Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw

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Edited by: trener zolwia Sep 1, 10, 19:00 #61

Matt32:

Its up to you really.

Right.

Midas:

Chill out man.

Right.

I find the overriding tone of this thread offensive. It seems the OP expects racism from whites. Never mind that the overwhelming response here is that he should not have any problem in P-Land.

Going in with such an expectation, such a chip on one's shoulder, and the associated hypersensitivity, it can be virtually guaranteed that he will find a problem, no matter how trivial, that can then be used as further "evidence" of white racism.

Further, some possible scenarios mentioned here are in fact not "racism" at all but merely PC hypersensitivity on display. Again, if one goes in looking for something they're bound to find it.

All of this only serves to play into the dishonest narrative of the black and black-apologist Libs who forever see white racists behind every tree. While forgetting that white teachers face even more racial problems, real threats and very real violence in the classroom and streets of any black area of every major US city from racist blacks, without having to go looking for it. But this doesn't fit the black/ Lib one-sided scolding narrative about race...

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 19:02 #62

vetala:

This is the second or third time I see you rant about "those evil Poles!"

really?

trener zolwia:

I find the overriding tone of this thread offensive. It seems the OP expects racism from whites. Never mind that the overwhelming response here is that he should not have any problem in P-Land.

Przeczytaj jeszcze raz całą dyskusję bo pleciesz bzdury (Read tthe whole thread again please, befor writing another bollox, ok?)

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Edited by: vetala Sep 1, 10, 19:28 #63

trener zolwia:

find the overriding tone of this thread offensive. It seems the OP expects racism from whites.

I' would've also been cautious if I wanted to move to a country where I would be the first white person most people there have met. it's natural to ask about these matters.

zetigrek:

really?

Yeah, I think i've seen them in a thread where someone asked about similarities between Polish and Hungarian languages. He said that the only thing Poles and Hungarians have in common is being evil, murderous antisemites. But his comment was deleted soon after, so i can't confirm if it was really him. But the overall tone was the same, the comment was just as trollish and offtopic and i recognize his name. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

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Sep 1, 10, 19:40 #64

vetala:

I' would've also been cautious if I wanted to move to a country where I would be the first white person most people there have met. it's natural to ask about these matters.

Sure. But he wasn't asking about racial attitudes in general. Clearly he had gotten some warning about Poland being racist against blacks and even after receiving reassurance here that is not the case he still seemed to hold those unfounded concerns.
Again, judging by the responses he has received, this reputation is unearned and unwarranted.
It doesn't matter that this time it concerns Poland. This is the dishonest, one-sided racial narrative that has been permitted to spread. It's the same in the US where the truth is that black racism is far more widespread and apparent than the remaining morsels of white racism. As a white here in any black urban area you'd have true cause for concern. But this truth gets lost in the repeating of the 'blacks are always the racial victims' lie.
I confront it whenever I see it.

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Sep 1, 10, 19:43 #65

trener zolwia:

Clearly he had gotten some warning about Poland being racist against blacks and even after receiving reassurance here that is not the case he still seemed to hold those unfounded concerns.

He also got an insult from Sokrates, apparently. And everyone agrees that he should carry a peper spray. And it's not like we never hear of black people being harrassed in Poland, so his concerns are not all that unfounded.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,529 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 19:50 #66
vetala: He also got an insult from Sokrates, apparently. It's in the random thread. I think on page 53 or earlier. >^..^< M-G (tiens)

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Edited by: trener zolwia Sep 1, 10, 19:51 #67

vetala:

everyone agrees that he should carry a peper spray. And it's not like we never hear of black people being harrassed in Poland, so his concerns are not all that unfounded.

I've seen the same advice given to non-black travelers in Poland. Any potential problem seems to be more about how one carries themselves and into what areas they go more than it is about their race.
Truth us, blacks in Poland are rare and as such he will be seen more as exotic than anything else, as some here have already stated. And as such he's likely to be greeted more as a celebrity. As a well-spoken, well-dressed professional it is more than likely he won't have any problem at all.
To continue talking about it beyond this is to needlessly stir further racial fear and baseless voodoo and only serves to further the ugly Lib/black racial agenda.

vetala:

He also got an insult from Sokrates

One posted rant from one internet troll hardly counters all this reality and the 30 people who said he won't have any problem.

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Sep 1, 10, 20:00 #68

Daniel

There will be no problems, maybe people will stare at you, but Poles defenitly like looking into sb eys, it is not rude or agrresive. Ofc You will be other than others, however sometimes is a good thing.

2) pepeer gas ??/ only if you like to back home at night and you are going to live in bad " dzielnica"

3) don`t provoke Poles

- "USA is better Poland sucks"
- " I love your polish girls, they are so good in bed"
- " Poles are racists"
don`t say it never ever!!!

4) Don`t mention that Poland or Poles has some disadventages...

