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rybnikThreads: 29
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Joined: Jan 16, 11  Pictures: 4 ♂ 		Edited by: rybnik  Dec 21, 11, 02:48    #31
delphiandomine:
I don't mean to be nasty to him, but this is the kind of thing that can destroy relationships. Babcia knows her way and doesn't want to change from it, but he knows it's utter nonsense - but he can't say anything to Babcia because she's giving them a place to stay. So - human nature - he gets into a row with his wife, and his wife refuses to say anything to her mother - because it's her mother.

It can even be as simple as what the child eats - we're told that salt is a big no-no, but Poles throw it in food by the bucketload. Father gets annoyed that Babcia is feeding the kid salt-laden food, but the mother won't say anything because "it tastes better and never hurt me". Again - big row.

I lived this scenerio myself for 4 years. I got through it unscathed, so will our OP. Tomjustyna, just stay positive. Don't sweat the small stuff. Let Babcia have her way. WHO CARES! At the end of the day (and everyday until you die) YOU are the dad. Not even the all-powerful Babcia can match that. Relax and enjoy the fact that your child is surrounded by so much love and attention :)
rybnikThreads: 29
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Joined: Jan 16, 11  Pictures: 4 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 02:59    #32
rozumiemnic:
all true DD

No it's not!
delphiandomine:
take one piece of advice from me. Never trust anyone in Poland until you know them well, not even your own in-laws

Ludicrous! I had wonderful in-laws; I trusted them completely. It was their daughter I shouldn't have trusted ;)
MeatheadThreads: 3
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Joined: Jun 3, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 05:51    #33
rybnik:
Kudos to you! I wish more people felt like that where I'm from.


People from where you are from are unemployed simply because they've outsourced jobs to China for cheap labor and than they wonder why people are unemployed. The fact is, everyone is on the government payroll. Corporations get government contracts, doctors receive medicare payments, it's all from the same pot. In the USofA everyone's on welfare.
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Joined: Jun 3, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 06:03    #34
I'd quite like to live in Switzerland and take home 100-200CHF an hour for classes

This sounds like a grand idea. If you're going to move to the continent why not find a place where the average salary (40k-50k CHF) is a heck of a lot higher than where your from? Or what about the Scandanavian countries (Denmark, Norway, Sweden)? These countries have low unemployment and high salaries.
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Joined: Jun 3, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 06:47    #35
Tomjustyna, here ya go: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/en/home.html
WedleThreads: 24
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Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: Wedle  Dec 21, 11, 09:47    #36
delphiandomine:
See - I don't mean to be nasty to him, but this is the kind of thing that can destroy relationships


There always has to be a balance of opinion, DD shoots from the hip, some may see it as condescending others see it as constructive. At least Tom will be better prepared now.
Whatever your decision Tom, all the best for you and your family.
StuThreads: 27
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Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 11:24    #37
Okay ... hopefully my wife doesn't read this, but here's my two pennies worth.

I moved here on June 1st, also because the missus wanted to be close to her family and friends again. I gave up a career as a Lt.Col. and now work as a Sr. Project Manager in Wroclaw. In the evenings I also teach languages, mainly Dutch (there is a Dutch faculty at the university here), German and some French. I sold my house in the Netherlands, so I have nothing to go back to.

Believe me, I would NEVER EVER do it again. Maybe in my case it is a bit different, cause I not only had to adapt to living in a country which is completely different than the Netherlands, but also because I am having to adapt to civilian life. Don't, under any circumstance, give up everything YOU have. It's a recipe for disaster, in my opinion. One of the partners will have his or her way, the other one is left without anything. I don't have to remind you what happens if things go haywire, and you are left on your own in a country where you don't know the lingo and you are pretty much on your own.

Well ... that's just my opinion. Having said that, tomjustyna, all the best to you both. Hope for you it works out, no matter which decision you make in the end.
rozumiemnicThreads: 4
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Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: rozumiemnic  Dec 21, 11, 12:05    #38
Stu:
Believe me, I would NEVER EVER do it again. Maybe in my case it is a bit different, cause I not only had to adapt to living in a country which is completely different than the Netherlands, but also because I am having to adapt to civilian life.

it must have been difficult for you Stu, but then it's only been 6 months, it's no time at all really. Maybe you will feel different in another 6 months or so?
rybnik:
rozumiemnic: all true DD
No it's not!

sorry rybnik but from my experience I would not trust a Polish in law as far as I could throw them.....maybe that is just in laws in genearl?
tabascorez_2302Threads: 1
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Joined: Dec 19, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 15:11    #39
Well, mate! What I can say is that do whatever you think is the best for you and your family. Because you know your situation whereas none of us knows anything about.

