Minimum basic salary in Poland

AmitThreads: 2 Posts: 5 Joined: Apr 13, 10 ♂	Jun 2, 10, 18:59 #1
Help Help Help Any body can tell me what is minimum salary for labor per day in Poland.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 2, 10, 19:03 #2
Amit: Any body can tell me what is minimum salary for labor per day in Poland. How long is a day? This may help: Polish minimum wage: 1,317 Polish złotych per month 2010-01-01

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 2, 10, 20:34 #3
Amit: Any body can tell me what is minimum salary for labor per day in Poland. What they say you get and what they actually pay you is also two different things. Seriously - why are you trying to come to Poland? There's nothing here for you!

Bendude316Threads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: May 30, 10 ♂	Jun 2, 10, 21:07 #4
do you work for polish immigration or something ? why are you so against people comming to Poland ? granted some people are not looking at things realistically but you are just a bit of a tosser arn't you ?

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jun 2, 10, 21:09 #5
I find it amusing how so many Indians post on these forums hoping to get employed by someone. Do Indians tend to be naive?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Jun 2, 10, 21:11 #6
Miguel Colombia: Do Indians tend to be naive? I would imagine some are desperate rather than naive. And by the word "some", I mean it in relation to the population of India.

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jun 2, 10, 21:19 #7
SeanBM: I would imagine some are desperate rather than naive. And by the word "some", I mean it in relation to the population of India. Yeah, but I can´t help to notice the silliness of their posts. Whether they are looking for a woman or for a job, they ALL Sound the same: Desperate.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Jun 2, 10, 21:22 #8
Just over 2 Euro an Hour(4 times lower than Ireland). Thats why couples get 50 year mortgages and live on lettuce and milk until they get so old that their kids continue their mortgage..A real utopian society.

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Jun 2, 10, 22:05 #9

Bendude316:

why are you so against people comming to Poland ?

Because quite a few of them don't have a clue what it's like here. They assume that there will be work for them, they assume that they'll be wanted - and very often, they end up sitting inside most of the time with no money because they didn't have something that was wanted in the country.

Just look at all the foreigners in Krakow trying to give English "lessons" for 25zl an hour!

Miguel Colombia:

Do Indians tend to be naive?

They tend to be very immature from what I know. Many of them simply cannot handle cold facts - I knew one with an alcohol problem who went mental when he was sacked - for drinking himself stupid after hours!

milky:

Thats why couples get 50 year mortgages and live on lettuce and milk until they get so old that their kids continue their mortgage..A real utopian society.

Is that what it's like when you don't work in Krakow, leaving it all to your badly educated, bible bashing wife while you sit at home and pretend to be an internet "entrepreneur" who doesn't even pay taxes in Poland? I guess checking adult profiles doesn't pay very well...

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Edited by: milky Jun 2, 10, 23:18 #10
delphiandomine: Is that what it's like when you don't work in Krakow, leaving it all to your badly educated, bible bashing wife while you sit at home and pretend to be an internet "entrepreneur" who doesn't even pay taxes in Poland? I guess checking adult profiles doesn't pay very well... are you talking to me in some coded message or what?? or are you just mental?

Jacus AucampThreads: 7 Posts: 14 Joined: Feb 14, 12 ♂	Feb 18, 12, 18:23 #11
Merged: What is the minimum salary in Poland Hay everyone.... Can anybody tell me what the average salary is in Poland ( cities like krakow or warsaw) please. Thanks

