Why Polish employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals?

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Feb 25, 08, 03:41 #1

I would like to ask for the opinion of polish people about the fact about polish employees?

Why in Poland, especially in Warsaw usually a polish employee is afraid of hiring any foreign national? Comparing to other fact that there are lot of Poles who are working in GB and Ireland, to such extent that now Polish is considered to be the second language over there. Then why in their home country(Poland) its opposite?

Do you think that Polish people just forgot that how they found jobs in other countries or do you think theres another reason behind this? Whenever I talked about this to my fellow colleagues, almost everybody give me this reason that due to huge unemployment, polish employees prefer to give job to polish people, but do you think its true?

As far as I know the official unemployment rate which is given by the govt authorities differs from whats seen by economist in real economic situation. Do you agree with this statement or do you have other opinions about it or you see it from different angle ?

I know that an unemployment rate in Poland is big high but still if some foreign national is well educated, have experience knows polish language (to such extent that he can communicate and express him/her self in business environment as well as in everyday dealings ) but still after having all these qualities he is not being hired by any body :)

Don't you think that its a kind of discrimination against foreigners?

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 04:30 #2
as they say here if you not happy just leave ....

JabwawThreads: 11 Posts: 53 Joined: Jan 16, 08 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 04:35 #3
zion wrote: as they say here if you not happy just leave .... Well, I agree with your statement but this is not a right way to get rid of these kind of problems :) In sometime, in some way this question will be raised then what? Do you think it is wise enough to say " if you are not happy just leave......" ??

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Feb 25, 08, 05:47 #4

Jabwaw wrote:

fact that there are lot of Poles who are working in GB and Ireland, to such extent that now Polish is considered to be the second language

Not sure where you got that little gem from its not true!

Jabwaw wrote:

Don't you think that its a kind of discrimination against foreigners?

Let's not use the word discimination.....you can only really pull that kinda card in the UK, I dont think Poland gives a shite what foreigners think....Good on her!

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Feb 25, 08, 05:56 #5

Jabwaw
I agree with everything you have written. I can sympathise with all the points you make. Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that most Polish employers just don't like foreigners. I applied for a job which required perfect English as it involved travel to meetings in London, I didn't even get an interview and found out later that it was given to a Polish guy who could barely string two words together in English! I am British but also speak fluent Polish, it would appear that I could not even be considered for such a position. I think it can only be called 'institutional racism' on the part of the Poles. Hopefully this will be seriously addressed by the EU at some point as it truly is outrageous and discriminatory. Out of about 50 jobs I have applied for in Warsaw I have had one interview, not one of the others even bothered to write back. Simple enquiries about employment have also never amounted to anything. I wonder what would happen if they stopped employing Poles in the UK?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Feb 25, 08, 06:09 #6
There is strong feeling (in Poland) that Poles are the best possible workers. Some companies started to employ imigrants and I think it will take some time when other will folow them.

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Edited by: Kasz Feb 25, 08, 06:16 #7

Hi m8s, well i think its not so easy, im sure about one think there is no way to take problems with job as a dicrimination or somethin like that, its all about polish ppl, still most of 30-40+ yr old poland ppl dont know eng well enough and this is major point, and in dif way poland ppl still belive its rly hard to find someone from other country who can speak polish very well or atleast good enough to take some job... I live in Poznan in Poland near medical academy dormitory, this is rly big , bad looking edifice :P anyway there is alot of foreigners specialy from asia... many of those ppl living here after finising they study trying to find job in poland and as far as i know many of them can make it easyily, true not everyone and not in public hospitals, but in private surgery... this is example if u have some kind of speciality. In other way if u trying to get avarange job and u know polish language there is no problem with that im sure, our currency market, organizational,labour markets are clearly point to young ppl, and poland young ppl have no problems with discrimination, most of us know eng so there is no problem to work together... anyway im just trying to find some case in point and i can just say i never saw any employers in poland have some rly big hassle with finding job here. Ofc there is dif problem with getting job even for poland ppl cus our labour market suck... :P

and sry for my bad eng, im still working on it :P

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 06:17 #8
on my current trip to poland im noticing an increasing amount of failing businesses - people who have sunk huge amounts of money into ventures that obviously wouldnt work from the off set... its kinda worrying... has anyone else noticed this?

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Feb 25, 08, 06:22 #9

Lukasz wrote:

There is strong feeling (in Poland) that Poles are the best possible workers. Some companies started to employ imigrants and I think it will take some time when other will folow them.

