. Piastów Śląskich we Wrocławiu)
8. Białystok (Uniwersytet Medyczny w Białymstoku)
9. Lublin (Uniwersytet Medyczny w Lublinie)
10. Szczecin (Pomorska Akademia Medyczna w Szczecinie)

full ranking here

loc_kanikaThreads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Jun 16, 11 ♀	Oct 12, 11, 13:26 #15
Def. the Pomorska Akademia Medyczna check your campus out! http://liveoncampus.com/wire/for/Pomorska-Akademia-Medyczna-w-Szczecin ie-

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Oct 12, 11, 14:32 #16

first off, I am not trolling
I have heard some disturbing information which I wish to share with foreign medical students

I am starting to hear stories that the Polish medical universities have begun to dumb down their English language
courses as attracting foreign students is good business for them

They appear to be more concerned in getting the 9 thousand euros yearly tuition fee than providing
a robust course

as a result I know of one American student whose student loan company would not cover the cost of the
tuition fees as they would not recognise the course

another student from Taiwan had to sit the board exam back home and failed spectacularly having
done rather well in the Polish university

I have spoken to Polish medical students who have confirmed that the tests that the foreign students sit
and the ones that Polish students sit are vastly different, with the tests for Polish students being much harder

I would hate for someone to spend six years at a Polish medical university then fail their board exam back home

of course if you are European you have nothing to worry about or at least at the moment you don't

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Oct 12, 11, 14:38 #17

I am starting to hear stories that the Polish medical universities have begun to dumb down their English language
courses as attracting foreign students is good business for them

Begun? They've been doing it for countless years. I know several lecturers at the medical university in Poznan - and all of them "dumb down" their courses. It's not a big secret - most of the American students simply wouldn't pass if they were expected to study on the same basis as Polish students. One of the lecturers even openly admits that a 5 for an American student is a 3 for a Polish student. They just pay far too much money -

They appear to be more concerned in getting the 9 thousand euros yearly tuition fee than providing
a robust course

9000 euro? It's more than that - last time I checked, it was around 12,500 euro in Poznan.

It's not a secret at all that the Americans in particular have it far easier. I was told one very amusing story about one spoiled bastard actually handing a mobile phone to a lecturer - and she had to speak to his parents, who were upset that he had failed. The same lecturer has also been offered bribes on countless occasions by American students.

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Oct 12, 11, 14:45 #18

9000 euro? It's more than that - last time I checked, it was around 12,500 euro in Poznan.

in fairness it was nine grand for a dentist
I presumed that students who wanted to be doctors would have paid around the same amount
thanks for the correction

the Polish students also complain that the foreign students get the freshest stiffs come dissection time
and that the identification of body parts exam was a complete joke, as the foreigners were
given a far easier test than the Poles

I do not think that this is petty jealousy on behalf of the Polish students

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Oct 12, 11, 14:48 #19

I do not think that this is petty jealousy on behalf of the Polish students

No, it's definitely not. I've seen the behaviour of the American students with my own eyes - rude, obnoxious and totally despicable. They tend to think that Poland owes them a living, and I've seen one jackass (who must have been in his 4th/5th year) being absolutely rude to some shop assistant because he didn't understand what she was saying (and she was asking for change!).

The Asian students on the other hand tend to be far better and respectful - I know several who learnt Polish fluently.

At the same time, we can be thankful that the vast majority of them will clear off back to America to botch things there.

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Edited by: BBman Oct 12, 11, 14:48 #20

I think all of these polish medical universities are scams. I am somewhat familiar with the school in Krakow as one of my cousins studied there (i spent quite a bit of time there while he was studying and i was living in PL). Most of the international students were from either sweden or norway - close to 100% of these students were failures who couldn't get into any medical schools in their home countries so their parents paid for them to go to Poland. When they graduate they go home to work as MDs. Money buys everything.

I wonder if this is the case in western europe too.

I know several lecturers at the medical university in Poznan

I doubt this very much. You are starting to sound like harry with your "i know everyone" posts.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 12, 11, 14:51 #21
I doubt this very much. You are starting to sound like harry with your "i know everyone" posts. Come here and I'll introduce you with pleasure. Open invitation. Then again, you taught Callan in Poland, so it's no surprise you never had the pleasure of mixing with more...elite circles.

