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delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Feb 20, 12, 07:32    #61
pip:
but there are many people that I have come across that just want a 9 to 5 park your brain kind of job.


And they want to paid handsomely for it, too. They don't want to have to work hard (and god forbid, some unsociable hours/overtime) - but they want all the benefits. And they complain like hell when employers (already unimpressed with their lack of work ethic) deny them the 2nd of May off, for instance.

pip:
why should somebody straight out of school make that much money. nobody, anywhere in the world, makes a huge salary straight out of school. It takes time, dedication and experience. It takes a willingness to resign from a holiday the first few years in order to prove oneself and work the way up the corporate ladder. That is just the way it goes.


No no no. They want it NOW.

I've only ever met one person who was rising through the corporate ranks and only working 40 hours a week. The guy is a machine at work, getting everything done and more - but crucially, he doesn't mess around at work. No messing around with "second breakfast" or taking odd days off to give him long holidays - but he only works 40 hours and that's it. And he's respected for it - he doesn't come up with excuses for not doing something.

Poland doesn't have class barriers or shady interviews to gain entrance to the best universities - it's a very open society. It's there if you want it - there's no such thing as "your face doesn't fit", and no-one is particularly bothered if someone comes from the village or the city - it's all about the person, not their background. That's why there's absolutely no excuse for someone not to do something with themselves - and if they were too stupid to do anything else with themselves, they have no-one to blame but themselves.

Poland seems to be very like America in this respect to me. You want a high salary? Go out there and get it.
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Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀ 		 Feb 20, 12, 07:44    #62
delphiandomine:
Poland seems to be very like America in this respect to me. You want a high salary? Go out there and get it.


I agree. I can use my husband as an example or any of his friends. For the first three years we lived in Warsaw we didn't take any holidays- just xmas, easter. Fast forward 8 years later and my husband goes into work when he wants and sets his own hours. but it didn't come easily.
cmsThreads: 6
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Joined: Sep 4, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 20, 12, 09:10    #63
ifor bach

No, despite the ridicule, she was more or less correct.

Minimum wage is 1.405. Hours per week is 38, there are 4,5 weeks in a month. I think the typical number of hours is 162.

That makes PLN 8,67 gross. Take off deductions and its PLN 6,72 per hour. A supermarket cashier in a soft labour market like Szczecin would not earn more than about 10% above the minumum. I dont think all of those people are lazy, some of them just have lower academic abilities and to a bunch of unpaid overtime probably wouldnt get them much more in life than a pat on the back and a food hamper at christmas.


The minimum wage has just gone up by about 6% though.

Comparing that to an accounting clerk in Poznan does not make sense - for a start 6000 cost to company is 5000 gross and presumably that is for someone with a bit of English ability. That is about right in a town where you are competing with 4 or 5 big outsource centres, each of which might employ 100 such clerks.
ifor bachThreads: 7
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Joined: Feb 20, 12 ♂ 		 Feb 20, 12, 10:32    #64
cms:
No, despite the ridicule, she was more or less correct.

Minimum wage is 1.405. Hours per week is 38, there are 4,5 weeks in a month. I think the typical number of hours is 162.

That makes PLN 8,67 gross. Take off deductions and its PLN 6,72 per hour. A supermarket cashier in a soft labour market like Szczecin would not earn more than about 10% above the minumum. I dont think all of those people are lazy, some of them just have lower academic abilities and to a bunch of unpaid overtime probably wouldnt get them much more in life than a pat on the back and a food hamper at christmas.


Thanks.

Remember that the salaries quoted in the srticle are 'netto' rather than 'brutto'.
HarryThreads: 62
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cms:
Minimum wage is 1.405. Hours per week is 38, there are 4,5 weeks in a month. I think the typical number of hours is 162.

No. There are 52 weeks in the year, five working days per week, so 260 working days per year. From that subtract 26 days' holiday (234). Then there are 12 days which are national holidays, let's say nine of which are on working days (225). And then the woman probably has 1.5 children and thus 2 'children days' per child per year (222 days). That makes 18.5 working days per month. Multiply that by seven hours and 45 minutes and one gets 143 hours per month.

cms:
Minimum wage is 1.405.

Isn't minimum wage now 1,500zl?

cms:
A supermarket cashier in a soft labour market like Szczecin would not earn more than about 10% above the minumum.

So she's on, by your guess, 1,650zl per month and working, as shown above, 143 hours per month. That gives an hourly rate of 11.54zl, which is pretty much double what the article claims.
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Joined: Jan 2, 09 ♀ 		 Feb 20, 12, 15:26    #66
Harry:
and working, as shown above, 143 hours per month

...which would be true if she had a proper contract, paid holidays and worked only 7h 45min daily.
Biedronka's cashiers would be probably delighted to work on similar basis.
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Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀ 		Edited by: pip  Feb 20, 12, 16:52    #67
somebody posted not too long ago about an advert for cashiers at Biedronka and the pay was something like 1800 to 2200---I can't remember exactly, maybe somebody else does.

I found a link for 2007 and the pay was 1400 pln per month. no doubt it is more now.


http://grupy-dyskusyjne.money.pl/biedronka;-;1400zl;brutto,watek,58579 3.html
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1400 gross which then would be about 975 nett.

As for the recent ad for1,800-2,200 (which, again, is not even 1,600 taken home)... I wouldn't be too surprised. After the working conditions in Biedronka became common knowledge no one on their right mind would agree to work 12-hour shifts and unpaid overtimes for 975zł any longer.
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ladykangaroo:
After the working conditions in Biedronka became common knowledge no one on their right mind would agree to work 12-hour shifts and unpaid overtimes for 975zł any longer.