Well m8 , i belive its not so bad, u have right if we talking about some factory workers, but if we talking about specialists its not true cus big comanions rly like to bring ppl from other countries cus of they exp, language etc

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Feb 25, 08, 06:24 #10

ShelleyS wrote:

Let's not use the word discimination.....you can only really pull that kinda card in the UK, I dont think Poland gives a shite what foreigners think....Good on her!

wow wow wow .......... I must say that reality is hard to digest and at some point you have to believe it wheather you want or not:) So lets agree with the reality we see. I know its hard but still you cant change the reality. Being a patriotic is on one side but accepting the facts are on other sides :)

finT wrote:

Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that most Polish employers just don't like foreigners.

Absolutely right I agree with you, even if i m working on contractual base but still I can feel the difference in certain situations :). Also now I think the proportion of Polish immigrant is getting less day by day as now there are different immigrants who are taking there place and are ready to work on lower prices. I think i near future most of Poles will come back home :)

Lukasz wrote:

There is strong feeling (in Poland) that Poles are the best possible workers. Some companies started to employ immigrants and I think it will take some time when other will follow them.

Agree with this, but sometimes you have to be flexible and have to think in rational way. No doubt Polish ppl are well educated, but still they shouldn't be such mean. They should remember that Britain's have given them the chance to work and to earn there livelihood so if somebody from another country wants to have such chance while living here then i suppose, this chance should be given to him without any " institutional racism ".

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Feb 25, 08, 06:26 #11

finT wrote:

Jabwaw
I agree with everything you have written. I can sympathise with all the points you make. Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that most Polish employers just don't like foreigners. I applied for a job which required perfect English as it involved travel to meetings in London, I didn't even get an interview and found out later that it was given to a Polish guy who could barely string two words together in English! I am British but also speak fluent Polish, it would appear that I could not even be considered for such a position. I think it can only be called 'institutional racism' on the part of the Poles. Hopefully this will be seriously addressed by the EU at some point as it truly is outrageous and discriminatory. Out of about 50 jobs I have applied for in Warsaw I have had one interview, not one of the others even bothered to write back. Simple enquiries about employment have also never amounted to anything. I wonder what would happen if they stopped employing Poles in the UK?

The same thing happens in that bastion of internationalism and European idealism, France. From what I've heard its easier to count the number of countries who have a genuine culture of liberalism in their employment policies (UK, Ireland, Spain etc) then those that dont.
In order for this policy to work the economy of the country involved needs to be as liberal and unrestricted as possible as the employer needs to have the right to hire and fire with a certain amount of ease. In Poland this isnt the case.

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Feb 25, 08, 06:40 #12

Jabwaw wrote:

Why in Poland, especially in Warsaw usually a polish employee is afraid of hiring any foreign national?

Unless you've got a good connection here it's very difficult to get a good job. Friends and acquaintances of the employer tend to have the best prospects even if they are least qualified. I think that is across the board too and not just specific to foreigners, it's 'Jobs for the Boys' as we say.

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 06:41 #13
Well I have a job !!!!!! Thank god only the strongest make in POland not a place for the weaks !!!

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Feb 25, 08, 06:47 #14

db1874 wrote:

Unless you've got a good connection here it's very difficult to get a good job. Friends and acquaintances of the employer tend to have the best prospects even if they are least qualified. I think that is across the board too and not just specific to foreigners, it's 'Jobs for the Boys' as we say.

Well, to some extent its true that its necessary to have a good connection or acquaintances in finding a job, but lets not exaggerate this. I agree that it can be a global issue but still i think in Poland its bit exaggerated which is not fair.

zion wrote:

Well I have a job !!!!!! Thank god only the strongest make in Poland not a place for the weaks !!!

I'm sorry to say but theres nothing to be happy off and to show off that you've got a job. Sometimes you have to think about fellow citizens. lets not behave like animals for heavens sake.

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Feb 25, 08, 06:52 #15

Jabwaw wrote:

Well, to some extent its true that its necessary to have a good connection or acquaintances in finding a job, but lets not exaggerate this. I agree that it can be a global issue but still i think in Poland its bit exaggerated which is not fair.

british friend of mine just started a company here with his polish wife - as soon as they announced it they were told - great... you can give so and so family member a job... so it definately exists

as it does in the uk

recent scandle involving corrupt politician, no?

outragous

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Feb 25, 08, 06:59 #16

BubbaWoo wrote:

british friend of mine just started a company here with his polish wife - as soon as they announced it they were told - great... you can give so and so family member a job... so it definately exists

as it does in the uk

recent scandle involving corrupt politician, no?

outragous

Completely true, but don't you think that sometime the chance has to be given to some another persons another then your family members??

If it would be some Asian country then it makes sense that business remains within the family as they believe of not letting there business come into hand of some person other then family. But here its different, Poland is part of Europe and full of traditions. On one hand poles are so hospitable when it comes to welcoming and on other hand....... isn't in modern world its called hypocrisies ???

