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jeetanThreads: 1
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Joined: Feb 17, 10 ♀ 		 Feb 17, 10, 23:49    #1
Hi please can anybody advise me about any Medical College or University in Warsaw City or in the Poland anywhere?

Thanks
jeetanThreads: 1
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Joined: Feb 17, 10 ♀ 		 Feb 18, 10, 00:40    #2
try google or yahoo search
webcrawlerThreads: 4
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Joined: Feb 17, 10 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 00:50    #3
jeetan:
try google or yahoo search

this is the obvious answer one can give for my query but I need to know the good college/university with good reputation.
PolanglikThreads: 40
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Joined: May 16, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 02:06    #4
Check out the 'Jagellonian University Medical College, Faculty of Medicine'

http://www.medschool.cm-uj.krakow.pl/

This University has a very good reputation.
dtaylor5632Threads: 49
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Joined: May 2, 09  Pictures: 3 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 02:10    #5
Polanglik:
This University has a very good reputation.

Foreign students get to use the new multi-million pound medical complex, while the Polish get shoved in the crappy building at the back. That place is a rip off like. Though great for foreign students :)
beelzebubThreads: -
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Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: beelzebub  Feb 18, 10, 02:13    #6
Americans are charged stupidly high prices to attend there. Add that to the fact that your education will be looked down upon in the US compared to Western schools and that's reason enough not to waste your money. It is a dog eat dog world in medicine and I would not handicap myself with a degree from a second tier system. Lot's of people did that in the Caribbean and learned that they couldn't get residencies as well because of this.

And before you patriots get your blood pressure up there are some great doctors in Poland...and the medical system in the US is fr from perfect but once again I am pointing out a clear fact...A Polish medical education will NOT hold the same weight as a Western education would. No matter how much that may offend you it's just reality.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 03:37    #7
beelzebub:
A Polish medical education will NOT hold the same weight as a Western education would.

Polish physicians and nurses can easily find employment in Western Europe and in Scandinavian countries.

In fact many work abroad and they enjoy very good reputation.
beelzebubThreads: -
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Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 03:44    #8
You missed the point Mr. Canadian Polak, (why is it always the Poles who live abroad making the most noise?)

I said Americans who get a degree in Poland are not going to be as respected or get better jobs.

Also sure some Poles are being hired in areas of shortage just like Filipinos have been for years. It's not because they are super great it's because they are cheaper labor. Sorry to burst your bubble.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 04:09    #9
beelzebub:
why is it always the Poles who live abroad making the most noise?

Because some of us know the situation in and outside Poland.
beelzebub:
I said Americans who get a degree in Poland are not going to be as respected or get better jobs.

Not what I see in the US and Canada.
beelzebub:
It's not because they are super great it's because they are cheaper labor.

Again, not my experience. My US jobs paid in the amounts equal to, or in excess of what my American colleagues in similar positions made.
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Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: beelzebub  Feb 18, 10, 04:37    #10
Your word against mine then. I am not shocked I am being disagreed with by a Pole(and an expat Pole no less who are usually the mouthiest). I think its hard wired into your genes to argue even if you agree.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 05:07    #11
beelzebub:
and an expat Pole no less who are usually the mouthiest

You're not exactly a shy type yourself.
Projection?
beelzebubThreads: -
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z_darius

Have you seen me once talk about national pride? I can assure you I am not prone to the national ego complex your half bretheren are.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 05:42    #13
beelzebub:
Have you seen me once talk about national pride?

I haven't told you much about Polish national pride. I only wrote that America has a fair share of fools and so I do not consider American educational system superior to any other.

Sure, there are plenty of really good schools in the US, but there are even more really crappy ones that are schools only by name. Not much learning going on in those. If you never heard about that then you must have left the US of A a very, very long time ago.

In my experience, people in the US tend to be judged on an individual basis, not on the basis of geography. Hence the US is the greatest importer of foreign skills and intellectuals and Poles are included among those.

Time flies and you should stop using old maid's tales as your source for what you consider "knowledge of Poles and Poland". Look, listen and learn. Tell me about Poles and Poland once you can do so in Polish. Without that your are still looking at all that from a distance and without understanding of most of what you see and hear.

beelzebub:
I can assure you I am not prone to the national ego complex your half bretheren are.

But you do. Just re-read your posts.
PolanglikThreads: 40
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Joined: May 16, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 10:00    #14
Having read through the posts, I have to mostly agree with z_darius :o)

beelzebub:
Americans are charged stupidly high prices to attend there. Add that to the fact that your education will be looked down upon in the US compared to Western schools and that's reason enough not to waste your money

I doubt if anyone would look down on a Medical Qualification from such a prestigious University as Jagellonian.

beelzebub:
I would not handicap myself with a degree from a second tier system. Lot's of people did that in the Caribbean and learned that they couldn't get residencies as well because of this

I, and many others, would not call Jagellonian Univ a second tier system, and I don't think it's fair to make a comparison between getting a medical degree from Mickey Mouse Caribbean Medical Schools/Colleges and the world renowned Jagellonian Univ.

beelzebub:
A Polish medical education will NOT hold the same weight as a Western education would.