My best wishes with you and your family!
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Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 15:20    #40
wielki pan:
Even people who put up posts on this forum lol, Mr D the gentleman has nothing now, so whether he lives in Ireland or Poland it makes no difference? He is doing what you did in moving to Poland, another case of the young gentlemen with no means seeking to make his fortunes abroad!!


The time for foreigners making a fortune off the back of Poland has long gone. If you bring something to Poland or have very deep pockets, then it is possible to make a good living. Poland is cheap today for those who earn in Euro or now Dollars, earning in PLN is like watching your disposable diminish week by week. I personally like Poland and have a good life, for people like Tom - you must remind them it is 2011 not 2000. You have guys on PF that know the English language business inside out, they survive only because they have established a solid database.
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 16:44    #41
If you do decide to go for it, here are a few things that might keep you sane. The cinema's in the main shopping center in Katowice show some films(maybe most of them) in English with Polish subtitle's.

RTE now stream all of the Irish football on line, also the GAA matches.

If you work hard, and take on extra lessons yourself, then maybe you make a bit of money.

Can I ask if you are qualified in anything, if not, could you study for ACCA exams in Poland. English teaching would be okay for a few years, but it would help you to have a plan to have a job that you like instead of just for the money.

I'am in Dublin at the moment, if you want to meet and have a chat about life in Poland for a irish guy let me know.
welshguyinpolaThreads: 32
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Joined: Jan 9, 08 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 18:46    #42
I am in contact with a former member of this site. He is English and had a Polish wife. Thye had a kid but his MIL interfered so much tha it ended in divorce. He has to stay here now just to be able to see his son. Think before u move here
tomjustynaThreads: 4
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Joined: Dec 20, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:01    #43
I want to thank everyone for their comments good and bad both sides expressing views which i take on board.
I will still be going after christmas as looking at things here I will take a chance on poland, I have nothing to lose as I have nothing here.

Many thanks again to you all.
Please continue to comment.

Happy Christmas to you all.
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:20    #44
Hey maybe you should bring some guinness with you to break the ice. Any way the best of luck, Iam in Katowice in Apirl and Krakow about every month if you want to meet for a pint and talk english for a change let me know.

Just do not buy a fiat 127, its scary to drive. Happy christmas to you and hopefully a great new year in a new country. I will be moving to Krakow maybe in two months time.
tomjustynaThreads: 4
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irishguy
thanks that would be great
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:33    #46
It will prob be around the 10th or 13th of April that I will be katowice, so you can pm me around then to see exactly what date i will be there. I normally only spend 2 days in katowice and then move on to Krakow.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Dec 21, 11, 23:33    #47
Meathead:
This sounds like a grand idea. If you're going to move to the continent why not find a place where the average salary (40k-50k CHF) is a heck of a lot higher than where your from? Or what about the Scandanavian countries (Denmark, Norway, Sweden)? These countries have low unemployment and high salaries.


Well - one reason to choose Poland is that there is much more opportunity here than elsewhere.

I'm head of an English department here - it wouldn't have happened so quickly in Switzerland or the Scandinavian countries. I value position more than money - so for me, Poland makes sense now.

Wedle:
You have guys on PF that know the English language business inside out, they survive only because they have established a solid database.


Or got lucky (I make no bones about it - my current job was through being in the right place at the right time doing the right thing for the right people).

irishguy11:
Can I ask if you are qualified in anything, if not, could you study for ACCA exams in Poland. English teaching would be okay for a few years, but it would help you to have a plan to have a job that you like instead of just for the money.


Where's cms? Would doing ACCA without working in the job actually be worth anything?

If so, I wouldn't mind trying it just for something different to do. I did quite a few modules on finance in the past, and the past papers don't look too difficult.
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:37    #48
Hi Delph, I mentioned ACCA because a number of Poles including my wife studied ACCA over here in Ireland and got very good jobs with it in Ireland and then Poland. I'am not sure what cms is.
tomjustynaThreads: 4
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Joined: Dec 20, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:44    #49
hey Delph, Thanks for your comments I take onboard what everyone says, I would never be the type of person to preach what is right and what is not.
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 11, 23:48    #50
I was just saying that studying ACCA while doing something else would give you better prospects. You do not need to work in accounts to do the ACCA, but to get fully qualified you do need to have 3 years of work in accounts.
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delphiandomine:
Well - one reason to choose Poland is that there is much more opportunity here than elsewhere.

