Job opportunities with Hungarian-Swedish-English languages in Poland?

Lyzko

Sep 11, 11, 20:21 #31

Quick question for kb2011. Do you speak/know Swedish as well as you apparently know English?

Jag bodde en sommar i Goteborg, Sverige och mina svenskkundskaper var redan naagot bra, men jag fand maanga tonaarige, som ville hellere tala engelska an svenska med utlanningar! Det var ju frustrerande.

I spent (lived) for a summer in Gothenberg Sweden and my knowledge of Swedish was already quite good, but I found many teens who'd rather speak English with foreigners than Swedish. It was really frustrating.

Probably it's the same in many countries, but I though that at least business people would have spoken better English than was the case. In Hungary and in Poland, on the other hand, the quality of English was like peaks and valleys, ranging from superior to awful. But we already talked about that before-:))

kb2011Threads: 1 Posts: 16 Joined: Aug 30, 11 ♀	Sep 11, 11, 21:46 #32
I speak Swedish better than English.

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 14:50 #33

Hmmm, yes I thought as much-:))

Interesting that in almost every country (including of course Poland, Sweden and Hungary!), only a native speaker teaches the national language of that particular country, e.g. Polish, Swedish or Hungarian, as we both agree is only fitting and proper. On the other hand, practically any lamo off the street with a degree from a local university can teach English in prmary schools, although they are scarcely native to the language. While Spanish, French or Chinese are far more universal languages than Polish or certainly Swedish, why such a common, that is, low, standard for English?? I believe that native US or Canadian-born and educated teachers should be the ones permitted to teach the English language in European schools. This is bureaucratically not feasible, I realize, but it's definitely somethiing to aim for, don't you think??

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 15:39 #34

On a related thread, I know for a fact that the requirements for teaching a foreign language here in the United States, i.e. a language other than English, are native or bilingual fluency in the language of instruction. For instance, I could teach either English or German, since I can prove native to bilingual ability in both languages, but I could NEVER teach Swedish or Polish as I'm not a native speaker of either language (..no matter how fluently I know or think I know them)-:)

Sort of a double standard here.

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Sep 12, 11, 15:45 #35

This is what English language as 'interface' language has developed into..

Native speakers of English don't teach in Hungarian schools because of the the low salary level. They
usually teach in language schools or private schools and some of them might not even have a degree in English.
The most extreme case I once heard was that someone made a living of being British (!) living in Hungary socializing
with expats, connecting people etc.

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 15:56 #36

...which means in less politically 'correct' terms that English has morphed into a global mishmash, neither Anglo, nor Saxon, nor Celt any longer, but Poglish, Hunglish, svengelska, Japlish etc... into any kind of '-ish' other than ENG-lish LOL

As a younger person than myself, how d'you honestly feel about the 'Alzheimerazation' or schleroticizing of a once proud and beautiful tongue into a pale shadow of its former self, a clone copy robbed of the husk and kernel of the original?!

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 16:49 #37

To amend my remarks only slightly, I can appreciate degrees of language "change", such as Swedish from around 1945-1960 vs. the adaptation of once unheard of slang into the everyday language ('de'/'dem' pronounced as 'dom' and sometimes even written so in youth journals, or dropping of supine forms of most verbs, e.g. 'fick' rather than 'fingo' etc...) as well as idioms from one generation to another.

Then again, there's change and then there's change....for the better or for the worse. Perhaps in fifty years, we'll see 'gonna', 'wanna' and 'shoulda' adopted into as august a tome as the OED. But that's not likely to come anytime soon, hopefully not within my lifetime--:))

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Sep 12, 11, 17:01 #38

'gonna', 'wanna' and 'shoulda'

They are just contractions Lysko, so what if they make it into the OED? You cannot deny that English has be devolving in complexity since Elizabethan times, and Indo-European languages in general have been becoming less and less complicated for the last 2500 years. It just seems to be the way of the world. As societies become more populous the language becomes debased.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Sep 12, 11, 17:03 #39
Des Essientes You cannot deny that English has be devolving in complexity since Elizabethan times .... As societies become more populous the language becomes debased. How nice of you to provide such a good example of your point.

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 17:06 #40

For once, Des Essientes, I agree with you a thousand percent, unfortunately-:))

Perhaps only exposure while still in grade school to prior models of excellence can reverse this trend slightly. Not that I'm suggesting returning to the puff 'n powder wig of the XVII century or dusting off our 'thees' and 'thous', but something's got to be done or we'll all turn into a bunch of linguistic morons, relegated to grunts and groans.

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Sep 12, 11, 17:13 #41

Lysko, it is just the way of the world. There was once an evolutionary theory of language that claimed that languages like organisms grow in complexity as the generations pass, but William "Oriental" Jones discovered that Sanskrit was an Indo-European language and that it was more complex than either Latin or Greek and the awful truth slowly dawned that people from simpler more ancient societies have more complex languages. It makes sense in a way that human intelligence would be directed into linguistic complexity when there was less societal distraction.