In general this may be the case, but when you talk about a medical education from Jagellonian then it's a different matter; hoever, z_darius correctly pointed out, there are many excellent Polish doctors/dentists etc working in Poland and also abroad and they are not employed simply because of low wages.

beelzebub:
Americans who get a degree in Poland are not going to be as respected or get better jobs.

I would have to disagree with you on that; I have friends and family, some of whom obtained their training in Poland, that are in the medical profession working in England, US & Canada who would certainly disagree with you as well.

z_darius:
the US is the greatest importer of foreign skills and intellectuals and Poles are included among those.

Very true, and not just in the medical field. It's a known fact that Poland produces excellent IT professionals and many of these have been head-hunted by foreign companies in the past; they have been head-hunted for their expertise and not for low wages :o)
MrBubblesThreads: 13
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Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 18, 10, 10:02    #15
beelzebub:
I said Americans who get a degree in Poland are not going to be as respected or get better jobs

True. The teaching infratructure here is nowhere near as developed in the UK. I'd doubt the students in Poland get as much benefit from their time at uni.
ExiledThreads: 5
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Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: Exiled  Feb 18, 10, 12:02    #16
In medicine US graduates have clear advantage.The graduates from Carribean schools etc have to compete against more competent foreign medicine graduates for the same positions.Not an easy task.(for example try to get better grades than the higher 5% in IQ ladder of the Chinese population and you will understand what I mean.
But the Americans take some measures to handicap foreigner graduates otherwise foreigners would ridicule the american system getting the highest grades of all.

Also worldwide doctors in high positions are not particularly smart and there are some theories developed that smart doctors lose interest for the job and thus become less competent.What is absurd totally prevails in medicine.No justice.Everything depends on connections.
For example in Europe you can easily bribe and get a degree in Romania(despite being absolutely mediocre as student,you don't need to read any page at all) and then become even a profesor if your father has the right connections and other people write your researches.
There is no doubt that these people will be hung in time just waiting for the right moment to accelerate collapse.
jwojcieThreads: 3
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Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jwojcie  Feb 18, 10, 12:17    #17
Mister beelzebub and MrBubbles are talking BS. I understand that examples of fine polish physicians working in Poland wouldn't be enough, so two fine abroad examples:
Maria Siemionow, renowned Polish surgeon, she made first face transplant in USA. She finished Poznan Medical Academy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Siemionow

Adam Szeląg, gynaecologist, working in Sweden, he finished Medical Academy in Lodz
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,7557533,Polski_ginekolo g_najlepszym_lekarzem_w_Szwecji.html

What this two examples proves? probably not much, except that it is possible to get valuable education in Polish universities. It mostly depends on individual willingness though.

PS. Medical Academy in my city :-) :
http://www.am.wroc.pl/en/
TheDaleThreads: 1
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Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: TheDale  Feb 18, 10, 13:13    #18
A Polish medical education will NOT hold the same weight as a Western education would. No matter how much that may offend you it's just reality.

Not true. Sorry. Did you go to medical school there? Are you struggling to get a job back in the USA? Just saying.

Jeetan- As to your original question about the medical schools. There are many that have english programs. It all depends on what type of student you are. The culture is different here within the education system, so to some that may be a negative and others a positive.
Think about how well you would be able to adjust to a Polish lifestyle. Are you 21? The drinking age in Poland is 18 and I have seen students arrive, having lived w/ parents and now finally 6000 miles away and legal to drink, and they have trouble focusing. It's all depending on your character, ambition and point of view.
I think in many ways the polish school system is more focused and teachers expect a lot more. On the other hand some of the teachers don't adjust well to the American students and of course vice versa. Dig around online. Facebook even has many groups for the American medical studies. You'll get a lot of different responses that you hopefully can pile into a decision.
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 19, 10, 11:10    #19
jeetan:
Medical College

I think now all (or at least most) of medical academies in Poland are running studies for foreigners in English but they are very expensive.
gdańszczanin  Feb 19, 10, 12:08    #20
They are approximately 25% of the cost of equivalent studies in the USA, before even factoring in the lower cost of living. As for a Polish degree being seen as second-tier, while that may be true of some employers in the USA (a country without a health care system, only a health care industry where differences between institutions, not to mention cities and states, can be staggering) this certainly doesn't reflect the experience of many people I have spoken to, young and old, who have graduated from both English and Polish medical programs and are practicing doctors in Europe, Canada and the US


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llinkenThreads: -
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Joined: Oct 13, 10 ♀ 		 Oct 13, 10, 03:00    #21
My question is simply how difficult it is to get accepted into a school like the Jagellonian University Medical College. Can anyone share their experience?
My GPA is reasonable but I am a "mature" student and my first try at the MCAT was not impressive, unless you count 12 of my 24 score in verbal as impressive!
Thank you in advance,

Lisa


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