That was years ago; things have improved. What upset me was their decision to lock their rubbish bins/dumpsters, which they regularly fill with good food that is just outside its sell-by date. Staff used to put this stuff on top of the bins so the poor could collect it.
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teflcat:
things have improved

ladykangaroo:
After the working conditions in Biedronka became common knowledge

:)
teflcatThreads: 6
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I'm not trying to defend them. In fact I boycotted them for four years. That showed 'em.
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teflcat:
That showed 'em.

:D
I hope they learn from their mistakes :D
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http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/90794,Youth-unemployment-reaches-60 -percent-in-Polish-regions

Some useful for information for those with not fluent in Polish
milkyThreads: 10
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Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: milky  Mar 10, 12, 17:46    #74
So average salary:

Central Statistical Office of Poland (GUS) provided in 2009 that 65,35% of Polish wages are below Polish avarage wage and this is a fact.

The most common wage was 2.091,35 (about 700USD)

Only 10% earned more than 5.376,34 PLN (1792 USD)

only 34,65% employees had avarage wages (3.232,07)(1077USD)

All data quoted are gross monthly wages.

READ MORE IN POLISH:


http://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Dwie-trzecie-...
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milky:
in 2009 that 65,35% of Polish wages are below Polish avarage wage

And what percentage live outside big cities?
milkyThreads: 10
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Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀ 		 Mar 10, 12, 18:15    #76
what's that got to do with anything!!
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milky:
Central Statistical Office of Poland (GUS) provided in 2009 that 65,35% of Polish wages are below Polish avarage wage and this is a fact.


Most of the people in Italy, driving luxury cars and owning yachts declare a yearly salary of under 20,000 euro's according to the Italian government.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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milky:
All data quoted are gross monthly wages.


You don't work here, so what you don't realise is that the lower the wage and the more rural the area, the more potential for "black" earnings.

A planning officer in a rural gmina might only earn 2500zl gross. But what does she take in backhanders?
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delphiandomine:
You don't work here, so what you don't realise is that the lower the wage and the more rural the area, the more potential for "black" earnings.

A planning officer in a rural gmina might only earn 2500zl gross. But what does she take in backhanders?

Link please.
I provided facts,,you are giving an opinion.
cmsThreads: 6
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There are fairly reliable statistics on the grey economy in poland - world bank estimates 29 percent of GDP, a recent AT Kearney study estimates 26 percent.

However grey economy is more in cities than in rural areas - concentrated in building trades, hospitality trade.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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cms:
There are fairly reliable statistics on the grey economy in poland - world bank estimates 29 percent of GDP, a recent AT Kearney study estimates 26 percent.


Sounds about right.

cms:
However grey economy is more in cities than in rural areas - concentrated in building trades, hospitality trade.


Plenty of it in rural areas too - I remember the sheer bafflement on the face of one rural "agroturstyka" owner when I asked him for a faktura. Not to mention the endless minibus services in areas such as Bieszczady where no tickets are given.

And of course, they would never be able to gain reliable information on stuff such as rural office workers taking bribes.
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Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: milky  Mar 10, 12, 19:44    #82
Well!! what's social welfare a month 200 euro...
These people obviously need to work in the black economy to afford food.
As for full time workers with families..what time have they to avail of the black economy?? Unlike Ireland where the majority of the unemployed(on a 1000 euro a month) do mixers(cash in hand) and bring their wages above the level of actual full time workers.
I know about Poles working for more than is on their contract,but, still doesn't mean they earn more than the average. Minimum wage plus 200 zloty is still sh1t money.
SO my info is not to be dismissed
average salary:

Central Statistical Office of Poland (GUS) provided in 2009 that 65,35% of Polish wages are below Polish avarage wage and this is a fact.

The most common wage was 2.091,35 (about 700USD)

Only 10% earned more than 5.376,34 PLN (1792 USD)

only 34,65% employees had avarage wages (3.232,07)(1077USD)

All data quoted are gross monthly wages.
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Joined: Sep 11, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 10, 12, 23:18    #83
milky:
These people obviously need to work in the black economy to afford food.


Must be the same reason why British MP's fiddle their expenses. They need to buy food. I suppose greed does not enter into it.
Same reason that a lot of Italians drive luxury cars and have yachts while declaring a yearly salary under 20,000 euros, they need to buy food and pay their rents.

OK with that Mods?
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Avalon:
Must be the same reason why British MP's fiddle their expenses. They need to buy food. I suppose greed does not enter into it.
Same reason that a lot of Italians drive luxury cars and have yachts while declaring a yearly salary under 20,000 euros, they need to buy food and pay their rents.

OK with that Mods?

No idea what you're talking about man.
I just said
Well!! what's social welfare a month 200 euro...
These people(unemployed Poles) obviously need to work in the black economy to afford food.
As for full time workers with families..what time have they to avail of the black economy?? Unlike Ireland where the majority of the unemployed(on a 1000 euro a month) do mixers(cash in hand) and bring their wages above the level of actual full time workers.
I know about Poles working for more than is on their contract,but, still doesn't mean they earn more than the average. Minimum wage plus 200 zloty is still sh1t money.
SO my info is not to be dismissed
average salary:

Central Statistical Office of Poland (GUS) provided in 2009 that 65,35% of Polish wages are below Polish avarage wage and this is a fact.

The most common wage was 2.091,35 (about 700USD)

Only 10% earned more than 5.376,34 PLN (1792 USD)

only 34,65% employees had avarage wages (3.232,07)(1077USD)

All data quoted are gross monthly wages.
Avalon is on your ignore list. [+]
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sasam  Mar 23, 12, 21:10    #85
in sweden people want 6 hour daays,cooking for your children is a stupid progressive idea i guess,,long live capitalism,and the american system with 6 million in jail and 4 million living on the street.

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