Lyzko	Sep 12, 11, 17:17 #42
How then would you explain the fact that there remain a number of people who still are focused on their language, not from the viewpoint of complexification, but simply that they appreciate the texture and richness available in the English language? The battle hasn't been lost, actually, the fight hasn't even begun!

Lyzko

Sep 12, 11, 17:24 #43

I don't think anybody's suggesting that English tenses, anymore than correctness itself, are going the way of the dinosaur! I do think however that linguistic mutations and language decline are two very separate issues which must be kept far apart.

Spelling for example. Because English has a nightmarishly chaotic orthography hardly indicates intellectual complexity to any or greater degree than German sentence length and morphology point to Germans as smarter than most of the rest of us!! LOL

Jones did indeed prove the Sanskrit model. Still, the more complicated a language surely doesn't ipso facto suggest the intelligence of all its speakers.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 12, 11, 17:26 #44
The battle hasn't been lost In the wider society it surely has been lost, Lysko. Take the example of newspapers all of which has dumbed their language down as the decades have passed. Now we inhabit a culture wherein images are (re)produced to describe it, rather than words, and in an image based culture the debasement of language will proceed unabated.

Lyzko	Sep 12, 11, 17:29 #45
As I've maintained on PF, and perhaps even to excess, this dumbing down is not an entirely progressive trend. As a college professor, I continue to be impressed by how many of my students have started, though my gentle urging, to appreciate the older classic movies, including TV shows, such as Jack Paar and others, when language WAS very much at a premium and intellect was not a four-letter word!

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Edited by: Ziemowit Sep 12, 11, 20:39 #46

The question of grammatical simplification of languages of which the English language is possibly a perfect example is fascinating. What is that particular moment that pushes an Indoeuropean language to losing its cases and at the same time making it develop definite and indefinite articles which had not existed in it before. A phenomenon which happened in the transition from classical to popular Latin, and one that occured in English as well. Could it ever happen to Polish? I doubt it, but - you know - you never say never.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 12, 11, 20:42 #47
the topic is wandering

kb2011Threads: 1 Posts: 16 Joined: Aug 30, 11 ♀	Sep 12, 11, 22:00 #48
Yes. Dear All, let's return to the topic or start a new thread.

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Sep 13, 11, 09:40 #49

Indeed, but it's always a pity to leave the topic once it has developed another interesting dimension.

Not that teaching Hungarian or Swedish isn't an interesting topic in itself. It is, and as for Hungarian, the place I can seriously think of as a place for teaching Hungarian is the Hungarian Institute (Instytut Węgierski) in Warsaw in Marszałkowska Street. Anyway, it used to be there once, but it may have been moved to a more modest location, in a similar way as the French Institute was.

Another source of addresses is Gazeta Wyborcza (gazeta.pl) where language schools advertise, particularly on Monday in the paper version.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Sep 13, 11, 10:47 #50
Anyway, it used to be there once, but it may have been moved to a more modest location It has indeed. The lease was up so it moved on. In its place is now a Brazilian microbrewery. Progress, supposedly.

kb2011Threads: 1 Posts: 16 Joined: Aug 30, 11 ♀	Sep 13, 11, 14:34 #51
Thanks, I'll check.

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Edited by: cinek Sep 13, 11, 15:44 #52

On the other hand, practically any lamo off the street with a degree from a local university can teach English in prmary schools, although they are scarcely native to the language.

I believe that native US or Canadian-born and educated teachers should be the ones permitted to teach the English language in European schools. This is bureaucratically not feasible

Really? So why don't you give KB2011 advice to go and teach in a primary school e.g. in Bydgoszcz? Or maybe you could come here yourself? Small town kids welcome you.

Cinek

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Sep 13, 11, 15:50 #53
The most extreme case I once heard was that someone made a living of being British (!) living in Hungary socializingwith expats, connecting people etc. tell me that it was not a straight male and my orientation of the world will still be in tact.

Lyzko	Sep 13, 11, 17:03 #54
Cinek, were I twenty-something once again, I'd leave NY in a heartbeat. Family obligations though would make it hard to square upping and moving to Poland, pulling up stakes, as it were, and abandoning my brood simply to take a part-time stint for a pitance in some backwater province!

rekrolThreads: 2 Posts: 2 Joined: Feb 11, 11 ♂	Oct 20, 11, 20:59 #55
Hi, Send me a CV in English and Hungarian, because we are looking for someone for the new Krakow office! Ide jöhet a cucc: rekrol@gmail.com

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Nov 16, 11, 11:35 #56

Opportunities of getting a job in Poland are similar to any other countries.
You are taking a good mood, and a positive attitude, plus, of course you neeed to have targets: three per day?
You can have a list of companies you want to work for: you go and ask for a job.
I can almost assure you foreigners are welcome in Poland.
One more thing : it's better to work in a place yuo want to work, not in a place where poeple want you to...
Just: it 's better to look for job you want.
If you want the job, you'll get it.

emzed	Nov 16, 11, 13:43 #57
go to pl.capgemini.com/job_offers/ jobs in many languages.

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