I'm head of an English department here - it wouldn't have happened so quickly in Switzerland or the Scandinavian countries. I value position more than money - so for me, Poland makes sense now.


When I posted I wasn't thinking of teaching English, I was thinking of many other jobs that he may qualify for that will pay more than in Poland. I've moved about a half a dozen times and every time you do you have to establish yourself all over again, and it takes time, money and effort. IMO if you're going to move and go through the all this you might as well pick somewhere that has the highest chance of rewards in terms of financial security and a quality of life. Besides the quality of life issues, the Scandinavian languages would probably be the easiest to learn for a native English speaker, IMO something he needs to think about. The language issue would be easiest in Scandinavia but
Switzerland is probably more accustomed dealing with immigrants. Here's more links he should think about before making his move: http://www.nav.no/English, http://www.immi.se/migration/control.htm, http://www.ci-is.com/
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Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: Wedle  Dec 22, 11, 08:21    #52
tomjustyna:
i don't want my kid to see me as a lay about taking from the state


Tom, taking a course or re education is not sitting on the dole.

tomjustyna:
my father inlaw is a cop so i would trust his word


I don't know your FIL and would not question his integrity, although anyone who lives in Poland will have more than a handful of stories to tell you about bent cops here, it is considered quite the norm.
tabascorez_2302Threads: 1
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Joined: Dec 19, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 11, 09:08    #53
irishguy11:
Can I ask if you are qualified in anything, if not, could you study for ACCA exams in Poland. English teaching would be okay for a few years, but it would help you to have a plan to have a job that you like instead of just for the money.



Do they actually teach ACCA in English down there mate????
irishguy11Threads: 14
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Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 11, 10:19    #54
if you can not find a class in english, you can do online/distant learning which is what I done.tyr bpp.com or just google it
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Meathead:
IMO if you're going to move and go through the all this you might as well pick somewhere that has the highest chance of rewards in terms of financial security and a quality of life. Besides the quality of life issues, the Scandinavian languages would probably be the easiest to learn for a native English speaker, IMO something he needs to think about. The language issue would be easiest in Scandinavia but
Switzerland is probably more accustomed dealing with immigrants.


He doesn't have a choice - his wife wants back and that's that.

Don't forget that while you can earn very well in those countries, the cost of living is also astronomical.
hythornThreads: 6
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Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 11, 10:39    #56
delphiandomine:
Don't forget that while you can earn very well in those countries, the cost of living is also astronomical.


some friends came back from Norway
the minimum wage is 60 zlots per hour

I found it pricey but not astronomical when I used to go to Sweden on business
beer was unbelieveably expensive 15 zlots for a tinny from a supermarket and 40 zlots for a 400 ml beer in a nightclub
however I am not sure if that is such a bad thing. less A&E admissions, more tax revenue for the government, less liver failure blah, blah, blah

the price of houses is dirt cheap and far less than in Poland I seem to remember when watching one of those property porn shows prior to the crash
tomjustynaThreads: 4
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Wedle
i know cops corrupt as ****, thats well known
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delphiandomine:
He doesn't have a choice - his wife wants back and that's that.

Don't forget that while you can earn very well in those countries, the cost of living is also astronomical.


Delph, i don't disagree with you (but excluding the wife's wishes of course). You're right if one is an entrepreneur and has a bit of stash and has an idea for a business, I would choose an emerging market like Poland. But if one is looking for "A JOB" which is how it sounds with our current subject, than one should look to a developed market economy such as the ones i mentioned. Heck I should've included Australia and Canada.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Dec 23, 11, 10:11    #59
Meathead:
Delph, i don't disagree with you (but excluding the wife's wishes of course). You're right if one is an entrepreneur and has a bit of stash and has an idea for a business, I would choose an emerging market like Poland. But if one is looking for "A JOB" which is how it sounds with our current subject, than one should look to a developed market economy such as the ones i mentioned. Heck I should've included Australia and Canada.


Oh, without a doubt.

Poland is fine if you're starting a career, because you can be promoted far quicker here - but I wouldn't move here "with baggage" so to speak, with the pressure of finding something and so on.

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