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 1, 10, 20:01 #69

trener zolwia:

black racism is far more widespread and apparent than the remaining morsels of white racism

That may very well be, but how long has white racism towards blacks been around? And how long are black ppl emancipated in the US? If the black ppl have to catch up with the whiteys in getting even on racism, we can expect some 250 years of black racism.

Edit: and besides, violent acts of racism towards black ppl are not a thing from the distant past: remember Jasper, Texas, 1998? Or the events in Mississippi in 1964? All not that long ago. If there is any racist on this forum, I would definitively advise him or her to watch "Mississippi Burning" by Allan Parker. Great film about what happens when racism gets out of hand. Also the events in Jasper, TX have been turned into a movie.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

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Sep 1, 10, 20:08 #70

Trener zolwia makes a solid point.

I wouldn't go as far as to call the threadstarter a racist, but he is hypersensitive - no doubt about that. Hence the sarcasm in my previous post.

That may very well be, but how long has white racism towards blacks been around? And how long are black ppl emancipated in the US? If the black ppl have to catch up with the whiteys in getting even on racism, we can expect some 250 years of black racism.

Lovely thinking. I assume that, being Jewish, I can go around killing Germans for as long as live then, since I also have "a lot of catching up to do"?

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Edited by: trener zolwia Sep 1, 10, 20:12 #71

MareGaea:

That may very well be, but how long has white racism towards blacks been around? And how long are black ppl emancipated in the US?

When do we start living in reality, in the present, rather than the long ago past?

MareGaea:

If the black ppl have to catch up with the whiteys in getting even on racism, we can expect some 250 years of black racism.

That's certainly a twisted interpretation of MLK's dream of equality and ending racism in all forms. But nonetheless it seems to be just what some folks have in mind as they cling to their historical bitterness, using it as an excuse for their own prejudices today. Ugly stuff.

Midas:

Lovely thinking. I assume that, being Jewish, I can go around killing Germans for as long as live then, since I also have "a lot of catching up to do"?

Exactly.
I didn't own any slaves; I'm tired of hearing about it.

MareGaea:

I would definitively advise him or her to watch "Mississippi Burning" by Allan Parker. Great film about what happens when racism gets out of hand.

More stirring racial ghosts and fears...

How about we also show movies of what will happen to any white who has the misfortune of venturing into any black urban area today?...

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 20:17 #72

vetala:

Yeah, I think i've seen them in a thread where someone asked about similarities between Polish and Hungarian languages. He said that the only thing Poles and Hungarians have in common is being evil, murderous antisemites. But his comment was deleted soon after, so i can't confirm if it was really him. But the overall tone was the same, the comment was just as trollish and offtopic and i recognize his name. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

so why he learns polish? that's weird... He is German himself so it seems he is a hyprocrite.

Midas:

but he is hypersensitive - no doubt about that.

Ok, oversensitiveness, an example (thanks to vetala who send me that vid):

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 1, 10, 20:21 #73

Midas:

Lovely thinking. I assume that, being Jewish, I can go around killing Germans for as long as live then, since I also have "a lot of catching up to do"?

I am of Jewish descent too. Both of my grandparents' families got killed completely during the war. So. I was being sarcastic with that remark; too bad you didn't see that. I despise racism in any form or any shape by whatever group commits it.

trener zolwia:

More stirring racial ghosts and fears...

The events actually happened. Do you deny they actually happened?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers_murders

trener zolwia:

How about we also show movies of what will happen to any white who has the misfortune of venturing into any black urban area today?...

I actually did so, twice. Once in the black area of Mnpls and one time in the one of Detroit. Nothing happened.

But anyway, racism should not be tolerated by anybody, not now, not ever. And it doesn't matter who commits it.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

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Sep 1, 10, 20:26 #74

trener zolwia:

As a well-spoken, well-dressed professional it is more than likely he won't have any problem at all.

bollox. The vid I send you say something different.

MareGaea:

If there is any racist on this forum, I would definitively advise him or her to watch "Mississippi Burning" by Allan Parker. Great film about what happens when racism gets out of hand. Also the events in Jasper, TX have been turned into a movie.

As for me I advise to watch a doc Blue-eyed

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Sep 1, 10, 20:35 #75

MareGaea:

Do you deny they actually happened?

Did I say that? No.

MareGaea:

I despise racism in any form or any shape by whatever group commits it.

MareGaea:

racism should not be tolerated by anybody, not now, not ever. And it doesn't matter who commits it.

I wish I believed you. Many folks today seem to see one color's racism as somehow worse than another's. Ever witch hunting for any trace of the one while granting even blatant examples of the other a pass. We see this despicable double standard displayed all the time over here.

MareGaea:

I actually did so, twice. ... Nothing happened.

Two instances. Hardly a study.

zetigrek:

vid

Little black kids prefering white dolls is hardly proof of white societal racism. If anything, it proves that white kids who also prefer white dolls are not racist.