Jacus AucampThreads: 7 Posts: 14 Joined: Feb 14, 12 ♂	Feb 18, 12, 18:25 #12
Merged: What's the average salary in Poland cities? Hay everyone.... Can anybody tell me what the average salary is in Poland ( cities like krakow or warsaw) please. Thanks

cmsThreads: 6 Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 4, 09 ♂	Feb 18, 12, 18:36 #13
In Warsaw about 5500 gross but the median is much lower In krakow about 4500 gross at a guess. Check the gus website for exact figures, there was a long article about it in gazeta wyborcza last week as well

terriThreads: 1 Posts: 385 Joined: May 3, 09 ♀	Feb 18, 12, 19:11 #14
Basic salary - depend on the type of job but...whatever your employer is willing to pay you.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Edited by: milky Feb 18, 12, 19:32 #15
About 28000 zloty a year, before tax,,is the average industrial wage...,,minumum is 8 zloty/ 2 euro an hour. Closer to 18000 in the east. http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/poland-celebrates-good-for- lodz-bad-for-ireland-1596376.html

sa11yThreads: 4 Posts: 191 Joined: Dec 12, 11 ♀	Feb 18, 12, 20:09 #16
Milky, i think you have very skew view of Poland. Stop judging by the Poles in Ireland, there ia a reason why they left. Doesn't mean everyone does as bad as them.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Feb 19, 12, 11:32 #17
sa11y: skew view of Poland example please?? sa11y: Stop judging by the Poles in Ireland, there ia a reason why they left. Doesn't mean everyone does as bad as them. memmememe what did I say.

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Feb 19, 12, 12:24 #18

Ok, i will be more specific - you have skew view on wages in Poland . In your previous post you said that average salary is 28 000 Pln before tax, which is not true. Judging Poland through the eyes of Poles in Irenand? I refer to your view on Poland which is clearly affected by view of Poles that left Poland for better life (nothing wrong with that). They are simply not a representative group of Polish society, there are plenty Poles that stayed in Poland and are not thinking of leaving.

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Edited by: noreenb Feb 19, 12, 12:50 #19
Minimum salary? I got 7 hundrets plus something and I had a chance to get "premia uznaniowa": around 200 zl. It was my first salary, a 1000 brutto after being promoted in a very good and rich Advertasing Agency. Really. Means, I was a proof-reader, not a model, hehe.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 19, 12, 13:07 #20
milky: About 28000 zloty a year, before tax,,is the average industrial wage Poor show, milky. The average wage is now nearing 45000 a year. Don't mistake lazy peasants in villages with normal people.

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Feb 19, 12, 13:42 #21
"Don't mistake lazy peasants in villages with normal people." This is offensive for them. Try to make potatoes to grow. I wil come for chips to you.

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Edited by: ladykangaroo Feb 19, 12, 13:53 #22

delphiandomine:

Don't mistake lazy peasants in villages with normal people.

This is wrong on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to start.

Here: average salary in Poland according to GUS research:
http://www.mowimyjak.pl/praca-i-kariera/finanse-i-biznes/ile-wynosi-sr ednia-pensja-w-polsce,104_37376.html
(details and Polish-English version: http://www.stat.gov.pl/cps/rde/xbcr/gus/PUBL_pw_zatrudnienie_wynagrodz enia_I-III_kw_2011.pdf )
4,015 zł (gross).
Put it here:
http://www.infor.pl/kalkulatory/wynagrodzenia.html
...and you get around 2,860zł take-home pay.

Also, as Mr Sadowski from Adam Smith Centre points out: "average salary is an optical illusion [...] it's influenced by the big agglomerations where directors of big companies earn tens of thousands zloty'.

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Feb 19, 12, 13:56 #23

ladykangaroo:

4,0715 zł (gross).

Even higher than I thought then - nearly 50k a year.

ladykangaroo:

Also, as Mr Sadowski from Adam Smith Centre points out: "average salary is an optical illusion [...] it's influenced by the big agglomerations where directors of big companies earn tens of thousands zloty'.

It's also dragged down by many peasants in villages who live off small parcels of land - I'm pretty certain this is why Poland appears (on paper) to be far poorer than the Czech Republic despite living standards being clearly higher in Warsaw than Prague, etc.

ladykangaroo:

...and you get around 2,860zł take-home pay.