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Oct 12, 11, 14:55 #22

Most of the international students were from either sweden or norway - close to 100% of these students were failures who couldn't get into any medical schools in their home countries

I trained sports with some Norwegan medical students, utterly lovely people although they did tend to drink far too much and they were completely open about the fact that they had messed up their college exams and had no choice but to study abroad

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Oct 12, 11, 20:35 #23

What do you mean by "Americans"? Students of the English language program? The English language program in Poznan has students from numerous countries, I think Canadians are currently the largest group. In addition, there are students from the USA, UK, Ireland, India, Germany, Greece, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Ghana, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Israel, UAE, and Taiwan...those are just off the top of my head! Many of the students from North America are of Polish descent, so language is not a big issue.

There are rude and disrespectful students, but I think they can be found in every discipline in every university, not just English language medical programs in Poland. Amongst the medical students, you will find some who spend too much time partying, and some who never do anything but study. There are also English language programs in dentistry, pharmacy, and physiotherapy.

Remember, not all students in the English program are American!

Incidentally, if you see an English speaker in a shop or restaurant, how can you be certain they are a medical student, not a student from Mickiewicz or even just a kid traveling?

I am not defending the English language programs or rude visitors to other countries. I just want to point out some generalizations are too broad.

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Oct 13, 11, 00:57 #24

Treiskaideka:

What do you mean by "Americans"? Students of the English language program? The English language program in Poznan has students from numerous countries, I think Canadians are currently the largest group. In addition, there are students from the USA, UK, Ireland, India, Germany, Greece, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Ghana, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Israel, UAE, and Taiwan...those are just off the top of my head! Many of the students from North America are of Polish descent, so language is not a big issue.

I mean the ones who talk, behave and generally are American. As for language, barely any of them can string a sentence together in Polish. And yes, I've spent quite a bit of time hanging out in their dorms, so I know a thing or two about them - although I always hung out with the Asians.

Treiskaideka:

There are rude and disrespectful students, but I think they can be found in every discipline in every university, not just English language medical programs in Poland. Amongst the medical students, you will find some who spend too much time partying, and some who never do anything but study. There are also English language programs in dentistry, pharmacy, and physiotherapy.

All of those programs are known for passing Americans without troubling them in Poznan.

Treiskaideka:

Incidentally, if you see an English speaker in a shop or restaurant, how can you be certain they are a medical student, not a student from Mickiewicz or even just a kid traveling?

If you're from Poznan, I'm sure you know the BP garage near the university, near Rondo Przybylskiego. When you see a group of drunken ******** in there, speaking loudly in English with a deep South accent, it's a certainty that they are in fact American and studying at the university.

Treiskaideka

Oct 13, 11, 20:42 #25

Delphiandomine,

it seems you met one or a few English medium students at some point who were not representative of the norm. I'm sorry you chose to judge your opinion of the entire program (and possibly an entire country of 300 million plus residents) on them. Incidentally, the Asian students you met seem to also not be the norm (unless you are also Asian?) being as their norm is to mostly keep within their own community.

As to whether or not the program is easier - Polish medical education is still done in a very backward, outdated fashion. The focus is on small details, as opposed to the whole picture. Organ systems as a whole are not taught - rather each is covered separately in different faculties and at different times. Problem based learning has yet to be implemented. Proper patient care and respect is also not taught. So being as the school sells itself as providing an education EQUAL to that found in an American Medical University, perhaps its good that they don't drill the students ad nauseum on their minute details? Particularly since the licensure exams in both Canada and the United States focus on the big picture (as well as medical ethics and proper patient relations). That said, the vast majority of English medium students do manage to become employed as physicians, so clearly it can't be that bad.

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Oct 13, 11, 20:49 #26

It is the case of mediorce offsprings securing rights which I have described many times.In fact these people are so twisted that they may claim that a doctor who passes tests is worse because he is competitive and competitiveness is not good for the medical proffession.They also claim that dumber doctors are better because they don't get easily bored by repetition and that smart ones are unfit for the job.It is reversed logic again and again appearing.Basically it is the power of the offspring parents which decides the outcome.

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