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Sep 1, 10, 20:39 #76
I think that OP is just being careful and wants to get a feeling, but the truth is that the only valid points are made by people who live in Poland, so.....Zetigrek and Wroclaw, who actually lives in Wroclaw are people who are able to give a good feedback to the OP.

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Edited by: Moderator Sep 1, 10, 20:42 #77

trener zolwia:

Little black kids prefering white dolls is hardly proof of white societal racism. If anything, it proves that white kids who also prefer white dolls are not racist.

You honestly think that a little child would suddenly come up with an idea that a black person is automatically worse than a white person, all on their own? Without anyone 'helping' them, even not counciously? I 'm pretty sure if this study was done in an african country, the kids would pick black dolls over white ones which would be seen as diffeent and abnormal just as black people are seen in white societies.

This thread is going off topic! The OP wanted advice about living in Wrocław.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,710 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 20:44 #78
trener zolwia: Little black kids prefering white dolls is hardly proof of white societal racism. If anything, it proves that white kids who also prefer white dolls are not racist. No it proves that American culture suggest that being black means being worse. Please see above

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trener zolwia I will adress your comment in zetigrek's thread.

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CzarDaniel: Hello everyone! hi daniel, have a great time in Poland. i hope youll like it here. come openminded. yesterday i found out that my mothers cousin has two half-black kids. if there are blacks in my family im partly black as well. simple mathematics (; so, leave the worries, welcome in da hood, bro and happy b-day, dawgh (;

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Sep 1, 10, 21:36 #82

trener zolwia:

Clearly he had gotten some warning about Poland being racist against blacks and even after receiving reassurance here that is not the case he still seemed to hold those unfounded concerns.

Poland is a very racist country make no mistake and no one has told him otherwise. I dont think youve read the thread properly.

I saw a Polish local news paper when i first arrived, with a cartoon of a black baby and a white guy with his son on a train, the caption read "dad whats that monkey doing in our cabin". I really regret not keeping that piece and scanning it in.

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 21:42 #83

Wroclaw Boy:

I saw a Polish local news paper when i first arrived, with a cartoon of a black baby and a white guy with his son on a train, the caption read "dad whats that monkey doing in our cabin". I really regret not keeping that piece and scanning it in.

I think it was one of the political sarcastic cartoons and you did not get the joke. This cartoon was probably anti racism... what would be even more ironic that you did not get it.

May I ask what news paper was it? Maybe I'll be able to find it?

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Sep 1, 10, 21:44 #84

zetigrek:

I think it was one of the political sarcastic cartoon and you did not get the joke. This cartoon was probably anti racism...

I was going to add Poles will deny this, what could possibly be funny about that? It was read by a Polish person and she didnt find it amusing at all but then again she had lived in the UK. I'm not bashing Poland but lets not fool ourselves here.

zetigrek:

May I ask what news paper was it? Maybe I'll be able to find it?

I'm afraid i couldnt tell you, it was just something that my wife pointed out and drew my attention, i saw the picture and she translated the wording with disgust. We were discussing it recently.

zetigrek:

what would be even more ironic that you did not get it.

You are aware that microsoft PL fairly recently changed a black man to a white for their Polish advertising.

pgtxThreads: 48 Posts: 6,268 Joined: Feb 14, 09 ♀ [Moderator]	Edited by: pgtx Sep 1, 10, 21:47 #85
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trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Edited by: trener zolwia Sep 1, 10, 21:51 #86
zetigrek: I think it was one of the political sarcastic cartoons and you did not get the joke. This cartoon was probably anti racism I suspect this was likely the case.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 1, 10, 21:59 #87
trener zolwia: I suspect this was likely the case. I suspect sadly that many Poles laughed whole heartedly at the intended racism.

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 22:02 #88

Wroclaw Boy:

I was going to add Poles will deny this, what could possibly be funny about that?

You are a foreigner. Probably it was a political comment and that cartoon was set in some context not clear for you as a person who was not up to date with current affairs. Simple?
I know I have right because political cartoons are pretty often hard to understand if you are not familliar with politics amd have very specific sense of humor. Besides you (foreigners) don't understand polish sarcasm...

I've just found one which is really funny (but it's quite obsene)

Wroclaw Boy:

You are aware that microsoft PL fairly recently changed a black man to a white for their Polish advertising.

Yes and there was a big scandal when it came into light so they're rechanged it.

PS
Is your wife polish?

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,346 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 22:04 #89
zetigrek: Probably it was a political comment and that cartoon was set in some context not clear for you as a person who was not up to date with current affairs. Simple? It wasn't him, it was his wife who showed him it in her disgust.

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 1, 10, 22:08 #90

Wroclaw Boy:

I suspect sadly that many Poles laughed whole heartedly at the intended racism.

Tell me what can be funny about calling black baby a monkey? I don't find it funny even if I have been a racist it would not make me laugh... I reallu doubt that you can be right.
What kind of newspaper was it? A free or bought paper? And what area local newspaper?

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