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 07:03 #17
ok jabwaw you right will try to help . can you speak Anything else then English ? what are you skills where are work there lot of no Poles working here so will give you a push if you have the right set of skills

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 252 Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂	Edited by: db1874 Feb 25, 08, 07:05 #18
Jabwaw wrote: Completely true, but don't you think that sometime the chance has to be given to some another persons another then your family members?? My impression here is that jobs are kept within the family due to the complete lack of trust in employing a stranger.

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 07:07 #19
JAB are you from Paki ? Sorry mate but you are in for some hard time I do home you have some high IT skills on your CV ....

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Feb 25, 08, 07:13 #20

zion wrote:

JAB are you from Paki ?

Sorry mate but you are in for some hard time I do home you have some high IT skills on your CV ....

Yes, indeed I am from Pk, but does it change anything?

Also, I don't understand what the IT skills has to do with my CV ? In which context you are talking about?

Its not necessary to be an IT expert, as far as i m concern then i have enough IT knowledge, as needed for common operations and its enough :)

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Edited by: zion Feb 25, 08, 07:15 #21
I mean what is your area of work ? are you a doctor ? Nurse ? street cleaner ? did you marry a POlish girl that is why you here ? how good is your Polish how long have you been here ? wich area are you trying to get work are you ready to do any job ? KFC is hiring !!!

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Feb 25, 08, 07:21 #22

zion wrote:

I mean what is your area of work ? are you a doctor ? Nurse ? street cleaner ?
did you marry a POlish girl that is why you here ? how good is your Polish how long have you been here ? wich area are you trying to get work are you ready to do any job ?
KFC is hiring !!!

Thats clearly shows whats sort of skills you have .

I don't declare my personal things to anonymous people. May be you do !!!

jones101Threads: 1 Posts: 554 Joined: Jan 14, 08 ♂	Edited by: jones101 Feb 25, 08, 07:22 #23
Jabwaw the point Zion is making in a real jerkoff kind of way is that Poland is hard enough to get a good job in for Poles...foreigners (especially non-white ones) have a real hard time unless they have some very in demand skills that can't be found in a Pole. Most foreigners that work here in good jobs work for an international company that has operations here, not a Polish company. Good luck

JabwawThreads: 11 Posts: 53 Joined: Jan 16, 08 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 07:27 #24
jones101 wrote: Most foreigners that work here in good jobs work for an international company that has operations here, not a Polish company. Completely true, I think most of the foreigners who are working here are in some international companies not in Polish ones :)

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Edited by: zion Feb 25, 08, 07:29 #25
jones101 wrote: Most foreigners that work here in good jobs work for an international company that has operations here, not a Polish company. that is me baby !!!! and Dude as I said KFC maybe be a way to go for you becouse or you have some high skills like I do or you will have get dirty ...

JabwawThreads: 11 Posts: 53 Joined: Jan 16, 08 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 07:37 #26
zion wrote: that is me baby !!!! and Dude as I said KFC maybe be a way to go for you becouse or you have some high skills like I do or you will have get dirty ... NO COMMENTS, there is a saying that if you will throw the stone in dirty water it will make you dirty . so indeed you are right that i don't want myself to get dirty ;);)

zionThreads: 21 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 07:40 #27
then tell me what can you do and I may help you out brother .... if you have a Qualification and you dont have a job is not Poland something is wrong with you not with the place I got a job here and I dont even not this lingo .... maybe is becouse I am a good looking boy that helped ......

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Feb 25, 08, 08:01 #28

BubbaWoo wrote:

you can give so and so family member a job

How many asian business employ English people in the UK? family business.. No?

Jabwaw wrote:

Yes, indeed I am from Pk, but does it change anything

I would say yes, simply because you are not a member of the EU, employers dont have the hassle of sorting out visa for a European.

Jabwaw wrote:

wow wow wow .......... I must say that reality is hard to digest and at some point you have to believe it wheather you want or not:) So lets agree with the reality we see. I know its hard but still you cant change the reality. Being a patriotic is on one side but accepting the facts are on other sides :)

Unemployment was high, things are getting better, you think that they are going to employ none EU citizens before they will employ their own....thats the reality.

jones101Threads: 1 Posts: 554 Joined: Jan 14, 08 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 08:03 #29
If you are Pakistani find a Pakistani owned business here and see if you can appeal to their patriotic side.

JabwawThreads: 11 Posts: 53 Joined: Jan 16, 08 ♂	Feb 25, 08, 08:13 #30
jones101 wrote: If you are Pakistani find a Pakistani owned business here and see if you can appeal to their patriotic side. Indeed, im working and right now not planning to change anything. The question that was raised by me was just in general.

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