Not bad. A couple both earning average wage can easily afford decent accommodation in a Polish city by those figures.

ladykangarooThreads: - Posts: 187 Joined: Jan 2, 09 ♀	Edited by: ladykangaroo Feb 19, 12, 13:57 #24
delphiandomine: A couple both earning average wage ...is not average at all. They are the lucky ones. Have you ever heard the term "Generation 1200"? delphiandomine: It's also dragged down by many peasants in villages who live off small parcels of land Yes. That small parcel is what lets them survive in a region where there is no work in 100km radius. But of course it's them who are "lazy".

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Edited by: delphiandomine Feb 19, 12, 14:01 #25

ladykangaroo:

...is not average at all. They are the lucky ones.

Lucky? What's lucky about working hard and achieving something for yourself? Instead of taking your kids out of school to work on some crappy "business" like what frequently happens in villages, getting them educated is by far the more sensible approach.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the hardest working people I know (usually the ones who went for work experience during university rather than nice holidays) are also the richest.

Incidentally, I know plenty of people earning more than average. All of them have one thing in common - they worked hard for it and didn't sit around blaming everyone else.

ladykangaroo:

Have you ever heard the term "Generation 1200"?

Why should someone who turns up at exactly 7am, leaves at exactly 3pm and who does nothing to improve themselves get any more?

ladykangaroo:

Yes. That small parcel is what lets them survive in a region where there is no work in 100km radius.

No, that small parcel is what keeps them peasants. If these farms were bigger and more productive, they would have meaningful employment and everyone would be better for it.

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Edited by: JonnyM Feb 19, 12, 14:02 #26

noreenb:

Try to make potatoes to grow.

Easy enough - any of us can do it.

delphiandomine:

's also dragged down by many peasants in villages who live off small parcels of land

Pretty well. The equivalent of Chavs in the UK in many cases.People who for decades steadfastly refused jobs in nearby towns because they'd have to get up on time and stay sober.

delphiandomine:

Not bad. A couple both earning average wage can easily afford decent accommodation in a Polish city by those figures.

A lot of people live on that and manage holidays, cars etc.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Feb 19, 12, 14:04 #27

JonnyM:

Pretty well. The equivalent of Chavs in the UK in many cases.People who for decades steadfastly refused jobs in nearby towns.

Indeed. I'm almost certain that if you opened up a factory in many of these villages, they wouldn't take the jobs anyway - they wouldn't want to work to someone else's standards and ways. How often do you read and hear about hungry children in villages - it's all too often the result of neglect rather than actual poverty.

It's interesting to note that despite unemployment being higher in the East (and so - wages should be lower) - new factories are opening in the West, not the East. Could it be something to do with mentality?

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Feb 19, 12, 14:06 #28
JonnyM: Easy enough - any of us can do it. Fiddly job picking out the Colorado beetles, though. My father-in-law tells me the CIA dropped them. Don't know how he knows this, but as they dropped Agent Orange he could be right. Off to the lounge with me.

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Edited by: JonnyM Feb 19, 12, 14:08 #29

delphiandomine:

Indeed. I'm almost certain that if you opened up a factory in many of these villages, they wouldn't take the jobs anyway - they wouldn't want to work to someone else's standards and ways.

Some villagers up near Szczecin burnt down a veg processing plant on a former PGR. Why? Because the owners banned them for health and safety reasons from drinking vodka near the machinery. They'd modernised the workers' flats, increased salaries but the Neds said they didn't care about that.

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Edited by: ladykangaroo Feb 19, 12, 14:12 #30

delphiandomine:

Instead of taking your kids out of school to work on some crappy "business" like what frequently happens in villages

I think you think of 19th century England. Or maybe 1930s in US.

The rest is just simplistic interpretation bearing all marks of the lovely attitute "you are poor and it's your fault" and being completely detached from reality.

delphiandomine:

I'm almost certain that if you opened up a factory in many of these villages

Ah, more presumptions based on nothing.

As for opening factories in the West... look at the map and communication links. Roads, rail tracks, airports etc.

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